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Post  Andrew on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 9:45 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799601/Claims-JonBenet-Ramsey-killed-older-brother-Burke-smeared-faeces-wall.html#i-68610237b558ad4e

JonBenet Ramsey's bedroom walls and Christmas presents were 'smeared in faeces by disturbed brother Burke' - after new claims emerged he killed the child beauty queen
Claims U.S. child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey was killed by brother
FBI special agent says Burke Ramsey had 'history of scatological problems'
Ex-housekeeper says forensic team found faeces on Christmas present
Burke also smeared faeces on a bathroom wall, according to documentary


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Post  candyfloss on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:31 am

Stephen Motson ‏@SteMotson · 9m9 minutes ago

'The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey' Pins Murder on Older Brother http://www.forensicmag.com/article/2016/09/case-jonbenet-ramsey-pins-murder-older-brother#.V-JQSK0xwMI.twitter … #McCann


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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Bloodhound on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 8:50 pm

Thanks for the videos Andrew.
I have just started watching the first one and just over 10 minutes in, maybe 10min and 5 to 12 secs I can clearly her Patsy say "what did you do". I can't make out the rest of it though. This is when she thought she had hung up the phone. But the "what did you do" is clear to me.

Back I go to watch the rest Shocked
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Post  Freedom on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 9:54 pm

It doesn't make sense though to say that when she was on the phone to the police.

She had obviously found out what had happened some time earlier; it would have taken some considerable time to write the ransom note. She didn't dash if off while waiting for the police to turn up.

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  canada12 on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:32 pm

Perhaps she was asking her husband what he had done in terms of moving JonBenet's body and muddling the crime scene?
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Post  Bloodhound on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:48 pm

Not a whole pile of it makes sense though. Maybe they had heard Burke hit her, came downstairs and went nuts, sent him straight to his room while they sorted the crime scene and wrote the letter, which took at least 20 minutes. My guess would be an hour or so at least. Then maybe when the son heard her on the phone he came back downstairs, and after she thought she had hung up the phone and thought everything was sorted, she asked him what he did.

Or what Canada12 said is possible too.

I think, where the father lay the body on the floor after taking her up from the cellar, might be where she died and he deliberately lay her there in case forensics was found in that spot. I can't understand why he didn't lay her on the couch.

I'm off now to watch the second video.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 6:41 am

Very good point about where John put her body. I couldn't make out what Patsy was saying. What was the inflection in her voice? Was it said in an angry way or more gently to find out what John had done with the body?
I can't see her only asking Burke all that time later somehow. It would be the first thing most people would try to ascertain. That and why.

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Post  Bloodhound on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 10:01 am

In my opinion it wasn't said in an angry way, more like a tone of what have you done type of thing.  When they inhance the sound I can hear a male saying I'm not talking to you, or we are not talking to you, then I can hear a younger child but can't make out if he is saying "what did you find" or not.

I could hear her say "what did you do" before I listened to the part where they enhance the recording by slowing it down and blocking background noise. After listening to that part it doesn't sound as clear to me. It was only the male voice that sounded clearer to me.

It's possible she was saying it for the sake of saying it because she was agitated and nervous. its possible they weren't even in bed when all this happened. Maybe just in the next room. So they might have known what happened and the what did you do is her reaction.  I don't know. It's all a bit odd.  

Unbelievable how similar it is to the McCanns case. I wonder did they study this case and all they did to get away with it, it's almost like a carbon copy of events after the alarm was raised.
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Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 11:03 am

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/santa-and-the-housekeeper-the-forgotten-jonbenet-suspects/news-story/c921605802d5086911a1a34780225a4d

TELEVISION viewers following the recent twists and turns in the chilling JonBenet Ramsey murder case may have seen the speculation that Burke Ramsey killed his sister.
But another powerful TV special that airs next week in the run-up to the 20th anniversary of the child beauty queen’s death has put forward new theories.
Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey? unearths some bizarre evidence that suggests housekeeper Linda Hoffman Pugh and “Santa Claus suspect” Bill McReynolds should have been further investigated.
The two-part special on CNN offshoot channel HLN looks more deeply into alternative theories than this week’s explosive The Case Of JonBenet Ramsey.
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Post  Freedom on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 11:49 am

I haven't read this in detail yet but my first impression is, as with the McCanns, the elephant in the room is being ignored while local weirdos are put under the spotlight.

