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Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:33 am

He certainly doesn't fit the description of any of the numerous undesirables seen hanging around. 

I'm thinking that the media could turn this into a tearjerker - how grieving parents were preyed upon by someone with ulterior motives.
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Post  Hope on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:41 am

I did not mean Freud as the "abductor" but as the leader / member of a sexually deviant group. I realise his victims were teenagers and possibly older. I always wondered about the Freud / Murdoch divorce which seemed to come out of the blue. Then there is the Cameron link.

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Post  Popcorn on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:42 am

If it were any couple other than the McCanns, you might think this latest revelation - of them having associated with a paedophile - might cause the authorities to look again at the Gaspar statements.
What's interesting about Freud is that his well-connected family (or his widow, anyway) don't seem inclined to try and defend his reputation. Unlike Euclides Monteiro's widow.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:44 am

Hope, no I didn't mean that I seriously think that!

I do wonder though who was in his circle of special friends.....
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:51 am

It will be interesting to see how Team McCann play on this next...

These revelations are certainly favourable for them.

How far will they push it I wonder....
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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:51 am

Popcorn wrote:If it were any couple other than the McCanns, you might think this latest revelation - of them having associated with a paedophile - might cause the authorities to look again at the Gaspar statements.
What's interesting about Freud is that his well-connected family (or his widow, anyway) don't seem inclined to try and defend his reputation. Unlike Euclides Monteiro's widow.

That was very noticeable Popcorn.

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Re: Sir Clement Freud and links to the McCanns

Post  Hope on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:56 am

Emma Freud contributed a story to a Mothers Day book put together by Sarah Brown to raise money for the charity set up in memory of the Brown's daughter. She has an OBE. Gordon Brown then PM read a lesson at his funeral. Interesting article by Emma Freud in April 2010, Guardian, on her fathers death.


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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:57 am

candyfloss wrote:
Popcorn wrote:If it were any couple other than the McCanns, you might think this latest revelation - of them having associated with a paedophile - might cause the authorities to look again at the Gaspar statements.
What's interesting about Freud is that his well-connected family (or his widow, anyway) don't seem inclined to try and defend his reputation. Unlike Euclides Monteiro's widow.

That was very noticeable Popcorn.
Oh goodness, just read this in the Mail..


Sylvia Woolsey said she was just 11 when Sir Clement – described as a national treasure by Gordon Brown at his funeral in 2009 – began abusing her. She was later invited into his marital bed alongside his actress wife Jill.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641755/Clement-Freud-child-abuser-Former-Liberal-MP-molested-girls-young-10-TV-documentary-reveals-two-victims-tell-pain.html#ixzz4BdI7t3y6



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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 8:59 am

candyfloss wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Popcorn wrote:If it were any couple other than the McCanns, you might think this latest revelation - of them having associated with a paedophile - might cause the authorities to look again at the Gaspar statements.
What's interesting about Freud is that his well-connected family (or his widow, anyway) don't seem inclined to try and defend his reputation. Unlike Euclides Monteiro's widow.

That was very noticeable Popcorn.
Oh goodness, just read this in the Mail..


Sylvia Woolsey said she was just 11 when Sir Clement – described as a national treasure by Gordon Brown at his funeral in 2009 – began abusing her. She was later invited into his marital bed alongside his actress wife Jill.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641755/Clement-Freud-child-abuser-Former-Liberal-MP-molested-girls-young-10-TV-documentary-reveals-two-victims-tell-pain.html#ixzz4BdI7t3y6





Yet more..

She described a disturbing morning when the couple asked her to join them in bed. When Lady Freud went off to make breakfast, she offered to go too but claims his wife replied: ‘No no no no no, you stay where you are, stay where you are with Clay [Clement], I’ll bring it.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641755/Clement-Freud-child-abuser-Former-Liberal-MP-molested-girls-young-10-TV-documentary-reveals-two-victims-tell-pain.html#ixzz4BdIfaBmG

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Re: Sir Clement Freud and links to the McCanns

Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

The programme will be on at 11.05 tonight.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-14/late-politician-sir-clement-freud-accused-of-child-sexual-abuse/
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Post  Hope on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:03 am

So there are Freud, Murdoch, Brown, Cameron links.

