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Post  Heisenburg on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 8:45 pm

Don't know if it was deliberate but a clue in the mail crossword today was cadaver,answer being corpse,seems a weird coincidence,also the paper version today said that Og can continue til August!
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Post  Mimi on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 10:28 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:"4 - I have not only read the police files I was in Portugal when they were released & oversaw their translation #mccann"

I thought "oversaw" meant some form of authority? Or someone slightly higher up?

He`s a journo - this is how they go on - most are bottom feeders who love to, not only exaggerate every tit-bit they scoop up, but also exaggerate their own importance and make out they are `in the know`.

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Post  Andrew on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 10:32 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2238940/madeleine-mccann-what-happened-disappearance-sightings/

THE HUNT GOES ON When did Madeleine McCann disappear, what are the latest developments, how old would she be now and who is Goncalo Amaral?

Maddie's parents have lost their court appeal to silence former policeman Amaral

BY NEAL BAKER AND MARK HODGE 1st February 2017, 4:45 pm

THE case of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is still shrouded in mystery as investigators continue to hunt for the tragic girl.

Now her parents Gerry and Kate McCann have lost their latest court appeal to silence a former cop who claims they covered up their daughter’s death.

Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, when her family, from Leicestershire, were holidaying in the Algarve.

Parents Gerry and Kate left their three children – including toddler twins Sean and Amelie – sleeping in their apartment while they dined at a nearby tapas bar.

When Kate returned to check on the kids at around 10pm that evening she discovered that Maddie was not in her bed and was missing.

In September of that year Gerry and Kate, who are both doctors, were sensationally named as ‘arguidos’ by Portuguese police.

While arguido is often translated as ‘suspect’ it actually means a person being questioned under caution.

The following summer the McCanns were cleared by investigators in Portugal who declared they had exhausted all avenues in the case.

In 2010, Maddie’s distraught parents met with then-home secretary Theresa May to talk about the hunt for their daughter.

The following year, Scotland Yard launched its own review, named Operation Grange, into the case at the behest of the future PM.

In April 2012, UK cops released a computer generated image of Maddie showing what she would look like aged nine.

Two years later Scotland Yard said it had uncovered new leads while Portuguese police reopened their case.

In October 2015, Operation Grange was scaled down from 29 detectives to just four.

Last December, the Tory government injected extra funding into the operation as cops investigate a new theory that Maddie was snatched by a human trafficking ring.

Why were the McCanns trying to stop the book from being published?

Portuguese Supreme Court judges upheld the decision from last April to reverse the McCann’s 2015 libel win against Goncalo Amaral.

The hearing took place in private in Lisbon on January 31, 2017.

The couple could now face a huge legal bill, which had been frozen until the outcome of the final appeal.

Amaral was ordered to pay Kate and Gerry £430,000 plus interest in damages after losing round one of their libel battle in April 2015 over his hurtful book ‘The Truth of the Lie.’

Appeal judges reversed the initial ruling by a court in Lisbon in April last year, siding with the former police chief and overturning a ban on his book.

The decision sparked a fresh appeal by the McCanns to the country’s highest law court.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte lodged the couple’s new appeal last May after vowing to fight the U-turn by judges over Amaral’s book.

Criticising the ruling in favour of the ex-police chief, which a friend of the McCanns said had left them “seething,” she said: “This decision was an appreciation of the law and not the facts.

“We can appeal to the Supreme Court which we will do as we have instructions from our clients.”

What are the claims in Goncalo Amaral’s book?

In the book, it is claimed that Maddie had died in their holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy.

The book was released just three days after Gerry and Kate were told their status as formal suspects had been lifted on July 21 2008.

Amaral is understood to have earned £344,000 from his book before it was banned and a subsequent TV documentary.

The McCanns told the Lisbon court staging the Amaral libel trial in the summer of 2014 they were left “devastated and crushed” by his allegations.


Madeleine McCann search scaled back
How many alleged sightings of Maddie have there been?

