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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:48 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2451465/basement-jonbenet-ramsey-broken-window-boulder-colorado/
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:38 am

Here's the first part of More 4's programme. I haven't seen it yet - perhaps someone can tell me if there isn't too much of Patsy in it (unlikely) as she has the same effect on me as a certain other lady!

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  candyfloss on Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:42 am

I was enjoying it last night but dozed off after an hour or so as it was very late..

from the hour I saw they very much seemed to imply the perpetrator came from within the house. interesting stff from statement analysis chap. likes what I saw will watch the rest later if my head stops hurtin...

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:12 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2465508/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-investigation-crime-scene-dna-beauty-queen-colorado/
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Châtelaine on Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:54 pm

I remember having seen years ago on youtube a documentary, which was even years older, as Patsy was still alive at the time. There's only one scene in that doc, that I distinctly remember: she was showing how and where the killer had entered the house - the cellar where he broke a window. However, the broken glass was laying on the outside ...
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:23 pm

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/23/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-20-years/
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:58 pm

I've just watched the second part of the More 4 documentary - very interesting.

The conclusion is the same as some of us came to here; Burke killed his sister - maybe not intentionally - and his parents covered it up to protect him.

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:02 am

Just watched 2nd one. Really good series. Burke could never be prosecuted because he was under 10 when it happened.

That DA is dodgy. Wonder what he meant by it being political. Wonder if he was paid.

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:48 am

There were certainly times when I was thinking that there are similarities with the McCann case with pressure from on high not to charge the Ramseys with anything.

Having watched the clips of police interviews with Burke as a child, I feel more confident in saying as I have before that he is on the autistic spectrum.

That doesn't of course confirm that he killed his sister though.
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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:38 am

Totally agree - in fact I thought that immediately when I saw him being interviewed on Dr. Phil programme earlier this year.  But seeing the interviews with Burke as a child my thoughts were reinforced.  No empathy there or thoughts for `the other`, didn`t mix well socially, always on his Nintendo. Saying his Mum `went psycho`.  I doubt whether he has any guilt about it even today.

I felt sorry for him having to live with this mother who had such tremendous social ambitions and living in that fake world of pageants, beauty etc. obviously living vicariously through her daughter.  It seems JonBenet got a bike and a doll for Xmas and Burke was referred to as `playing with a plastic puzzle toy` he`d had for Xmas (but then a child on the autistic spectrum would love that).

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:17 pm

The most telling bit for me was that he had no fear that the murderous stranger would come back for him.

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Post  poster on Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:50 pm

Freedom wrote:Here's the first part of More 4's programme. I haven't seen it yet - perhaps someone can tell me if there isn't too much of Patsy in it (unlikely) as she has the same effect on me as a certain other lady!

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey

I agree. Both the parents are as odious as another two neglectful parents. The Ramsey parents look as hard as nails....that poor child..... I wonder what the brother is like? Not much fun living with the legacy of a murdered sister? Was he a suspect at one stage?

What kind of parents would want to objectify their daughter to that degree?

ETA: I see the brother is mentioned upthread. Should have read the whole thread first...

Children who are murdered are nearly always murdered at the hands of someone they know and possibly even live with. Kate in her book gives statistics showing that it is quite rare for strangers to be the perpetrators.

Murder is obviously at the extreme end of the abuse spectrum and, imo, there is likely to have been prior abuse of some sort. I think this is a feature in both these cases.

In the Ramsey case there was evidence of sexual abuse. In the McCann case the parents themselves suggest paedophilia as a motive for the crime and Kate in her book describes in graphic detail what might have happened.

I see no reason not to take the Gaspers seriously and there are many, many other red flags. I don't think the McCanns were a 'normal' family whatever that means and there is so little about their past it's extraordinary.

I should think there is a fair amount of dirt that could be dug on the Ramsey family and I wonder if in both cases the mothers regretted their choice of husband and father.

Both girls were objectified by the adults around them, imo. With ultimately tragic consequences irrespective of what actually happened.

