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Post  dogs don't lie on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 11:13 am

Freedom wrote:Is "Lian" supposedly a female name? I've never heard of it unless it's a dreadful spelling of Leanne.

Maybe it's "lying" as in telling porkies........

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Post  hesla on Wed 15 Feb 2017, 8:43 pm

Freedom wrote:Is "Lian" supposedly a female name? I've never heard of it unless it's a dreadful spelling of Leanne.

Maybe it's "lying" as in telling porkies........

I've heard Lian used as a shortened form of Gillian before
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Post  poster on Mon 27 Mar 2017, 9:57 am

Freedom wrote:Is "Lian" supposedly a female name? I've never heard of it unless it's a dreadful spelling of Leanne.

Maybe it's "lying" as in telling porkies........

But who is telling porkies I wonder?? The gutter press labour under the illusion that everyone apart from their rather moronic reporters is as thick as two short planks. In actual fact, it is the reporters who are as thick as two short planks..

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Post  eltee on Mon 27 Mar 2017, 6:00 pm

I have a cousin named Liane. My uncle and aunt took the first 2 letters of their names, Linda and Angus and added an e so it looked better.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:05 am

I haven't seen this programme yet but I understand that Colin Sutton appears in it.

https://www.my5.tv/soham-revisited-15-years-on/season-1/soham-revisted-15-years-on

P.S. I have now seen most of it - the computer threw a wobbler and I missed the last 10 minutes or so. The makers of the Australian "Gone" programme could certainly learn something from the way that it's made clear that most of the interviews come from 2002 or 2003!

One thing that I was unclear about; Huntley's previous offences weren't noticed when he applied for the school caretaker's job because he was using the name Nixon. He was known as Huntley at the time of the girls' disappearance. How did he come to change it back again and didn't anyone think to check him out in that name?
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Post  poster on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 2:06 pm

Freedom wrote:I haven't seen this programme yet but I understand that Colin Sutton appears in it.

https://www.my5.tv/soham-revisited-15-years-on/season-1/soham-revisted-15-years-on

P.S. I have now seen most of it - the computer threw a wobbler and I missed the last 10 minutes or so. The makers of the Australian "Gone" programme could certainly learn something from the way that it's made clear that most of the interviews come from 2002 or 2003!

One thing that I was unclear about; Huntley's previous offences weren't noticed when he applied for the school caretaker's job because he was using the name Nixon. He was known as Huntley at the time of the girls' disappearance. How did he come to change it back again and didn't anyone think to check him out in that name?  

I don't think we can believe a lot of what has been written in the main stream media about Ian Huntley. Tragically, I think the press did what is known as a 'hatchet job'.


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Post  poster on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 2:36 pm

The below pretty much sews it up for me. I think it is also on record that the taxi driver had passengers in the car too. So there would be several witnesses to the erratic driving episode. Surely what the taxi driver reported would be consistent with the abduction of two girls?


5.11pm - 5.35pm: The computer at Holly's house is in use, almost certainly by the girls.

5.45pm: Ian Huntley, the caretaker of a local school and who knows the girls, speaks to them as they pass his house. "They were as happy as Larry ... They didn't have a care in the world," he said.

6.15pm: Another reported sighting puts them in the lower end of the High Street near a Rover garage.

6.17pm: CCTV footage shows the girls crossing the car park of the Ross Peers sports centre in Soham. They did not have their parents' permission to go back to the centre.

6.30pm: Four more reported sightings put the girls in the High Street walking towards the centre of Soham.

6.45pm: Four more reported sightings, this time near the town's war memorial.

7pm: An unconfirmed sighting at the southern edge of Soham, near a roundabout and a Q8 filling station.

6.01pm / 7pm: A taxi driver heading south from the roundabout near the filling station, along the A142 towards Newmarket, apparently sees the motorist in front struggling with two children and swerving across the road. The metallic green saloon car is speeding and being driven "erratically", with a child in the front passenger seat and another - with light brown hair similar to Jessica's - in the back. The motorist is white, of Mediterranean appearance or suntanned, aged between 38 and 45 and has black, wiry hair. He drives all the way to the outskirts of Newmarket.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/17/childprotection.children4
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Post  poster on Tue 04 Jul 2017, 7:48 pm

Interesting thread.