Potential sightings of the British three-year old followed up by British cops total 8,685 across 101 countries and territories, a Freedom of Information request by The Sun showed in October.

And there have been countless supposed sightings of Maddie if speculation such as that surrounding 'Maria' is included.

Most serious were the alleged sightings in the hours and days following Madeleine's disappearance.

On the night she was taken police received two separate potential sightings from members of the public -- however one was fully ruled out as being a holidaymaker with his daughter.

There were six reported sightings between 4-17 May in Portugal, including CCTV footage that showed a girl matching Maddie's description with two men and a woman at a petrol station in the town of Nelas.

Over the border in Spain there have been three reported sightings -- the latest being in April 2012 -- but all have been ruled out.

There have been roughly eight major alleged sightings in Morocco, two of which were in the immediate few days after her disappearance, leading to an Interpol investigation which was quickly closed.

British police have also been in the country chasing leads in the investigation.

Beyond these three counties there have been numerous alleged sightings across the world, including two in Belgium and New Zealand, six in Brazil, one in Bosnia, Sweden and India and many more.

There were as many as 29 in Malta in the month after the disappearance which led to the capital Valletta being briefly locked down.


PSYCHIC claims to have solved Madeleine McCann mystery
One of the most serious potential sightings in Amsterdam was revealed when Portuguese police released their case files in August 2008.

It showed a girl of blonde girl of Madeleine's age and description told a shopkeeper her name was "Maddie" and she had been "taken from mummy".

The McCann's were not made aware of this alleged sighting at the time it was reported to police and it is not clear how if at all investigators followed it up.

The Portuguese case files contained a 14-page section listing potential sightings across the world in only the year since she disappeared.

Leicestershire Police released their tip-off files to the McCann's in July 2008 containing 81 reported sightings in the first year of the investigation.
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Post  Bampots on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:12 am

Parents of Maddie McCann fear a controversial book about the missing tot could be published in the UK.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 2nd February 2017


Kate and Gerry McCann already face a huge legal bill after a failed attempt to sue its author Goncalo Amaral.

Maddie vanished during a 2007 family holiday in Portugal, aged three.

Former police officer Mr Amaral hopes to have his account of the case published abroad following his court win in his native Portugal.

His book accuses the McCanns of covering up their daughter’s death, an allegation they have strongly denied.


The McCanns’ lawyers have warned they will take action against anyone who tries to release it in the UK.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/584498/Madeleine-McCann-parents-kate-gerry-fear-ex-cop-Goncalo-Amaral-book-published-uk

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Post  chirpyinsect on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 7:12 am

Oh now it's MR Amaral.

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Post  AndyB on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 8:04 am

Bampots wrote:Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.
That does raise the interesting question as to what effect, if any, the Portuguese supreme court judgement has on the McCanns ability to use the English libel courts to stop the book being published.
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Post  canada12 on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 8:10 am

Excellent news on the appeal!
If the McCanns are stomping and fuming about the possibility of sueing anyone who publishes Mr Amaral's book in the UK it does raise some rather interesting questions about the bleating refrain that the judgement could wipe them out financially. It costs money to launch lawsuits. With a judgement against them and a possible pending lawsuit from Mr Amaral, what legal entity in their right mind in the UK would take the McCanns on as clients now?
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Post  unreorganised on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 8:14 am

canada12 wrote:Excellent news on the appeal!
If the McCanns are stomping and fuming about the possibility of sueing anyone who publishes Mr Amaral's book in the UK it does raise some rather interesting questions about the bleating refrain that the judgement could wipe them out financially. It costs money to launch lawsuits. With a judgement against them and a possible pending lawsuit from Mr Amaral, what legal entity in their right mind in the UK would take the McCanns on as clients now?

Any crowdfunding attempts on their part would be a good measure of public sentiment.
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Post  Mo on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 8:46 am

Snipped

The McCanns’ lawyers have warned they will take action against anyone who tries to release it in the UK.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.”


