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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 1:04 pm

I'm just wondering why they had a replica made of the sandals he was wearing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-cops-resume-search-8955119
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 1:05 pm

chrissie wrote:I'm just wondering why they had a replica made of the sandals he was wearing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-cops-resume-search-8955119

You know I thought exactly the same when they were being made, why would that have to be done?

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Bampots on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 1:06 pm

What a heartache for the family.... just who are these policemen looking after.....their own resources by closure ?,because it certainly doesnt seem to be Kerry whose intèvè....she has been put through the Mill....can we expect similar treatment of the McCanns? Will they dash their hope of finding Maddie alive......or  is it a plan for endgame?

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  froggy on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 1:34 pm

“My team and I know that machinery, including a large digger, was used to clear an area of land on 24 July 1991, behind the farmhouse that was being renovated by the Needham’s. It is my professional belief that Ben Needham died as a result of an accident near to the farmhouse in Iraklis where he was last seen playing."

The wording is interesting because it doesn't indicate what sort of accident, nor does it state outright that the digger was involved. Readers are led,  by implication, to the idea that the digger operator was to blame, even though they don't actually say that.
A convenient ending for the police.

I wonder how many will actually believe that?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  candyfloss on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 2:21 pm

Updated recently.  The pictures of Kerry and family are truly heartbreaking Crying or Very sad


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/detectives-find-item-belonging-ben-9061983

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 3:02 pm

Will they ever announce what this particular item of interest is then, that in there view confirms Ben is dead...?

If I was Kerry then I'd be demanding them to pick up their tools and going over it again. Or literally doing it myself.

How can they find something of 'significant interest' but then just to wrap it all up without continuing further...?
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 3:07 pm

First I've heard of this.... Has anyone else?

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British investigators are still searching for the JCB digger that they believe ran over and killed Ben.
DI Cousins told MailOnline: 'We have not been able to find Dinos' [Barkas] digger. The digger left the island six or seven years ago.
'It was taken to [Greek commercial port] Piraeus where there are over a dozen building plant firms.
'Dinos sold it in a part exchange for another newer digger. It would have been recommissioned and sold on. Even a 30 year old JCB digger is worth more than €30,000.
'We thought we had traced it to Egypt but it was not Dinos' digger. 'We are still looking for it.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3842412/I-t-say-goodbye-knowing-s-Mother-missing-Ben-Needham-says-want-tear-Greek-island-search-son-closes.html

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 3:41 pm

It would mean what is said this Mirror article is completely made up, Andrew: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-police-say-this-8871453

Last week the Mirror found the giant earthmover believed to have being used by Dino.

The rusting yellow digger is located in a field outside a village seven miles from where little Ben went missing.

It still clearly has the “Barkas” family name painted – in Greek - on both sides.

It is so big the bucket is over eight feet tall.

John Alevroyiannis / Daily MirrorStefanos Troumouhis, 33, pictured at the field, near to where Ben Needham disappearedMirror man Andy Lines with Stefanos
South Yorkshire Police already know the digger potentially involved in Ben’s death is still in operation on the island.

Detectives have seen, and examined, it in recent months. All Dino’s family still insist he was innocent.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  froggy on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 3:50 pm

That sounds more like a dumper than a digger. It would be normal practice to unload the contents of a digger shovel into a dumper for removal to another site.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 4:59 pm

Yes, TTWO, Well it certainly seems that way.

Froggy, both articles are describing the digger. Not a dumper truck (unless very much mistaken).

I can't recall DI Cousins saying anything on the televised briefings in what he told the mailonline. In fact I can't recall him mentioning the actual digger much at all (apart from Dino was driving it and Ben had an accident).

Why does nothing seem to add up. Well it doesn't to me anyway.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 6:35 pm

Andrew wrote:Yes, TTWO, Well it certainly seems that way.

Froggy, both articles are describing the digger. Not a dumper truck (unless very much mistaken).

I can't recall DI Cousins saying anything on the televised briefings in what he told the mailonline. In fact I can't recall him mentioning the actual digger much at all (apart from Dino was driving it and Ben had an accident).

Why does nothing seem to add up. Well it doesn't to me anyway.

