McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Page 6 of 7 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  chirpyinsect on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 12:53 pm

Sorry this is OT but something weird is happening on the Jonbenet thread and Candy's latest thread. The JB one goes to a virus warning when I open that thread and Candy's one won't stay on the post, it just jumps to adverts. I have tested for a virus and all is ok. It's just those 2 threads. Everything else is normal. Is it just me?

_________________
Everything I write is my own opinion. Nothing stated as fact.
avatar
chirpyinsect

Posts : 4589
Join date : 2014-10-18

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  candyfloss on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:20 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:Sorry this is OT but something weird is happening on the Jonbenet thread and Candy's latest thread. The JB one goes to a virus warning when I open that thread and Candy's one won't stay on the post, it just jumps to adverts. I have tested for a virus and all is ok. It's just those 2 threads. Everything else is normal. Is it just me?

Tried all mine and everything ok, phone and mobile.  You have just posted twice chirpy so it must be your end.

_________________
  
 

  


Sometimes you will never know the true value of a moment until it becomes a memory.......... Dr Seuss
avatar
candyfloss
Admin

Posts : 10303
Join date : 2014-08-18
Age : 64

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:21 pm

I agree that there is no smoking gun evidence, at least none that we are aware of, but then the complete lack of evidence of abduction is one of the things that's suspicious about Madeleine's disappearance. However, I think you misunderstand how the world works if you think the police are the slightest bit bothered about the wealth of their suspects. Even if we disregard the slightly disturbing view that senior police officers sit there thinking "Hmm, we've got some evidence against this person but we'd best not prosecute 'cos they can afford a good defence team", your point is only valid if you disregard legal aid and the CPS.

I don't have that view? Not sure where in my post you got that! The police are just a CPS tool to gather evidence and build a case AFAIK. The CPS decide if a case goes to court or not(and the police often disagree!) The CPS explain things with lots of big words on how they operate and make decisions but even they are human and it would be naive to think they aren't affected by the 'human factor' like everyone else.  

 
I'm not familiar with the Suzanne Pilley case but i imagine the process was;
The police decide they have enough evidence (albeit curcumstantial) to prosecute
The police submit a file to the crown prosecution service (or procurator fiscal as this was in Scotland)
The CPS/PF agree that there is sufficient evidence and a likelihood of conviction based on that evidence
Charges are brought

At no point does the wealth or popularity of the suspect come into it.

Please have a look at the Wikipedia article to get an idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

The most eyebrow raising part for me is this:

On 6 March 2012, the court heard from a forensic scientist, Kirsty McTurk, who told the trial that she had conducted a search for DNA in Ms Pilley's workplace and in the boot of Mr Gilroy's car. She confirmed that she had been unable to find any trace of Ms Pilley's DNA anywhere in the building or in the car. She told the court that as she opened the boot to Mr Gilroy's car, she noticed a fresh smell coming from inside. She told the advocate depute that it could either have been an 'air freshener' or a 'cleansing agent'.

Not sure how or why this was part of the prosecution but what do I know! Just so there isn't any doubt, I believe Gilroy to be guilty as charged FWIW.

AndyB wrote:As to Grange I am open minded but, on all the evidence, I can see very little to convince me that its genuine and I've heard nothing from those who believe that it is genuine to make me question my suspicions. As for why "so many top police officers would all partake in such a sham", I'm afraid that again demonstrates a startling lack of awareness of how the world actually is. Just how many people do you think it takes to subvert/corrupt/deflect an investigation? It only takes one or two and, in this case, perhaps the connivance of a senior politician or two like the home secretary. The vast majority of people working on the case will be working one line of enquiry and will be doing that genuinely and completely unsuspicious about the operation because they lack the big picture and hierarchical structures prevent and dissuade them from taking an interest in it even if they wanted to.

And as to the idea that the police never commit criminal acts, I suggest you read the following articles. The point being that, even if they were aware they were committing a criminal act (and there is no evidence whatsoever that they're doing anything wrong at all, even if they're not genuinely investigating Madeleine's disappearance because we don't know for certain what Grange's real remit is) it wouldn't bother them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33635962
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/half-of-met-police-officers-convicted-of-criminal-offences-in-past-decade-still-work-for-the-force-a3180351.html

This whole paragraph has me scratching my head wondering where you got the "lack of awareness" and "idea" of mine from?

