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Post  Mimi on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 1:01 pm


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Post  Antonia on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 1:11 pm

Is Kate McCann a feminist?
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Post  Winslow Boy on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 1:58 pm

Mimi wrote:But there`s no way a certificate can change their chromosomes surely, i.e. female = XX and male = XY. No matter how many bits they chop off or add, every cell in their body will always carry an XX or an XY even if they had male or female hormones injected.  Something must have gone wrong somewhere along the way, unless this is evolution at work and we`ll all end up with that syndrome in about ten million years time.

Nature or Nurture ? Is it in the genes or are people pre-determined by the way of their childhood environment ? Is it all a conspiracy, divide and conquer.
No more are we just man and woman, Heterosexuals, Bi sexuals, A Sexuals,Homosexuals,Lesbians.transgenders,etc.etc. etc. All legalised now. Children learning about the birds and bees at very early ages and plastered all over the Internet. Who governs what we see and don't see. If it's common place on tv and social media then the Government have sanctioned it. Wasn't it the MP led PIE group who, correct me if I'm wrong, wanted the age limit for sex to be lowered to 4, yes FOUR. Isn't Paedophilia just another sexual trait, after all you can't help your sexuality ? And who protects the children - Government led Homes for Orphans, Social Workers employed by the Government, Foster Parents selected by the Government system. Who looked after the children in the Homes and Hospitals, people like Jimmy Saville given access by the Government. Why didn't all the people who knew what was going on speak up why he was alive,why didn't our GovernmentS stop him. They must have known, he had access to Royalty so his background would have been known by those that needed to take action.
Paedophilia the next " in thing".

I feel sorry for the Homosexuals ( Male), they had to hide their sexuality by being "normal" Marry women have children etc. so that they wouldn't be " found out ". Now they can be out in the open and live how they want to live, which is a good thing. But now, if they don't have IVF with a surrogate Mother does that gene die with them, the extinction of that species.

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Post  Mimi on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 7:16 pm

Antonia wrote:Is Kate McCann a feminist?

I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

She`s obviously gone for a man`s man who is dominant. Some women like to be dominated. She always presents herself as demure and the poor little woman in the relationship.

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Post  Mimi on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 7:30 pm

Winslow Boy wrote:
Mimi wrote:But there`s no way a certificate can change their chromosomes surely, i.e. female = XX and male = XY. No matter how many bits they chop off or add, every cell in their body will always carry an XX or an XY even if they had male or female hormones injected.  Something must have gone wrong somewhere along the way, unless this is evolution at work and we`ll all end up with that syndrome in about ten million years time.

Nature or Nurture ? Is it in the genes or are people pre-determined by the way of their childhood environment ? Is it all a conspiracy, divide and conquer.
No more are we just man and woman, Heterosexuals, Bi sexuals, A Sexuals,Homosexuals,Lesbians.transgenders,etc.etc. etc. All legalised now. Children learning about the birds and bees at very early ages and plastered all over the Internet. Who governs what we see and don't see. If it's common place on tv and social media then the Government have sanctioned it. Wasn't it the MP led PIE group who, correct me if I'm wrong, wanted the age limit for sex to be lowered to 4, yes FOUR. Isn't Paedophilia just another sexual trait, after all you can't help your sexuality ? And who protects the children - Government led Homes for Orphans, Social Workers employed by the Government, Foster Parents selected by the Government system. Who looked after the children in the Homes and Hospitals, people like Jimmy Saville given access by the Government. Why didn't all the people who knew what was going on speak up why he was alive,why didn't our GovernmentS stop him. They must have known, he had access to Royalty so his background would have been known by those that needed to take action.
Paedophilia the next " in thing".

I feel sorry for the Homosexuals ( Male), they had to hide their sexuality by being "normal" Marry women have children etc. so that they wouldn't be " found out ". Now they can be out in the open and live how they want to live, which is a good thing. But now, if they don't have IVF with a surrogate Mother does that gene die with them, the extinction of that species.

Sorry if this is off thread.



I don`t believe all these variations are genetic. A man is XY and a woman XX in every cell of their body - it cannot be altered. I believe nurture, personality and environmental stressors these days have a lot to do with it.

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Post  Freedom on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 1:40 pm

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Post  Antonia on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 1:54 pm

yes, I thought that article was a breath of fresh air.

I would hate to be a man in any work place now. Any politeness, complement can be misinterpreted and the sisters will be after him.
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Post  Winslow Boy on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 7:53 pm

Antonia wrote:yes, I thought that article was a breath of fresh air.

I would hate to be a man in any work place now. Any politeness, complement can be misinterpreted and the sisters will be after him.