I read Sarah Brown's autobiography when it came out and Emma Freud is her close friend. The book is interesting for looking for McCann supporter links.


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Post  Popcorn on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:05 am

According to the Mail, Mrs Freud seduced Will Self's brother when he was only 16...
Dark secrets of the Freuds: Did his wife, who at 47 seduced a boy of 16, turn a blind eye to Clement's depravity?  
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:06 am

And Clement's wife apparently had a 6 year affair which started when she was 47 and the lad was 16.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641876/Dark-secrets-Freuds-Did-wife-47-seduced-boy-16-turn-blind-eye-Clement-s-depravity.html
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Post  canada12 on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:11 am

And lest we forget the one very big elephant in the room, the person who has one huge link to both the McCanns and the Freud family:

From The Guardian

McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell joins Freud Communications

Tracey Kandohla

Tuesday 2 September 2008 09.35 BST

Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman, has joined PR and marketing agency Freud Communications.

Mitchell will be a consultant specialising in crisis and issues management, media training and scenario planning at the agency, which counts Pepsi and Walkers Crisps among its clients. He started work yesterday.

The former BBC journalist has secured a 12-month contract at Freud but will not stop working with the McCanns, whose five-year-old daughter Madeleine has been missing for 16 months.

Mitchell said: "It is an exciting opportunity to work with one of the biggest and best PR companies in the country.

"It gives me the potential to work with a much wider range of clients if and when they find themselves in the news. Kate and Gerry and their financial backer Brian Kennedy have given me their full backing."

Mitchell will continue to advise the McCanns on a monthly retainer basis. He was being paid £80,000 a year by Cheshire-based double glazing tycoon Kennedy, who is a backer of the McCanns.

He will also carry on supporting his other clients. They include Fiona MacKeown, whose daughter Scarlett was murdered in Goa; the parents of Jimmy Mizen, who was stabbed to death in London; and the parents of missing teenager Amy Fitzpatrick.

"My new role will involve different ways of working for clients depending on their circumstances. I will advise them as part of the Freud services package," Mitchell said.

"I am working on a freelance basis which will allow me to continue speaking for Kate and Gerry whenever Madeleine or the ongoing search for her is in the news. I am very happy to continue representing Kate and Gerry. This is not a parting of the waves. I need to expand and consolidate what I am doing," he added.

"I am very pleased that Freud found my media background and high-level media contacts to be of sufficient interest to take me on in this way."

At Freud, Mitchell will report to Nicola Howson, the former ITV director of corporate affairs, who is responsible for the agency's corporate and media practice.

Mitchell stepped down from his role as director of the media monitoring unit at the government's Central Office of Information in September last year to handle the McCanns' PR full time.

Before that, he had been acting as an adviser to the McCanns last summer at the request of the Foreign Office, while retaining his government role.

Mitchell was previously head of media monitoring for the Cabinet Office.

He was also a journalist for 25 years, starting out in print and then as a broadcaster with the BBC, covering a variety of stories including the Fred and Rose West murders and Soham. As a royal correspondent he covered the death of Princess Diana.
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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:12 am

Vicount Ian Kerr CGC ‏@IanKerr  · 1h1 hour ago  

Clement Freud 'assured' Kate McCann. #mccann https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/clement-freud-part-downfall/


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Post  Guinea Pig on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:20 am

I wonder if charges could be brought against Lady Freud for doing nothing to stop what was going on?
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:30 am

Well personally, I don't think Clement was involved in anything to do with Madeleine's demise.