All I will comment directly on is the part about individual officers. I agree each is delegated a single/specific line of enquiry but I find the suggestion about being out of the of the big picture ridiculous.
Do you not believe the team meet on a regular basis and tell each other what they have done/found and discuss what they are going to/need to do next? I watched the Sadie Hartley case on ITV yesterday and this is exactly how it appeared to operate. From beat bobby up to senior officers in the same room each morning. The morning briefing.
avatar
TheTruthWillOut

Posts : 1291
Join date : 2014-09-02

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Freedom on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:23 pm



Last edited by Freedom on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:34 pm; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Freedom
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 13599
Join date : 2014-08-17
Age : 102
Location : The nearest darkened room

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  candyfloss on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:34 pm

Freedom wrote:Locking for a moment to transfer the "what is libellous" posts out.

Thanks.  Back to poor old dumped Clarence, will he survive Laughing

_________________
  
 

  


Sometimes you will never know the true value of a moment until it becomes a memory.......... Dr Seuss
avatar
candyfloss
Admin

Posts : 10303
Join date : 2014-08-18
Age : 64

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:49 pm

So if I say anything detrimental about Clarence then do I have to put it on the new thread?

I love Clarence. He's a smashing guy. A real salt of the earth chap that's always had Madeleine's best interests at heart and it's so sad that he and the wonderful parents of Madeleine have had to part ways.

Will Clarence and his lawyers be ok with the above then....
avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Heisenburg on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:51 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
All I will comment directly on is the part about individual officers. I agree each is delegated a single/specific line of enquiry but I find the suggestion about being out of the of the big picture ridiculous.

The only thing to maybe cast doubt on such a thing is Hillsborough.
avatar
Heisenburg

Posts : 1250
Join date : 2016-01-11

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  candyfloss on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 1:55 pm

Andrew wrote:So if I say anything detrimental about Clarence then do I have to put it on the new thread?

I love Clarence. He's a smashing guy. A real salt of the earth chap that's always had Madeleine's best interests at heart and it's so sad that he and the wonderful parents of Madeleine have had to part ways.

Will Clarence and his lawyers be ok with the above then....

Just the posts talking about libellous postshave been moved Andrew by Freedom who has taken some out as they were off the subject, discussing libel rather than the topic.  Even the PJ chap said that he lied with as many teeth or something Smile - anyone got the quote..

_________________
  
 

  


Sometimes you will never know the true value of a moment until it becomes a memory.......... Dr Seuss
avatar
candyfloss
Admin

Posts : 10303
Join date : 2014-08-18
Age : 64

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Heisenburg on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 2:05 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559675/Portuguese-police-accuse-McCanns-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-lying-teeth.html


Portuguese police accuse McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of 'lying through his teeth'




But Mr Anjos told the respected Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias: 'He is a liar and a Machiavellian.

"Mr Mitchell wants to discredit the Policia Judiciaria and invent excuses so the McCanns do not come to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night she disappeared.

"He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth. Finally we know what side truth is on."




Last edited by Heisenburg on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 2:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Heisenburg

Posts : 1250
Join date : 2016-01-11

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 2:06 pm

... and I can't remember Clarence taking him to court for saying that.
avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  candyfloss on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 2:18 pm

Heisenburg wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559675/Portuguese-police-accuse-McCanns-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-lying-teeth.html


Portuguese police accuse McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of 'lying through his teeth'




But Mr Anjos told the respected Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias: 'He is a liar and a Machiavellian.

"Mr Mitchell wants to discredit the Policia Judiciaria and invent excuses so the McCanns do not come to Portugal to participate in the reconstruction of the night she disappeared.

"He lies with as many teeth as he has in his mouth. Finally we know what side truth is on."



Great, thank you Heisenberg. 

_________________
  
 

  


Sometimes you will never know the true value of a moment until it becomes a memory.......... Dr Seuss
avatar
candyfloss
Admin

Posts : 10303
Join date : 2014-08-18
Age : 64

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 3:40 pm

Will stick up another old article about the Clarence.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/clarence-mitchell-i-am-a-decent-human-being-if-i-can-help-them-i-will-1634738.html
avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Poe on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 4:56 pm

This is just pure speculation on my part but what if the legal contract between Clarrie & the McCanns states that Clarrie's job is to represent the McCanns in the media without him having any knowledge of the actual events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance other than what the McCanns tell him.