It simply doesn't even when doing basic research into the case. Nobody really seems to be questioning anything and frankly I won't be wasting my time if nobody in the media outside of the tabloids highlights any of the obvious contradictions. I see Duncan Wood has been silent on twitter since before the final press briefing. May be he is now on his way home but I'd love to know what he really thinks about all this because he has followed this case from the beginning I think.

As for Dino's mysterious digger even that basic information is confusing. DI Cousins is quoted in the Mail calling it specifically a JCB digger. JCB is a brand like Ford and the digger/excavator the Mirror said they tracked down is a Liebherr 952. We can't rely on the tabloid media clearly (not that that is anything new) so what I would like is a lot more info direct from SYP or a journalist outside the tabloids to ask some hard questions.

I doubt it we'll get that now, though.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  chrissie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 6:41 pm

I keep thinking there must be more information which we are not privy to but maybe Kerry is. I can't believe that after all this time she is accepting what they are saying probably happened in their professional opinion.
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  canada12 on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 6:41 pm

A thought. If the Greek police say they thoroughly searched those sites in 1991 without finding anything then one of two things has happened:

1. The Greek police missed what SY has just found
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2. Ben's body was moved back into that site after the Greek police had searched the site and found nothing.
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Post  Bampots on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 6:56 pm

It really does stagger one as to how complicit everyone has been with the outcome today.....the police seem to be saying "trust us we cant prove anything  but we know  what happened"!  Kerry capitulates with the police line.....the media reports the official line ...

Will Kerry add anything more...  will the media ask questions.....will a similar thing happen this time next year in another country? It could very well work...couldnt it

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 7:46 pm

I for one would be wanting more than a car, fabric or shoe buckle, even a fragment to be totally at peace. I guess Madeleine has that extra voice in Gonçalo Amaral.

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Post  Bampots on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 8:53 pm

I hope Amarals enough DDL. The past few days have been full of shouting and screaming abuse at conspiraloons CMOMM ....I've even seen some one dis Chirpinsect for a comment made here on our little forum! All the while trotting out the line that by and large despite a few bad eggs the police are doing a good job in difficult circumstances. Really.....letting the accusations about Dino out in the open,giving them credence and informing the mother of a missing child that he probably killed him is a travesty of justice. Is this really the best that we can do? We shout for justice for one child while accepting the half baked theory for another!
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:17 pm

The only thing I can think of is that Kerry has been told more, she must have been. Surely after 25yrs of thinking and feeling he's definitely out there, she wouldn't settle with one statement years later and the polices belief. I'd need more if it was me. Though in the end, she still doesn't know where he is.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:25 pm

Bampots wrote:I hope Amarals enough DDL. The past few days have been full of shouting and screaming abuse at conspiraloons CMOMM ....I've even seen some one dis Chirpinsect for a comment made here on our little forum! All the while trotting out the line that by and large despite a few bad eggs the police are doing a good job in difficult circumstances. Really.....letting the accusations about Dino out in the open,giving them credence and informing the mother of a missing child that he probably killed him is a travesty of justice. Is this really the best that we can do? We shout for justice for one child while accepting the half baked theory for another!
Shame!

Must be in a member's only thread but it wouldn't be the first time I've been singled out. Bothered...not. At least people here come up with new stuff to discuss sometimes.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  candyfloss on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:31 pm

I think Bampots may be referring to Cristobell's blog chirpy, someone has quoted you on there.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Bampots on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:39 pm

I was CF but tried to avoid the blessed ones name for fear of starting a riot!

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Post  chirpyinsect on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 9:41 pm

candyfloss wrote: I think Bampots may be referring to Cristobell's blog chirpy, someone has quoted you on there.

Thanks CF. Nice person. And I have a very good idea who it was.

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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  candyfloss on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 10:16 pm

A toy car found.....




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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 10:26 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1995798/ben-needhams-mum-told-son-is-dead-after-his-matchbox-car-is-dug-up/
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Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 10:28 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-toy-car-discovered-9066437
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Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Post  Andrew on Mon 17 Oct 2016, 10:45 pm

So nobody else has ever owned and lost a similar toy car (that was bought in Kos and probably pretty popular amongst youngsters).

Who did that other toy car that Eddie randomly found belong to on that video at the farmhouse.

Not exactly convincing especially when Eddie didn't (allegedly) know about Ben's toy cars even going missing until 10 years down the line.

So they found one but not the other then.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.
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