BREXIT - The European Union referendum

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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  nannygroves on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 2:25 pm

candyfloss wrote:Yes, I think the decision is theirs, a referendum is only advisory and does not have to be adhered to.  Waste of flippin time innit!


My understanding of democracy is that we elect Members of Parliament to carry out our instructions . If they don't do this and go against the will of the people that is NOT democracy. It's no good bleating on about the close call of the referendum . It was a definite majority vote for OUT. I think Members of Parliament should tread very carefully now if they do not want this country to face possible revolution. Next time we have an election ( 23rd Feb) shall we stand by the majority vote or demand another go now that they've set the precedent for ignoring votes? Cameron didn't state it was an advisory referendum . In fact he spoke of instigating Article 50 immediately and no one in Parliament batted an eyelid. They were that sure that it was 'in the bag.' Theresa May will do exactly what she's always done. Talk the talk and follow up with .................nothing.
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Post  espeland on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 3:39 pm

Theresa May will do exactly what she's always done. Talk the talk and follow up with .................nothing.


She'd better not!

After 50 years of voting, last June I chose the winning side for the first time! What worries me though, is that if France votes to leave too and with other countries lined up to vote, that TPTB in Brussels will decide to change enough things to make leaving almost a pointless exercise.
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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  chirpyinsect on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 4:11 pm

And possibly the point of it all along. We are crazy if we think people power means anything.
I voted Remain and am not ashamed of that. My reasons are personal to my unique circumstances coupled with what I truly believe is better for the UK.
What I hated about the whole thing was the divisions it created in society. Again a standard tactic. They always knew it would be close and a recipe for disaster. Why do you think they didn't invoke the super-majority 10% rule?
As a divided nation arguing with each other we are far less likely to be watching what is really happening in the corridors of power.

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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  Mimi on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 7:26 pm

Freedom wrote:Have I understood this correctly? The Government has the final say on whether or not the U K leaves the European Union?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38723261#"

I thought it was Parliament, not the government. A Bill now has to go through Parliament and voted on, but is likely to pass easily.

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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  Benevolent on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 10:11 pm

I too voted Remain for personal family reasons but the way I saw the whole thing was like a divorce. Something you see with actual divorces/separations. Its seems that when things get tough or they don't like the way things are its easier just to chuck the towel in rather than try to fix things. Its the same with the whole 'we don't like the way the EU thingy/people (thingy being a non technical term) run things'. Fine then fix the way the EU thingy/people do things. Why not have a whole EU member country referendum on changing the way the EU is run, starting with an elected EU body.
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Post  Mimi on Tue 24 Jan 2017, 10:34 pm

Benevolent wrote:I too voted Remain for personal family reasons but the way I saw the whole thing was like a divorce. Something you see with actual divorces/separations. Its seems that when things get tough or they don't like the way things are its easier just to chuck the towel in rather than try to fix things. Its the same with the whole 'we don't like the way the EU thingy/people (thingy being a non technical term) run things'. Fine then fix the way the EU thingy/people do things. Why not have a whole EU member country referendum on changing the way the EU is run, starting with an elected EU body.

I think that would be a major task, far more difficult than us getting out. It`s far too big, complicated and probably corrupt with interests and connections all tangled up - it would be like trying to unravel the Clinton/Bush mafias. You can see how nasty the Brussels heads are becoming over us leaving. I`m a believer in staying small - anything that gets too big, gets corrupted. I liked Europe for it`s individual nation states, each with their own languages, currency and customs - vive la difference. No way do I consider myself `european` even though my DNA is probably rooted in northern europe.

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Brexit etc.

Post  Mimi on Sat 07 Oct 2017, 10:21 pm

I cannot find a thread for Brexit - mods, if there is one under another name, please transfer.

This German MEP has just had a go at Juncker, Barnier & co for causing the UK to leave the UK in the first place and for acting in such an arrogant way and trying to punish the UK.  Excellent



and here he is again on RT. He makes sense.




It took me a while but I found the original topic!