Like Carter Ruck if he works on the presumption that they are innocent and ignores all evidence to the contrary, unless there is absolute proof he knows what happened, he can claim he was duped.

Now, if he has been questioned by OG and shown evidence that indicates the McCanns' guilt, he can't possibly continue to represent them without putting himself in danger of arrest.
avatar
Poe

Posts : 914
Join date : 2014-09-02

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 5:51 pm

Poe wrote:This is just pure speculation on my part but what if the legal contract between Clarrie & the McCanns states that Clarrie's job is to represent the McCanns in the media without him having any knowledge of the actual events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance other than what the McCanns tell him.

Like Carter Ruck if he works on the presumption that they are innocent and ignores all evidence to the contrary, unless there is absolute proof he knows what happened, he can claim he was duped.

Now, if he has been questioned by OG and shown evidence that indicates the McCanns' guilt, he can't possibly continue to represent them without putting himself in danger of arrest.


A valid thought, Poe.

I sincerely hope that's the case and that's the real reason why they've parted.

avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  bluebell on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 6:03 pm

Poe wrote:This is just pure speculation on my part but what if the legal contract between Clarrie & the McCanns states that Clarrie's job is to represent the McCanns in the media without him having any knowledge of the actual events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance other than what the McCanns tell him.

Like Carter Ruck if he works on the presumption that they are innocent and ignores all evidence to the contrary, unless there is absolute proof he knows what happened, he can claim he was duped.
.
RSBM


Bit like any Defence Lawyer ????

_________________
The pure and simple truth is rarely pure, and never simple.        Oscar Wilde
avatar
bluebell

Posts : 1678
Join date : 2014-09-01
Age : 100
Location : S/W UK

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Châtelaine on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 6:18 pm

RSBM?
Do enlighten me :-)
avatar
Châtelaine

Posts : 2340
Join date : 2014-08-27
Location : France

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  bluebell on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 6:36 pm

Are you referring to the RSBM  abbreviation Chatelaine  ?

Sorrey, it stands for Respectfully Snipped By Me

Used when some parts of a quote are deleted for space as not always relevant to the answer provided.

_________________
The pure and simple truth is rarely pure, and never simple.        Oscar Wilde
avatar
bluebell

Posts : 1678
Join date : 2014-09-01
Age : 100
Location : S/W UK

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Châtelaine on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 6:56 pm

I thought I was "au courant "with abbreviations.
But, thanks, this was a new one to me.
avatar
Châtelaine

Posts : 2340
Join date : 2014-08-27
Location : France

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  poster on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 9:03 pm

chrissie wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1694829/kate-and-gerry-mccann-dump-long-serving-spokesman-in-bid-to-cut-spiralling-costs-of-hunt-for-missing-tot/

THE parents of Madeleine McCann have axed their long-serving spokesman in a bit cut costs.

Kate and Gerry dumped PR guru Clarence Mitchell after nine years as they face a cash crisis.

They have just five more weeks of Government funding towards the hunt for their missing girl.

The couple have vowed to use money from their official fund to continue the search themselves, adding:”We will continue to do everything we can to help find our daughter.

“Our hope and resolve continues.”

Gerry told Mr Mitchell in an email his “services were no longer needed” and he needed to “cut costs”.

The former BBC journalist was said to be “hurt” but respects their “more pressing agenda”.


The McCanns’ fun stands at £480,000 but they face a £434,000 libel to former Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral.

It is the first time since the three-year-old went missing from a holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, that Kate and Gerry have not had a spokesman.

Mr Mitchell told the Mirror: “It makes perfect sense for Kate and Gerry to keep careful consideration over all their costs.
“I will continue to help them as circumstances require.”

Last week the Metropolitan Police announced it may push for more government cash to help the hunt for Maddie.

Brit cops were granted £95,000 to keep the investigation going in April.

But the cash is expected to run out in October.

The McCann’s are bracing themselves for Scotland Yard ending the probe on October 5.

Cops have said there is now only one lead “worth pursuing”.

Well, personally I think there has been a falling out or Clarissa knows what's coming

With regard to the sentences in red above. I can only imagine what their pressing 'wider agenda' is now - saving their necks, presumably.

Interesting choice of words here: "The McCann’s are bracing themselves for Scotland Yard ending the probe on October 5."