All very well for a woman who's Husband was a good friend of Maggie Thatcher, she could voice her opinion and get away with it, or fall back on her husband's wealth. What about the men/women who need the job and money to live. They know that if they say something they will be swallowed up and spat out before they can say P45.
"Most importantly, of course, this hue and cry belittles real sex crimes. Rape is a terrible, violent injustice. A pat on the bottom is not." her quote.
I beg to differ, why should any person be " felt up " against their wishes. This will continue,as with a bully, with more unwanted touching, maybe a squeeze of the old boobies, just high jinks she would say, and then a very funny unescapable grope. Going to work day after day not knowing when or where you are going to be molested, the mental stress would be unbelievable. The women/men who need the job to live or feed their family will not say anything unless they have other options, and that is why they speak out years later when they are away from that situation. Who would have believed them at the time, more importantly who would have done anything about it ?



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Post  Mimi on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 8:30 pm

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Antonia wrote:yes, I thought that article was a breath of fresh air.

I would hate to be a man in any work place now. Any politeness, complement can be misinterpreted and the sisters will be after him.

All very well for a woman who's Husband was a good friend of Maggie Thatcher, she could voice her opinion and get away with it, or fall back on her husband's wealth. What about the men/women who need the job and money to live. They know that if they say something they will be swallowed up and spat out before they can say P45.
"Most importantly, of course, this hue and cry belittles real sex crimes. Rape is a terrible, violent injustice. A pat on the bottom is not." her quote.
I beg to differ, why should any person be " felt up " against their wishes. This will continue,as with a bully, with more unwanted touching, maybe a squeeze of the old boobies, just high jinks she would say, and then a very funny unescapable grope. Going to work day after day not knowing when or where you are going to be molested, the mental stress would be unbelievable. The women/men who need the job to live or feed their family will not say anything unless they have other options, and that is why they speak out years later when they are away from that situation. Who would have believed them at the time, more importantly who would have done anything about it ?

Obviously no one against their wishes. I took it that she meant the general playfulness amongst work colleagues. Anyway anything unwanted can soon be nipped in the bud by a scold ....... or a smack in the mouth. A manager was once a bit familiar with me when I was young and I seriously said I didn`t like it.

Does anyone actually have to go to work today worrying about whether they will be molested? Have they never heard the words `get off` or `no thank you` or `p*** off perv` or a pepper spray right in the face.

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Post  Winslow Boy on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 9:19 pm

Still happens Mimi, I've witnessed strong women crying because of the treatment they've received, but won't report it because it will affect their career. Without witnesses who's going to believe them, a smack in the mouth or pepper spray, evidence there, you would get the sack. A Boss running a department and making money or a ten-a-penny underling, who would they get rid off ?

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Post  chirpyinsect on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 12:27 pm

It does still happen but just ignoring an invasion of personal space only encourages the behaviour. The person who thinks of a pat on the bum or squeezing past too closely as just office banter needs to be told it isn't acceptable. If they persist then they should be warned that you will report them. I'm not buying the fear thing here. Most companies would not dare ignore an office sex pest scandal.
The problem, as I see it, is that if you wait years to report this then you run the risk of people not believing you. Too many women have jumped on the bandwagon before now.
I ran a pub and hotel back in the day and there is not a single chat up line, sexual innuendo or lewd comment I haven't heard. Anyone who stepped out of line (and everyone's lines are different. Mine are reasonably liberal) got the Chirpy put down, but then I'm no shrinking violet.
If women stopped behaving like victims then such behaviour could be stamped out. Ridicule is pretty effective.

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Post  Freedom on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:01 pm

Not everyone is able to stand up to bullies - I'm glad that you were able to, Chirpy.

I haven't encountered sexual harassment myself - maybe a bit of patronising behaviour years ago but attitudes were different then.

I have had problems with bullies though; that probably has its roots in my childhood when the attitude was if you get punished at school, you must have deserved it and you don't want your parents to find out about it.

It has never been easy for me to stand up to people, whether in a business or domestic situation.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 5:15 pm

No not everyone in every situation can face up to bullies or the like but it has to be voiced if you find the behaviour threatening or offensive not cast up years later. It does no favours to others to hope it will go away. Sometimes people don't even realise their jokes or touches are offensive. If they have been used to a liberal situation in the past they may be unaware that not every woman likes being the recipient of bawdy humour or inappropriate contact.
We also need to teach our sons and daughters to be respectful of others.

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Post  Châtelaine on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 5:34 pm

Some 40 years ago I was one of the " Old Boys" literally. No woman then had partaken in this league yet, but I could argue with them and was accepted because I could drink them under the table, literally and gained respect :-) But, of course, my arguments [and some of my good-lookings ...] were the main aspect ...
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Post  Mimi on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 8:42 pm

Ha ha - applause for Anne Widdicombe

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/926125517933240320

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Post  Châtelaine on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:09 pm

And that's exactly what I meant ...
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Post  Freedom on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 9:36 am

I like Ann Widdicombe - she does come out with some sensible comments.

Here's a link to an article criticising Birmingham City FC for allowing their premises to be used by men's rights activists.

http://www.football365.com/news/questions-for-birmingham-city-over-links-to-controversial-political-party

The comments in response are good.

P.S. I've heard that BC FC has cancelled the booking and that the party will sue them for breach of contract.
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