This case bothers me deeply. So many lives ruined. I also don't think there is any clear motive. The girls just happen to walk past his house while he is washing his car. How was he to know they would walk past at this particular time unless he had been in prior contact with them and there is no evidence of this from phones/computers etc? So presumably it was a coincidence that he saw them. Why would he invite them in? It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he did and there is no evidence as the poster below states.

A man engaged in the task of washing his car outside his house is not, imo, a man who is planning to abduct, molest and murder two girls. He may well have been the last person the girls spoke to before they disappeared and he may have been worried that this would raise suspicions but I see no evidence that his testimony that they skipped off 'happy as Larry' or words to that effect is not the truth. None whatsoever.

Snipped from below:

There was no evidence girls were in his house or car... he walked his dog near the area where they were found and I believe his dad lived there too...

The story was originally that he went back to where bodies were dumped some time after, cut the clothes off them, then set fire to the bodies, then York clothes home and washed them, then put them in a bin in the shelter on the site where he worked, put petrol on them and lit them but then poured water over them after a few seconds, then put a bin bag over the top of them and left them to be found...

I don't buy it!

It seems to me that the police had already decided it was Huntley who was going to be charged for it and they manipulated the evidence and story to fit while ignoring everything else that pointed away from Huntley.



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Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:17 pm

Ian Huntley makes chilling claims about schoolgirls' murders in jail confession

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-huntley-claims-holly-wells-12011299#ICID=Android_TMNewsApp_AppShare

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Post  Freedom on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:21 pm

Nothing new there - typical of The Sun of course - that's what Huntley said at his trial.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:28 pm

Oh OK Freedom, delete it if you want.

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Post  Freedom on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:32 pm

I'm happy to leave it in case anyone needs reminding how wonderful tabloid newspapers are!
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Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:41 pm

Freedom wrote:I'm happy to leave it in case anyone needs reminding how wonderful tabloid newspapers are!

True! Very Happy

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Post  poster on Tue 03 Apr 2018, 5:30 pm

Not sure if this link has been on here but it is an interesting read for those curious about this case:

http://falsificationofhistory.co.uk/geopolitics/the-soham-scapegoats-a-gross-miscarriage-of-justice/
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Post  poster on Tue 03 Apr 2018, 7:37 pm

It's easy to forget just how much press coverage this tragic case got. This article is written in very poor taste, imo, without any thought for the girls, or their parents and families. Really disgraceful. And the senior investigating officer does not set the right tone either with his glib comment.

Explaining why it took officers just under two weeks to catch the killer of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, the senior investigating officer, Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Stevenson, said: "It's not like Morse you know."

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/dec/22/mondaymediasection.soham
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Post  poster on Sun 22 Jul 2018, 4:18 pm

Just to revisit this desperately tragic case, I think this account of what might have happened is entirely plausible.

The 'badger setts' that police spent all night investigating were initially described as shallow graves.


http://www.justjustice.org/

Interesting use of verb here in The Guardian story to describe how the taxi driver had to persistently contact police who ignored his vital testimony for days and days:

Ian Webster, the taxi driver who spotted a motorist struggling with two children as he drove just south of Soham at the time the girls vanished, gave the police the information last Wednesday, three days after the 10-year-olds went missing, and then badgered them about it on Friday and Saturday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/14/childprotection.children3
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Post  poster on Sun 05 Aug 2018, 10:18 pm

He added that one of his passengers, whom he had driven from Ely to Newmarket, had also contacted police on the Tuesday after the girls' vanished - the day police suggested the girls had been abducted.

Snipped from the link above.

This is FOUR witnesses to erratic driving behaviour. What has been described by the taxi driver sounds like what might happen if someone or several people abducted two girls, one of whom had a mobile phone. The driver put one child in the front and one in the back (rather than both in the back) presumably to separate them, He may not have realized that Jessica had a mobile phone on her but presumably, when in the car, he saw her trying to use her mobile to call her parents (or police?) and swung around to try to stop her and get hold of the mobile.