The bit about the handwriting on the note being so different to Patsy's is nonsense. It's the similarities which make her the obvious suspect.
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 11:58 am

I've not heard of the 'Santa Claus' theory myself....

Also lots of speculation in the news about the Ramsey lawyers threatening to sue. So will be interesting to see what comes of that.

Will try and watch those you tube vids later this eve.
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Post  Freedom on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 12:22 pm

Just as a matter of interest, who remembers when they first heard about this case? It certainly wasn't a worldwide splash as with the McCanns.

For me I was in a dentist's waiting room in September 1999 (goodness knows how I remember the date) reading the usual selection of old magazines and in one of them was an article about the case - so nearly three years later.

Then I saw a programme on TV - not sure when but before 2006 as Patsy was still alive. This definitely conveyed the impression that the parents were blameless and wonderful.

Since then I have looked out for updates on the case.
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 12:47 pm

http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/attorney-vows-to-take-down-cbs-hulk-hogan-style-after-report-accusing-burke-ramsey-of-killing-jonbenet/


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“You betcha I’m going to sue CBS. I’m going to take that company down as hard as I can because let me tell you the entire documentary is a fraud. CBS perpetrated a fraud on the viewers. There was no new investigation, their quote- un quote- experts were really just actors,” Wood told LawNewz.com.

Wood has represented the Ramsey family since 1999. The family has sued more than a half a dozen publications over the years that have run with stories suggesting that the Ramsey family could be behind the beauty beauty winner’s murder. The case is approaching it’s 20th year and still remains unsolved. Before she died,Wood promised JonBenet’s mother, Patsy Ramsy, that he would always defend the family name
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Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 12:58 pm

Freedom wrote:Just as a matter of interest, who remembers when they first heard about this case? It certainly wasn't a worldwide splash as with the McCanns.

For me I was in a dentist's waiting room in September 1999 (goodness knows how I remember the date) reading the usual selection of old magazines and in one of them was an article about the case - so nearly three years later.

Then I saw a programme on TV - not sure when but before 2006 as Patsy was still alive. This definitely conveyed the impression that the parents were blameless and wonderful.

Since then I have looked out for updates on the case.

Was back in 1999 for me as well when I lived in America for a couple of years at the time. Although I can't remember my thoughts about it all back then. Very much went off the radar until it was being discussed on here. Like the Needham case as well.
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  chrissie on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 1:36 pm

I hadn't heard about it until it mentioned on here
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 5:06 pm

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/boulder/who-killed-jonbenet-ramsey-former-colorado-governor-bill-owens-weighs-in-on-investigation
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  wjk on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 11:03 am

Hi all, I watched all the documentary yesterday/last night and am 98% sure he did it.
Just the tiniest doubt. And that comes from his interview when he was 9yrs old.
I'm not sure a 9yr old would be able to keep THAT kind of thing secret.

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Post  Andrew on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 1:07 pm

That's interesting, WJK. I will definitely be watching it later on this evening.

I suppose even some 9 year olds can be very convincing liars. Especially if they're coached in what to say and not to say.
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Post  wjk on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 1:17 pm

That's true Andrew.
Maybe he smacked her on the head with the torch and was sent to bed, not realising the damage he had done. The expert thinks that's what killed her, not the strangling. The parents then staged the strangulation & the ransom letter etc?
Anyway, it's well worth a watch. It changed my mind, I was always under the belief it was Patsy.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 1:29 pm

I agree, just what I can't get my head around is this, the mom seemed to love her, with all those pageant shows and stuff, kinda getting her to follow in her footsteps, but how in the world could she/they be able to leave her in the state she was found? How can that happen? Too late and covering for their son I get, the rest I dont get. Also, has anyone heard or read something about the mum still wearing the same clothes, like she hadn't been to bed at all? scratch
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Post  Freedom on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 2:12 pm

I think (but am not sure) that the wearing of the same clothes - suggesting that Patsy had never gone to bed that night - is mentioned here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5Ll3sLFs8
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 2:19 pm

Some more about the 'Santa' theory:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/santa-and-the-housekeeper-the-forgotten-jonbenet-suspects/news-story/c921605802d5086911a1a34780225a4d
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 2:22 pm

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682497/Patsy%20Ramsey
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