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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 1:48 pm

Thanks Andrew, just at work so I'll watch it tonight.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 2:46 pm

chrissie wrote:Thanks Andrew, just at work so I'll watch it tonight.

No worries. Let us know what you think when you do.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 2:50 pm

Did you ask your mother, Unreorganised?

I'm sure she would've remembered if you only had 2..

And then you disappeared with them.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  unreorganised on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 2:54 pm

Andrew wrote:Did you ask your mother, Unreorganised?

I'm sure she would've remembered if you only had 2..

And then you disappeared with them.

We went to Morrisons. I picked up a toy car and asked her if we buried it in the garden and then dug it up in twenty five years, could she have me declared legally dead. She called me a few names. Our relationship is like that.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Freedom on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 2:59 pm

My son is still at the embarrassed-to-be-seen-anywhere-in-public-with-his-mother stage so no jaunts to the supermarket for us.

These discrepancies with what should be easy to recall factual events are worrying; there is more in common with the McCanns than I ever thought at first.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 3:25 pm

unreorganised wrote:
Andrew wrote:Did you ask your mother, Unreorganised?

I'm sure she would've remembered if you only had 2..

And then you disappeared with them.

We went to Morrisons. I picked up a toy car and asked her if we buried it in the garden and then dug it up in twenty five years, could she have me declared legally dead. She called me a few names. Our relationship is like that.

Ha. Yeah can relate to that.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chirpyinsect on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 4:25 pm

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chrissie wrote:Thanks Andrew, just at work so I'll watch it tonight.

No worries. Let us know what you think when you do.

I have a suspicion that finding the duplo car was a set up. A nice lead in to mentioning the cars Ben had. The reason I say that is Eddie had passed the spot and wasn't even looking down, then suddenly he goes back.
Not saying that means anything other than the film-maker creating a nice little pastiche.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 4:40 pm

Personally, I find the whole toy car episode absolutely bizarre.

Which ever way you want to look at it.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 5:01 pm

A random question, but what does KN do for a profession....

In the last 25 years.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Freedom on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 6:15 pm

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/style/fashion/trends/article82841.ece

In 2008 she was working with her then husband. What, if anything, she does now, I don't know.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 6:34 pm

Grist.......

Anyone heard that before.

I've not.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Heisenburg on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 6:50 pm

Andrew wrote:Grist.......

Anyone heard that before.

I've not.


Grist to the mill.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  canada12 on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 6:53 pm

Andrew wrote:According to the 'somebody knows' documentary, Ben only ever had 2 toy cars. 2 toy cars that disappeared with him the day he vanished. 2 toy cars that Grandad didn't know anything about until 10 years later and 2 toy cars that Grandma didn't even give a second thought about until 10 years later.

Work that one out....

I hate to say it but if Grandad says he didn't know anything about the cars until 10 years later and Grandma didn't give a second thought to them until 10 years later, even though Mum knew about them and must have talked about them...

Is it possible that Grandad and Grandma are trying to sow doubt about the car belonging to Ben precisely because they DON'T want the car identified as belonging to Ben... because.... (work it out).....

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 7:45 pm

The toy car to me, was/is a big deal.

Don't believe some of the half ass crap since.

And the toy car is now the focus.

Watch said doc.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 7:52 pm

canada12 wrote:
Andrew wrote:According to the 'somebody knows' documentary, Ben only ever had 2 toy cars. 2 toy cars that disappeared with him the day he vanished. 2 toy cars that Grandad didn't know anything about until 10 years later and 2 toy cars that Grandma didn't even give a second thought about until 10 years later.

Work that one out....

I hate to say it but if Grandad says he didn't know anything about the cars until 10 years later and Grandma didn't give a second thought to them until 10 years later, even though Mum knew about them and must have talked about them...

Is it possible that Grandad and Grandma are trying to sow doubt about the car belonging to Ben precisely because they DON'T want the car identified as belonging to Ben... because.... (work it out).....


Sounds like a riddle. Will try and work it out tomorrow.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 8:07 pm

@Andrew Was looking for the link to the documentary. Is this the right one?

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  canada12 on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 8:25 pm

Grandad and Grandma know what happened to Ben. And they don't want his body found. In my opinion.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 8:50 pm

Chrissie... Yes.

Canada... Yes.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Freedom on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 9:08 pm

Andrew wrote:Grist.......

Anyone heard that before.

I've not.


I knew that Kerry's name was Grist at one time. I don't know if it's in her book but she was known by that name in newspaper articles during her marriage.

P.S. It is in the book.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R2u9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=craig+grist&source=bl&ots=v7W__CBseJ&sig=cQWX1x4ZPizZ5zbnQ7_HVAF8MGA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi39_iDm-rPAhXhAMAKHeb1DQw4ChDoAQgiMAI#v=onepage&q=craig%20grist&f=false


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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 9:08 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
Andrew wrote:
chrissie wrote:Thanks Andrew, just at work so I'll watch it tonight.

No worries. Let us know what you think when you do.

I have a suspicion that finding the duplo car was a set up. A nice lead in to mentioning the cars Ben had. The reason I say that is Eddie had passed the spot and wasn't even looking down, then suddenly he goes back.
Not saying that means anything other than the film-maker creating a nice little pastiche.

I agree with you there.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 9:13 pm

Andrew wrote:Chrissie... Yes.

Canada... Yes.

Very strange about the cars. They suddenly come across a car and Grandma immediately says 'That's not Ben's'. Then goes on to say that she had forgotten about them until Granddad just mentioned it and Granddad never knew anything about them at all. Seems staged to me as Chirpy said.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  PMR on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 10:19 pm

I've had a thought, perhaps some of the family know what happened to Ben ,as do the Police. The police can't prove what they know ,so have come up with a story to try to get the family who are in on what happened to incriminate themselves ?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 10:44 pm

Has Danny ever spoke of what happened that day? I know he was only 11 at the time but he would be late 30's now yet I haven't seen anything from him?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  wjk on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 10:50 pm

I think Eddie was taken on to site1 for a reason and it wasn't to ask him if it was the same concrete that he'd laid.
I bet he was being watched very closely for a reaction imo.
That was my first thoughts when I heard Eddie was going onto the dig site fwiw.

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Post  canada12 on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 11:02 pm

wjk wrote:I think Eddie was taken on to site1 for a reason and it wasn't to ask him if it was the same concrete that he'd laid.
I bet he was being watched very closely for a reaction imo.
That was my first thoughts when I heard Eddie was going onto the dig site fwiw.

Exactly what I thought.
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