But could he and 'other' high-powered folk been up to 'other' things around that time... The big guns and the Political back up at the time was more to do with putting a lid on any of that...

Then when the McCanns were made arguidos it was all about trying to stop the investigation and sweep everything up for everybody's best interests...

Only the McCanns wouldn't shut up like everyone else did.
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Post  Hope on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:34 am

Matthew Freud's first wife Caroline Hutton then married Princess Diana's brother Earl Spencer.


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Post  Hope on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:44 am

Also members of Chipping Norton set, Rebekah Brooks and husband Charlie, Cameron's ex policy chief and guru Steve Hilton and his wife who has a top job at Google.
Piers Morgan was in a newpaper deal with Matthew Freud.


Steve Hilton wrote an article on why Brexit and to vote no, published in Daily mail last week. A real blow to Cameron.


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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:52 am

As Clement Freud is claimed to have been a paedophile who were his famous family?



© Provided by Mirror
The most famous member of Clement Freud's family was his grandfather Sigmund, the pioneer of the discipline of psychoanalysis. He created an entirely new approach and language to help us understand the human mind.
Sigmund, who was Jewish, lived in Austria when it came under Nazi rule after being annexed by Germany in 1938. He was forced to flee the family’s Vienna home to London after being targeted by Hitler’s fascists. His four sisters, who stayed behind, later died in concentration camps. Clement boasted of never having read a word of his grandfather’s work.
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Other high achieving relatives include Clement’s older brother Lucian, a painter who died in 2011 worth at least £125million. He was widely considered to be the leading British artist of his generation.
Lucian failed to attend his brother’s funeral in April 2009 because of a feud going back more than 50 years. It was said to have been sparked in childhood by a bet about who would win a running race.

© Provided by Mirror
Clement was leading until Lucian shouted: “Stop thief, he’s stolen my money.” In 1955, they fell out for good when Lucian visited his brother for a loan but stormed off. Lucian’s daughters are fashion designer Bella Freud and novelist Esther Freud. Lucian once said: “Family is not important to me. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest.



Clement and Lucian’s older brother, Stephen, is one of the forgotten Freuds, who ran a hardware shop just off Baker Street.
Among Clement ‘s five children are PR executive Matthew Freud, who has married media magnate Rupert Murdoch’s daughter Elisabeth. His daughter Emma Freud is a broadcaster and the partner of Richard Curtis, scriptwriter of Blackadder and Four Weddings and a Funeral.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/as-clement-freud-is-claimed-to-have-been-a-paedophile-who-were-his-famous-family

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Post  canada12 on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:53 am

I wonder if Operation Grange would like to have a chat with Kate and Gerry about their friend with the strawberry vodka. Perhaps they could provide some insights. Some details. Since Kate went to such great lengths to describe their wonderful relationship in her bewk...
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sir-clement-freud-madeleine-mccann-police-investigate-paedophile-mp-link-a7082806.html
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Post  joyce1938 on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 10:15 am

Well it seems they are still looking for a Patsy,and this was close by and convenient one by sounds of it >. I think we had mostly ruled out anyone taking and abducting said child? A dead person again too ? its become all too familier eh ? I cant see a real connection after all the years of saying , no time for anyone to have got in the appt. just my first thoughts .joyce1938
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Post  Andrew on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 10:19 am

Updated Telegraph article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/sir-clement-freud-exposed-as-a-paedophile-as-police-urged-to-pro/
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Post  Popcorn on Wed 15 Jun 2016, 10:33 am

Does anyone else find it a little odd that the 'story' here is immediately about the McCanns? Clement Freud - and his family - are very famous in their own right. He might not be quite on the scale of Savile, but he's certainly a real name. The fact that he's been exposed as a paedophile, albeit after death, is a big story all on it's own. So why have the papers immediately decided to make it all about the McCanns - a couple he had only a fleeting knowledge of, and only then (seemingly) once Madeleine had disappeared?
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