I doubt very much that Clarence Mitchell has said this recently. These comments were published a long time ago when the Mc's won their case to have the book banned.
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Post  froggy on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 9:17 am

AndyB wrote:
Bampots wrote:Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.
That does raise the interesting question as to what effect, if any, the Portuguese supreme court judgement has on the McCanns ability to use the English libel courts to stop the book being published.

On line versions already exist and English law couldn't stop it being published in English outside UK and being sold over the internet to all countries, possibly even by Amazon.
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Post  Andrew on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 9:22 am

Mo wrote:Snipped

The McCanns’ lawyers have warned they will take action against anyone who tries to release it in the UK.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.”


I doubt very much that Clarence Mitchell has said this recently. These comments were published a long time ago when the Mc's won their case to have the book banned.

Yes, I would say that particular part is a copy and paste job from sometime ago.

Or just maybe Clarence the clown has dusted down his cape and flown in to try and save the day.

Hopefully the McCann's lawyers won't even be answering the phone to them, let alone anything else, if there's no money left in the coffers to pay the fees.
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Post  canada12 on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 9:28 am

Andrew wrote:
Mo wrote:Snipped

The McCanns’ lawyers have warned they will take action against anyone who tries to release it in the UK.

Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “If it does appear, whoever is responsible will be sued.”


I doubt very much that Clarence Mitchell has said this recently. These comments were published a long time ago when the Mc's won their case to have the book banned.

Yes, I would say that particular part is a copy and paste job from sometime ago.

Or just maybe Clarence the clown has dusted down his cape and flown in to try and save the day.

Hopefully the McCann's lawyers won't even be answering the phone to them, let alone anything else, if there's no money left in the coffers to pay the fees.

I agree about the copy and paste job. I think the press are just dredging up the old comments to keep the story going.
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Post  Bampots on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 9:38 am

Or somebody else is? Recent stories have been sourced as a friend ......Clarence has supposedly been dropped.....more rubbish to make people believe they are in the circle and not standing outside watching along with the rest of us!

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Post  Mo on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 9:57 am

It's Jerry Lawton stirring things up following his flurry of tweets. The Mc's will be in the papers now for quite some time - all the others news agencies will/are following quoting the Daily Star. Not sure the Mc's have the money to sue anybody unless their backer BK is going to add to the pot.
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Post  candyfloss on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 10:16 am

Mo wrote:It's Jerry Lawton stirring things up following his flurry of tweets. The Mc's will be in the papers now for quite some time - all the others news agencies will/are following quoting the Daily Star. Not sure the Mc's have the money to sue anybody unless their backer BK is going to add to the pot.

No they won't have much money left at all. They are not endearing themselves to the public and losing any last remaining supporters with this constant word 'SUE' bandied about. It sounds like all they think about is money, and people don't like that one bit. Plus of course, by saying such things people will not contribute any further to the fund, knowing full well it will go on yet more lawyers.

I think they believe by just having this printed it will 'scare off' the media and they will dare not print anything or a publisher take on the book, they are probably right, although I do feel there is certainly a noticeable change in the last few months.

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Post  Andrew on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 10:37 am

Another Daily Star / Jerry Lawton piece has just come out:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/584498/Madeleine-McCann-parents-kate-gerry-fear-ex-cop-Goncalo-Amaral-book-published-uk

I didn't click on the original link so not sure how or if it is any different?
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Post  froggy on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 10:59 am

It's good they should feel fear as that is what Kate wished for Amaral.
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Post  Poe on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 11:08 am

This is wonderful!

The more threats that are made, the more people will want to read the book that was banned to see what all the fuss is about.

Perhaps that's why the press are stirring the hornet's nest.

BTW - Has anybody else noticed that Kate doesn't seem to be as angry these days? At every real or faked setback we would be told of Kate's "fury" but  after losing this case (the biggest, genuine, publicised blow) she is merely "seething". Interesting that.
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Post  Andrew on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 11:26 am

http://www.policeprofessional.com/news.aspx?id=28365

Madeleine McCann parents told they cannot sue ex-officer for 'libel disappearance book'
02 Feb 2017

The parents of missing toddler Madeleine McCann say they are "disappointed" after a court threw out their libel case against a police officer who alleged they were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

Portugal’s Supreme Court has ruled Kate and Gerry McCann cannot sue the former Portuguese detective who initially led the investigation into the child's disappearance.