Both very sad cases.



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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:58 pm

Well, a lot of parents expect their children to excel in things that they themselves were unable to do. You hear of it in sports like swimming and tennis - children being pushed from an early age to become champions, whether or not they actually want to be themselves.

A lot of people think that child beauty pageants are fine - I don't that's for sure - but apparently JonBenet enjoyed being in the limelight.

Burke as we know is likely to have resented all the attention his sister received and, if the reports are true that he was in the habit of smearing excrement around (apologies if anyone is eating) then he certainly was a disturbed child.

Here's the second part of the documentary.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  poster on Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:11 pm

Some children are very 'biddable' and will do anything to try to please the adults around them. Not saying this is the case here but it could have been. Perhaps the same with Madeleine McCann. In a family there is quite often one child who is the 'people pleaser' and takes on the role of keeping the peace and smoothing things over. If the Ramsay boy was a real handful then it is not impossible that JonBenet was expected to over-compensate, to be 'perfect' to make up for her brother's perceived shortcomings.

Unfortunately, this type of dynamic is quite common in dysfunctional families and I would say that both families were most definitely that.
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Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:14 pm

Poster - in last night`s programme the experts determined there was no sexual abuse.

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Post  Châtelaine on Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:41 pm

IMO there was jealousy, deviant characters and all and foremost: this was an inside "job" because of that.
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Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:17 pm

I wonder if Burke Ramsey will wait until after his father's death to own up; were he to do so now, the latter would face multiple charges.
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Post  Châtelaine on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:20 pm

You mean, it was the father?
Likely so...
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Post  Freedom on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:23 pm

No, I definitely think that the son was responsible but the father could be charged with perverting the course of justice by covering up for him.
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Châtelaine on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:39 pm

Interesting.
I'm in limbo.
ETA I first thought it was the father, then the son, then the father, etc. ...
Whatever: it was an inside job ...
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Post  poster on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:43 pm

Mimi wrote:Poster - in last night`s programme the experts determined there was no sexual abuse.

That's interesting because I am sure there are reports where evidence of sexual abuse is mentioned?

For instance this one:

The most troubling, and perhaps unexpected finding, were physical signs that JonBenét may have been sexually abused by an unknown person. These findings suggested that at the time of her death, she had been sexually assaulted but that she may have experienced sexual trauma prior to the day she died as well.



https://www.romper.com/p/what-did-jonbenet-ramseys-autopsy-report-say-it-prompted-even-more-questions-18586
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  candyfloss on Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:46 pm

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Mimi on Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:39 pm

poster wrote:
Mimi wrote:Poster - in last night`s programme the experts determined there was no sexual abuse.

That's interesting because I am sure there are reports where evidence of sexual abuse is mentioned?

For instance this one:

The most troubling, and perhaps unexpected finding, were physical signs that JonBenét may have been sexually abused by an unknown person. These findings suggested that at the time of her death, she had been sexually assaulted but that she may have experienced sexual trauma prior to the day she died as well.



https://www.romper.com/p/what-did-jonbenet-ramseys-autopsy-report-say-it-prompted-even-more-questions-18586

Yes I think that story abounded for a while including that she suffered from UG infections. But they had an experienced pathologist on that programme who said the vaginal tract was clear and untouched. I think he gleaned this from the autopsy report. Also the DNA on the panties was of no concern because they proved that anyone`s DNA could easily transfer there. (Mind you I did query this myself because the panties they tested were brand new out of the packet yet JB`s panties might not have been new and gone through the wash at home).

You should watch the films - they`re good. I can`t remember which one had the bit about the autopsy.

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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Freedom on Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:34 am

I've now watched both parts, albeit in the wrong order.

How I would love those experts to analyse the McCann case.
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Re: Jonbenet Ramsey

Post  Andrew on Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:25 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4071724/JonBen-t-Ramsey-s-brother-files-750million-lawsuit-against-CBS-cold-case-special-accused-killing-pageant-queen-sister.html
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