Why would the taxi driver lie? Who were the three passengers who also witnessed this behaviour? It would be very interesting to hear their accounts of what they saw.
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Post  Freedom on Mon 06 Aug 2018, 9:05 am

I read that one of the passengers received a call at the time this incident was seen and it was discounted because the phone records showed that the timing was wrong. I'll see if I can find it again.

P.S. It's here.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/17/childprotection.children4

I hope that the driver of that car was traced to check that there was nothing untoward about the incident. It sounds though like a typical journey with feuding siblings.
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Post  poster on Tue 07 Aug 2018, 12:22 am

Wednesday August 14
Wednesday August 14

4am: Police confirm that the areas of disturbed earth is not anything suspicious and are probably badger setts. The families of the girls talk of a "little hope" after their "longest night".

·Det Supt Beck makes a 30-second videotaped appeal, broadcast first at 6pm, speaking directly to the girls' believed abductor to call him on a special hotline and find a "way out". He said he had left him messages on Jessica's mobile phone.
4am: Police confirm that the areas of disturbed earth is not anything suspicious and are probably badger setts. The families of the girls talk of a "little hope" after their "longest night".

·Det Supt Beck makes a 30-second videotaped appeal, broadcast first at 6pm, speaking directly to the girls' believed abductor to call him on a special hotline and find a "way out". He said he had left him messages on Jessica's mobile phone.


Interesting timings here. '

A jogger reports seeing mounds of earth that look a bit like shallow graves. Police arrive and spend all night there. The next day a detective leading the team makes an appeal to  'the girls' believed abductor' to call him on a special line for a 'way out' having left a message on Jessica's phone.

So police believed they knew who the girls' abductor was, following the night which they spent examining disturbed earth which was probably badge setts?

Hmmmm...... confused

ETA: 4am: Police confirm that the areas of disturbed earth is not anything suspicious and are probably badger setts. The families of the girls talk of a "little hope" after their "longest night". Evil or Very Mad

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Post  Freedom on Tue 07 Aug 2018, 12:52 am

I don't take that to mean that the police had a particular suspect in mind, merely that it was considered now likely that someone had abducted the girls against their will. The messages were aimed at that as yet unknown person.
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Post  poster on Tue 07 Aug 2018, 1:19 pm

Freedom wrote:I don't take that to mean that the police had a particular suspect in mind, merely that it was considered now likely that someone had abducted the girls against their will. The messages were aimed at that as yet unknown person.

Oh okay, yes. I wonder what the 'way out' was, though? Did the abductor contact police? Given that Ian Huntley was convicted of the murders was it him or Maxine that contacted the police? Or someone that knew them?

Given that Ian Huntley was given two life sentences, I don't see that he had much of a 'way out' though?

Or am I missing something?

The timings are interesting however.

The taxi driver sighting was made public on 13th August. That evening a dog walker alerted the police to two mounds of earth at Warren Hill, just outside Newmarket. According to Wilkipedia, the suggestion was that these two mounds of earth could be the graves of the missing girls however an overnight examination of the site revealed that the mounds of earth were badger setts and 'no trace of either girl was found'.

I still maintain that it is quite odd that police had to spend all night examining badger setts, particularly as the girls at this time were still supposedly missing and their whereabouts unknown. Why waste so much time at a site that was apparently not relevant to the investigation?

It is also on record that the taxi driver was annoyed that police took so long to interview him and I think he had to contact them three times. Given how important his sighting was in terms of time location and what he saw and given that he had three witnesses, this seems to be an extraordinary failure on the part of the police. The taxi driver also went public after there were allegations that he had delayed approaching police. He was very irritated, apparently, as the opposite was true. Given that the taxi driver and his three passengers had witnessed a car being driven very erratically with the driver struggling with two girls at an important time and place on the evening that they disappeared I can quite understand his frustration.

It was only on 17th August when Huntley and Carr were arrested that the police announced that they feared the girls were now dead. It was on that afternoon that the bodies of both the girls were found near the perimeter fence of RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, 12 miles from Soham.