Only one lead worth pursuing - now I wonder who that might be....hmmm....I think the Mcs might just be pooping themselves...
avatar
poster

Posts : 1369
Join date : 2015-06-23

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 9:40 am

Just read from over the way from the man who's reappeared, that Clarence Mitchell works for the MI5.... Apparently 2 separate journalists told him this back in 2008...

Be interesting if he could shed a bit more light on the backstory of this... Who the journalists worked for, what are their names, how the conversation was instigated... etc,etc.

Although I'm sure for "legal reasons" he can't or won't be able to divulge. Very Happy
avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Bampots on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 11:32 am

I don't find that in the least bit surprising and have suggested as much on here before! If you really think this is simple and straightforward as in KISS then its impossible....... But for me its highly probable .......why would Jim Gamble stick his oar in?
It all stinks ......why the courting of the Macs by the high and mighty......just two doctors who as of this moment still seem bullet proof. Gonzalo states we will only know the truth when agency files are open to the public! What is simple about any of it and why do seem so intent on screaming it has to be simple and anyone who believes otherwise is a Looney. Why on earth do we have recent images of the Macs in the company of David Steel and that anonymous millionaire,no family near them no mates.....just wannabe movers and charity sluts akin to missing people......simple? If only.......

_________________
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts
Winston Churchill 
avatar
Bampots

Posts : 2172
Join date : 2014-09-07
Age : 55

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Andrew on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 11:52 am

That's a fair comment, Bampots. I appreciate some think it's very complex and others disagree. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest. And good to discuss.

If Clarence works for the MI5 then I feel the gentleman over the road should elaborate further on this claim... (questions that I stated). That was really the point I was making.
avatar
Andrew

Posts : 13089
Join date : 2014-08-29

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Freedom on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:15 pm

I have to admit that I find it irritating when people drop tantalising clues about things they claim to know and then refuse to divulge anything else - someone else who shall remain nameless reported that Dr Amaral is in Switzerland writing another book on the case.

Just keep quiet if you can't or won't tell all!
avatar
Freedom
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 13599
Join date : 2014-08-17
Age : 102
Location : The nearest darkened room

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  Bampots on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:59 pm

Don't really want to be a defender of TB but he does mention it as a theory to be explored for the reasons below........

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13082p50-what-s-the-evidence-that-madeleine-died-on-sunday-29-april#348464
was, of course, merely suggesting one possible explanation for Robert Murat's conduct, and all the many issues that surround Murat's involvement in this case.

As for 'bringing MI5 into it', you'll be aware, of course, that Goncalo Amaral in his book, 'The Truth Of The Lie', mentioned the very real involvement of MI5 in this case, and is on record as saying that 'This case will be solved when MI5's files are opened up'.

We also have the admitted involvement of Special Branch in the case, e.g. confronting Martin Grime at Faro Airport, and escorting the McCanns to their home after their return flight from Portugal, and much other evidence of the involvement of the security services in the case - not least the appointment of Henri Exton, the former Head of Covert Intelligence for MI5, by the Directors of the 'Find Madeleine Fund' in March/April 2008. Not forgetting that Exton's two dodgy 'Smithman' e-fits are now 'the centre of our focus' for Operation Grange.

Two journalists separately told me back in 2008 that Clarence Mitchell was on the MI5 payroll.

Can any serious Madeleine McCann researcher afford not to explore the role of MI5 and the other government security services in this case?

_________________
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts
Winston Churchill 
avatar
Bampots

Posts : 2172
Join date : 2014-09-07
Age : 55

Back to top Go down

Re: McCanns dump Clarence Mitchell

Post  candyfloss on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:12 pm

Bampots, you would expect the security services to escort the two arguidos home.  They had just been made arguidos, there was a public backlash which was evident by the booing etc. outside the police station, and subsequent stories in the press.  The police would be very careful to protect anyone in this situation, from the hounding of the press, and the public anger.  We saw what happened with Diana when she was hounded by the press, we know too well the McCann's were huge news all around the world........  people were angry, and who knows what nutters there are out there,  so I would expect such security around them.  The police have to cover themselves in these sort of situations.

MI5 definition

(in the UK) the governmental agency responsible for dealing with internal security

_________________
  
 

  


Sometimes you will never know the true value of a moment until it becomes a memory.......... Dr Seuss
avatar
candyfloss
Admin

Posts : 10303
Join date : 2014-08-18
Age : 64

Back to top Go down

Page 6 of 7 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum