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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Poe on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:14 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:Reading across the road there and someone searched Madeleine McCann on Google maps. Up comes a place in Portugal labelled "Madeleine McCanns crib". Tried it myself but nothing came up, then another poster posted a link and there it was! What's that all about! scratch  must be just a joke, I know, I know. Shocked

Get ready for The Sun headlines about the sick Madeleine trolls hacking Google.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:26 pm

Poe wrote:
dogs don't lie wrote:Reading across the road there and someone searched Madeleine McCann on Google maps. Up comes a place in Portugal labelled "Madeleine McCanns crib". Tried it myself but nothing came up, then another poster posted a link and there it was! What's that all about! scratch  must be just a joke, I know, I know. Shocked

Get ready for The Sun headlines about the sick Madeleine trolls hacking Google.

I'm sure, who does this kind of thing? Evil or Very Mad

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Post  Châtelaine on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:28 pm

That's anyone's guess.
But it's not too difficult to locate those ...
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Andrew on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:59 pm

Will stick this one here:

(unless there is another dog thread that is more suitable?)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506920/Newborn-boy-buried-alive-bush-saved-dog.html

Newborn boy buried alive in the bush is saved by a dog after it 'smelt the baby' and dug into the ground to find him
The dog dug a hole in the soil to find the one-month-old baby in China
When the pet freed the baby, he was crying and his mouth was full of mud
It's thought the boy was buried because his family thought he had died
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  candyfloss on Sun 21 May 2017, 2:08 pm

Nick van der Leek‏ @HiRezLife · 53m53 minutes ago
 

Detective reveals motive in #NikkiBurgess murder http://wkrn.tv/1QQFRse  Seems cadaver dogs now recognised as forensic technology #McCann


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Later, cadaver dogs alerted detectives to that bathroom and the master bedroom. What the dogs alerted to was the presence of human decomposition.

“The first area they alerted to was in the master bedroom where the bundle of blankets was,” said Atkin. “The second area they alerted to was in the bathroom, specifically the bathtub.”

http://wkrn.com/2015/11/24/man-charged-in-nikki-burgess-case-due-in-court/


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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Andrew on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 10:54 am

http://www.goerie.com/news/20170602/class-teaches-k-9s-human-remains-detection
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Post  Andrew on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 10:57 am

Will stick this article here as well from a couple of weeks back:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4515430/Researchers-reveal-track-corpse.html

The science of finding dead bodies: Researchers reveal the techniques to track down a corpse
In many homicide cases, bodies end up getting buried in the ground
Scientific methods like looking for surface soil variations can help locate victims
Depressions or small hills could indicate that a body was buried underneath
Search teams can also use specialist 'cadaver dogs' to sniff for remains
They can also use geophysical methods to scan identified areas such as ground penetrating radar, which uses radar pulses to image the subsurface
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Post  Andrew on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 10:34 am

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/06/cadaver_dogs_give_indication_o.html
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Andrew on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 10:08 am

Those "unreliable" dogs are being used again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4624686/Police-scour-Westminster-ahead-Queen-s-Speech.html
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Post  Freedom on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 10:13 am

They're good enough for lesser royalty like the Windsors but not the McCanns!
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Post  poster on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 1:19 pm

Andrew wrote:I didn't spot this before but someone else I just noticed has pulled him up on it:

Mark Williams-Thomas‏Verified account @mwilliamsthomas  21h21 hours ago
Ex detective Gonçalo Amoral makes another totally ridiculous claim.That Madeleine McCann was cremated in a coffin. http://dailym.ai/2qmVCNZ


... That's how all the pathetic internet shills spell his name.

In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this clown is one of them.

Mark Williams-Thomas strikes me as highly suspect.

Does anyone have any more info on Dr Amaral's opinion that Madeleine was cremated?

Also when anyone states that something is a 'totally ridiculous' in this case, I tend to think that whatever has been said presses some buttons.

'Find the body and prove we killed her': Gerry McCann.
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  espeland on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 7:16 pm


If dogs can perhaps be used to detect remains from 80 years ago, 10 years must be a cert:


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/308705/dogs-to-hunt-for-amelia-earharts-remains

The forensic animals will be used to help sniff out the aviator's final resting place on Nikumaroro.
When Amelia Earhart disappeared over the Pacific Ocean during an attempt to circumnavigate the globe in her Lockheed Model 10 Electra in 1937, the question of what happened to her would go on to become one of the most enduring mysteries of the modern age.

In recent years however, clues have been found suggesting that Earhart's plane may have gone down somewhere in the remote Pacific atoll of Nikumaroro and that the aviator and her navigator Fred Noonan may have even survived for several days on a small island while awaiting rescue.

Now a new expedition led by The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery ( TIGHAR ) is hoping to prove this theory once and for all by journeying to the island and using sniffer dogs to search for the famed aviator's remains.

It will be the group's 12th expedition to search for Earhart in more than 30 years of investigating.

"No other technology is more sophisticated than the dogs," said National Geographic archaeologist Fred Hiebert. "They have a higher rate of success identifying things than ground-penetrating radar."

If the team does find bones on the island, they will be shipped back to the United States so that tests can be run to compare the DNA with that or Earhart's closest living relative.

If there is a match then they will have solved one of the modern world's most enduring mysteries.

Source: National Geographic

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Post  Andrew on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 8:08 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4626506/Dogs-hunt-aviator-Amelia-Earhardt-navigator.html
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 5:42 pm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170622082823.htm
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Post  Andrew on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 5:45 pm

Snipped from above:

Researchers from the University of Leicester are working with police forces in the UK to improve the accuracy of police dogs in identifying human remains in criminal investigations.

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Post  bluebell on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 6:01 pm

Andrew wrote:Snipped from above:

Researchers from the University of Leicester are working with police forces in the UK to improve the accuracy of police dogs in identifying human remains in criminal investigations.




Hope they aren't asking Profs from Glenfield Hospital, Leicester for help affraid affraid
No doubt advice will be they are notoriously unreliable. FGS.

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Post  Châtelaine on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 6:13 pm

It shouldn't be forgotten, that according to statistics the "mistakes" are in general "false negatives"!
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  mumof6 on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 10:56 am

Different sort of dog, but rather an amusing insight into how human beings don't understand how a dogs nose works:

http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/shop-keeper-sprays-deodorant-bid-129880
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Post  Châtelaine on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 12:40 pm

Right!
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Re: Capabilities of the Dogs

Post  Andrew on Fri 23 Jun 2017, 9:20 pm

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-06-dogs-chemicals-human.html


A bit more about that University of Leicester stuff.
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Post  Ferrino on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 3:26 pm

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but Eddie was criticised in the Haut de la Garenne searches, when no remains were found...but this is not true. Many milk teeth were found as well as fragments of human remains hundred(s) of years old. That doesnt discount Eddie's abilities, it massively promotes them!

Just because the search didn't find what they expected, Eddie was discounted. That is beyond wrong.
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Post  Châtelaine on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 3:39 pm

Ferrino wrote:I'm sure this has been mentioned, but Eddie was criticised in the Haut de la Garenne searches, when no remains were found...but this is not true. Many milk teeth were found as well as fragments of human remains hundred(s) of years old. That doesnt discount Eddie's abilities, it massively promotes them!

Just because the search didn't find what they expected, Eddie was discounted. That is beyond wrong.
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Post  Dee Coy on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 9:44 am

In her book, pg 253, Kate states, "...the chemicals believed to create the 'odour of death ', putrescence and cadaverine, last no longer than thirty days. There were no decaying body parts for the dog to find."

The implication is that dogs can detect remains of bodies for 100s of years, but if relying solely on the scent of death teansferred from a cadaver to objects then this is useless if the body has been taken elsewhere more than 30 days previously. The obvious argument is that as Eddie and Keela were searching after 3 months, their evidence could only be false. However, she only refers to the longevity of the scent of death, NOT blood. In addition I found this, so think again, Kate:

http://www.csst.org/residual_scent.html

In her book she references no studies or research for her conclusions, how can people get away with stating such unsubstantiated facts as evidence and not be held to account?

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Post  Heisenburg on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 10:12 am

More unreliability.

“It’s that profile that is particularly identifiable as being human. We ran an independent test with the Police Scotland dog called Ollie, and his dog handler, Ryan Galloway.
“He didn’t react to the toy car but did to the sandal.There were less compounds on the car to detect and the sandal was very high. It was one of the highest samples.
“Both the analytical test in our chemical labs, and the independent blind test with the dog, came up with the same compounds - the same items of interest.
“The dog was able to indicate the scent that is indicative of the compounds related to humans. ”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pioneering-scientific-proof-behind-blood-10858707.amp
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