On 16th August Huntley and Carr were first questioned and they were arrested in the early hours of 17th August on suspicion of murder.

Link: Wilkipedia - Soham murders

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Post  Freedom on Tue 07 Aug 2018, 1:25 pm

From memory - not looking it up as I'm just off to my darkened room for the afternoon - the police were first alerted to Ian Huntley after he appeared on TV saying that he was possibly the last person to see them before they disappeared. Someone recognised him from where he had lived previously under a different name and told the police of his history of relations with underage girls.
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Post  poster on Tue 07 Aug 2018, 2:04 pm

Freedom wrote:From memory - not looking it up as I'm just off to my darkened room for the afternoon - the police were first alerted to Ian Huntley after he appeared on TV saying that he was possibly the last person to see them before they disappeared. Someone recognised him from where he had lived previously under a different name and told the police of his history of relations with underage girls.

I think Huntley was in frequent contact with police which would not be odd at all given that his girlfriend knew the girls and he was a local resident and the last person - allegedly (ahem!) to see them alive. Police were swarming around the area and it is completely normal that he would talk to them, imo. I would suggest this is an indication of innocence, rather than guilt. Why didn't he keep his head down or even leave the area for a bit? I know killers do sometimes hang around the scene but I never saw anything suspicious in his behaviour.

While it was alleged he had a history of relations with underage girls as far as I am aware there were no convictions and at least one of the allegations was false I do believe. The allegations all look quite flaky to me - where are the hoards of women he has supposed to have molested? He's not exactly Harvey Weinstein as far as I can see.

I'm unable to copy and paste on the computer I'm using but it seems to be from various reports in the MSM (yeah - I know...) that Huntley asked some quite pertinent questions. Why wouldn't he? The girls skipped past his house 'without a care in the world' on the evening that they disappeared.

I would imagine that Huntley and his girlfriend were desperately worried about them and wanted to know what had happened and who was responsible. It also strikes me, from various reports I have read in the MSM, the Huntley and Carr probably got wind relatively early on that they might get stitched up blamed for what had happened.

QC Richard Latham is quoted in the press as saying that the fact that Huntley asked questions about DNA was some kind of indication of his guilt. Really? Why? There was no DNA linking Huntley with the murders as far as I can see so I would suggest that Huntley was asking the right questions and QC Richard Latham was wondering how to find any DNA linking Huntley with the crime.

It is alleged there were fibres from a Manchester United football shirt found in his apartment. Is that as good as they could come up with?

In the end, they were reduced to getting evidence from - wait for it - a 'forensic ecologist, botanist and palynologist' Patricia Wiltshire. Apparently she identified the approximate tine the bodies were placed and provided evidence that proved that Huntley was the killer based on analysis of the soil environment.

No wonder Huntley was asking about DNA. Was any DNA from the girls found in his apartment? Was his DNA found on the girls clothes? Was the girls' DNA found on the Alsation that he was brushing when the girls stopped to talk to him outside his and Maxine's house? When a police officer arrived on the scene shortly after Huntley had allegedly murdered the girls, how did she find Huntley? Flustered, worried, weird, crazy, guilty, freshly washed with a change of clothes? Hair freshly washed? Scrubbing his house from top to toe? Wringing his hands?

Not at all. Cool, calm and collected and very helpful showing her around the campus. The police dog had no reaction at all to the man who had allegedly just murdered the two girls.

Were cadaver dogs ever sent into the house where the girls were murdered? If not, why not? Surely that should have happened early on just to rule out Huntley? Having ruled out Huntley, the police could then follow the trail that lead AWAY from his house and towards the route taken by the girls which lead, tragically, to their murder and death quite possibly, if the screams heard in the area of Warren Hill are anything to go by, that very evening.

The way I look at it, Huntley was convicted based on soil analysis and hearsay.

In any event, whether or not he had a history of wrongdoing with under-age girls, that does not make him guilty of this particular crime. Innocent until proven guilty.

That's how it looks to me anyway. Purely my own opinion.

Source: Wilkipedia Soham murders.



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