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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  candyfloss on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:10 am

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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  candyfloss on Wed 28 Feb 2018, 3:47 pm

Don't know if anyone is fed up to the back teeth with this Brexit stuff.  Do you think we should vote again.  Have you had a change of heart?


Is John Major right to say have another referendum?




Sir John Major: Give MPs a free vote on Brexit deal

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MPs should be given a free vote on whether to accept or reject the final Brexit deal, Sir John Major has said.
The ex-prime minister argues that MPs must vote with their "own conscience" on whether the deal on offer will leave the UK better or worse off.
And, in a speech in London, he said they could decide on a new referendum.
Leading Tory backbencher and Brexit backer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, said Sir John had been wrong on Europe in the past "and he is getting it wrong again".
Sir John, whose time as Conservative prime minister from 1990 to 1997 featured long-running battles with Eurosceptics in his party, has long been a critic of the UK's decision to leave the EU, having campaigned alongside David Cameron on the Remain side in the 2016 referendum.

Brexit has become the most "divisive" political issue of his lifetime, he said in the speech to the Creative Industries Federation.

He said the promises made by Leave campaigners during the referendum had yet to be met and were unlikely to be, describing the aspiration to spend an extra £350m a week on the NHS as a "ridiculous phantom".
"Many electors know they were misled: Many more are beginning to realise it. So, the electorate has every right to reconsider their decision."
Sir John challenged what he said was the argument Brexit would have little impact on the UK, arguing that while the British people would "get through it", it was likely to leave the country "weaker and less prosperous" and a "diminished" force on the world stage.

'Unique decision'

Given the emerging evidence that Brexit will "hurt most those who have the least", he said the government must "change course" and rethink its negotiating strategy, based on what was practically achievable rather than what he said were the demands of a "minority of ultra-Brexiteers".
While he did not enjoy being "out of step" with his party, the stakes were so high than he felt obliged to speak out at such a crucial moment in the negotiations.
"Leaving Europe is an issue so far-reaching, so permanent, so over-arching that it will have an impact on all our lives - most especially on the young and the future," he said.
"With only 12 months to go, we need answers, not aspirations."
While he was not actively calling for a further referendum, he said the "option" must remain open to a "sovereign" Parliament to insist upon.

'Wrong again'

The "meaningful" vote promised by Theresa May on the final agreement must be "a decisive vote, in which Parliament can accept or reject the final outcome; or send the negotiators back to seek improvements; or order a referendum so the public may approve what has been determined".
"Brexit is a unique decision," he added. "It will affect the lives of the British nation for generations to come. If it flops - there will be the most terrible backlash.
"If Brexit is whipped through Parliament, at a time when the public are so divided about it, voters will know who to blame if they end up poorer and weaker. So, both democracy and prudence suggest a free vote.
"The deep divisions in our nation are more likely to be healed by a Brexit freely approved by Parliament, than a Brexit forced through Parliament at the behest of a minority of convinced opponents of Europe."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43229964






British people have 'every right' to reverse Brexit in second referendum, John Major says

'Let Parliament decide.  Or put the issue back to the people'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-major-brexit-speech-second-referendum-commons-vote-eu-theresa-may-conservative-a8232791.html

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Post  unreorganised on Wed 28 Feb 2018, 8:24 pm

candyfloss wrote:
Is John Major right to say have another referendum?

Since he insists on sprouting this unwelcome, unwarranted rubbish, I'll have to assume the same about him as I do about the similarly irritating T Blair - that he must be some kind of weird pervert with a skeleton in his closet and an arm up his back.
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Re: BREXIT - The European Union referendum

Post  Mimi on Wed 28 Feb 2018, 10:00 pm

No one has any right to suggest a 2nd referendum - it would make a laughing stock of our democracy. How dare he - and that idiot Blair - both probably being blackmailed by George Soros.

Silly man - I always imagine him in bed with Edwina Curry - her on top of course Shocked Shocked Shocked
Hope that`s not too rude for this forum.

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