In 2015, a Lisbon court ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay the Leicestershire couple £430,000 in compensation for the allegations made in his book, Maddie: A Verdade Da Mentire (The Truth of the Lie).

The book was published in 2008, three days after Portuguese police authorities formally closed their inquiry and cleared the McCanns of any wrongdoing.

Mr Amaral argued in his defence that the claims in his book stemmed from the police investigation.

He also noted Portuguese media had already reported the possibility the parents may have played a role in Madeleine’s disappearance.

More than £50,000 was raised in support for the detective, donated via a Go Fund Me page, after he was ordered to pay damages. The McCanns had sought £1 million.

However, an appeals court overturned the court’s decision last year before reaching Portugal's top court.

While the latest Supreme Court ruling is yet to be officially published, lawyers for Mr and Mrs McCann have been informed of its decision.

"What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing," the couple said in a statement.

"It is eight years since we brought the action and in that time the landscape has dramatically changed, namely there is now a joint Metropolitan Police Service-Policia Judiciaria investigation which is what we've always wanted.

"The police in both countries continue to work on the basis that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to physical harm.

"We will, of course, be discussing the implications of the Supreme Court ruling with our lawyers in due course."

Madeleine was three when she went missing from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

As well as the book, Mr Amaral later took part in a documentary for Portuguese television in which he claimed that Madeleine was dead, there had been no abduction and the McCanns had hidden her body.
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Post  Mo on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 12:22 pm

Spot on response from Textusa regarding the Sun article

Feb 2017, 09:41:00
A couple of notes to BRITTANY VONOW, NEAL BAKER and GERARD COUZENS:

- Mr Mitchell no longer is the family spokesman. He was fired, remember?

- The funds are until the end of the Fiscal Year, April and not August.

And interesting to note that the couple has to consult with their lawyers about the way ahead but have already, at least so says the article, already done that about suing anyone who dares publish the book in the UK.
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Post  froggy on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 12:35 pm

Poe wrote:This is wonderful!

The more threats that are made, the more people will want to read the book that was banned to see what all the fuss is about.

Perhaps that's why the press are stirring the hornet's nest.

BTW - Has anybody else noticed that Kate doesn't seem to be as angry these days? At every real or faked setback we would be told of Kate's "fury" but  after losing this case (the biggest, genuine, publicised blow) she is merely "seething". Interesting that.


Given her previous anger and fury, I do fear for Cuddlecat's well being.
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Post  Andrew on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 12:51 pm

Thinking about it, then I'm not sure about the whole Mitchell stuff... Being fired and all that. He was thick as thieves with the gruesome twosome for such a long time. Perhaps perverting the course of justice (IMO, if I'm allowed to say that) and making sure his clients (friends) basically get away with things.... And using his media contacts to influence public perception and all that by printing favourable dross in the papers.

Now which ever way you slice it, then he's up to his neck in this scandal and charade and has been since the very beginning. Would he just walk away? Can he just walk away? I don't think so.

The whole stuff a while back (can't remember exact quotes) about the McCann's sacking him was just spin. They might not be paying him but I can certainly see the slimy one 'working' behind the scenes with it all. This recent nonsense about Kate McCann appearing on BGT has his footprints all over it if you ask me... That story was done a while back and primed to go to as soon as the verdict was announced.

No, I can definitely see Clarence Mitchell doing whatever it takes behind the scenes. I personally think Clarence Mitchell is one of the very few ones that knows the exact truth as well of what happened to Madeleine McCann in May 2007.

If they go down then maybe he goes down. He probably has a vested interest here.

Just my opinion etc.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Thu 02 Feb 2017, 1:10 pm

Not exact words but didn't CM say he'd be there for them if and when needed?

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