Madeleine McCann's father warns thousands of heart patients are undergoing needless surgery, which is costing the NHS £60m a year, due to an inaccurate test

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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:52 pm

Andrew wrote:
bluebell wrote:
Andrew wrote:
froggy wrote:The article seems to have disappeared from Mail online front page, though still there if the search facility is used. Did the Mail or maybe someone else not like the comments ?

The person/s who gets paid by the Daily Mail to moderate the comments loves them. Hence why they have not been removed and are still there.


Those comments are so much more interesting than Professor McCann's statements aren't they?     So what he does now is lecture?  Is that correct?   Loves his own voice doesn't he, a job where he can ramble.      Is this  Professorship  to do with his continuing Research Fellowship?  
If I remember correctly his employment was to do with research into MRI etc, absolutely nothing to do with surgery so all these reports of 'heart surgeon' were, quite simply, lies that he has allowed to continue.     imo.

Gerry McCann, Professor of Cardiac Imaging and Honorary Consultant Cardiologist from the University of Leicester Department of Cardiovascular Sciences,

I don't know anything about the medical world etc.

So he doesn't work in a hospital anymore? Is that right?

And he gets paid by Leicester university and not the NHS? Is that right as well?

I thought 'Professor' was a mistype there, Andrew....Alas not: http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

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Post  bluebell on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:06 pm

Andrew wrote:I always found that part of the clip most bizarre. It was almost as if GM got his camera pal (Corner?) to follow him into some random patients room whilst the 'real' doctors were absent and he picked up some stethoscope and they did a very quick shoot when nobody was looking.


I'm sure you are absolutely correct there Andrew. Smile

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Post  Andrew on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:08 pm

Crazy isn't it, TTWO.

He's done pretty well considering he has not been formerly cleared in the involvement of his daughters disappearance. (deleted - accusation)
I mean what the hell do his colleagues and students really think of the 'professor'? Mind you there'll all be gagged so can't say anything anyway.

It's nothing short of a disgrace, which I said as much on the other similar thread. Mad
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Post  canada12 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:26 pm

You can do a search for medical doctors licensed to practice in the UK here:
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/LRMP.asp

You can click on the list and up comes a searchable page - search for McCann Gerald then when you get to that page click on his number and you'll get a little CV of what he's licensed to practice.

You can also click on his registration history.

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Mr Dr Professor Gerald P. McCann...

Post  Rosa canina on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 4:17 am


 
From 2014... Some strange cheque-flapping by Gerry at the end...!

(Kate's wearing what I think of as The Plains of Bihar dress)

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Post  chirpyinsect on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 5:33 am

Rosa canina wrote:
 
From 2014... Some strange cheque-flapping by Gerry at the end...!

(Kate's wearing what I think of as The Plains of Bihar dress)

The man hug at the end was aaaawkward!

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Post  Andrew on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 7:23 am

He was reluctant to hand over that 10 g's. A small amount I suppose to try and buy some popularity and sympathy.

When Madeleine went missing... blah, blah, blah. .

And why is KM chipping in....

A serious subject and worthy cause that gets diluted and ruined even by the presence of the gruesome twosome.

IMO etc.
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Post  unreorganised on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:08 am

I bumped into this a little while ago - not sure if it was mentioned here?

http://www2.le.ac.uk/colleges/medbiopsych/events-1/past-events/another
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Post  Poe on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 10:23 am

Going back to Gerry's latest research.

I wonder how many people are going to die because this was published for all to see in the press. The gist of the articles is that the test used is inaccurate, you have a 1% chance of dying during the operation and a 1% chance of dying without the operation. With those odds, I can people deciding to take their chances and refuse an operation that they need.

I bet Professor McCann is not popular amongst practicing front-line cardiologists.


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Post  froggy on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 11:19 am

In the short to medium term, nothing will change. Any research, particularly if controversial will need to be repeated several times before gaining any acceptance.
There was a news article only the other day about repeatability of research findings and how authors cherry picked finding to support their viewpoint while suppressing unhelpful findings. Therefore all finding should initially be viewed with a degree of scepticism.

That is not so suggest that McCann is not an able academic even if he is a bit of an *rsehole as a human being.
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Post  Poe on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 11:35 am

You are seeing this from the point of view of a cardiologist reading the research.

Imagine you've just had this test, you feel fine but you've been told you needed major heart surgery, then you read this article in the papers. A scared patient's reaction will be to lose trust in their cardiologist who is using what the newspapers claim is a highly flawed test.

This is Gerry McCann putting lives at risk in an attempt to enhance his reputation imo.

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Post  froggy on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 11:50 am

You must remember that flawed or not this is the only test currently available.
McCann hasn't produced any new test, though that would seem to be his goal, he has merely reviewed outcome. Further work might show his work to be flawed also.
If lives are being put at risk, it is tabloids like the DM to blame for giving this piece of work undue publicity. Under normal circumstances it would have had a more learned readership who would recognise its limitations.

While I find it uncomfortable to defend McCann, in this case it is the tabloids to blame for hyping up a minor piece of research because of McCann's notoriety
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Post  Poe on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:11 pm

I completely agree with you.

I'm working on the (possibly wrong) presumption that the research was fed to the media by Gerry, a McCann source or friend of the family since I think it's unlikely that these media outlets trawl through the latest medical research on the off chance of finding something of interest to their readership.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:14 pm

Poe wrote:Going back to Gerry's latest research.

I wonder how many people are going to die because this was published for all to see in the press. The gist of the articles is that the test used is inaccurate, you have a 1% chance of dying during the operation and a 1% chance of dying without the operation. With those odds, I can people deciding to take their chances and refuse an operation that they need.

I bet Professor McCann is not popular amongst practicing front-line cardiologists.


And in the meantime funds might be channelled to other research. Other research that a certain fellow is involved in.

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Post  froggy on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:19 pm

It sounds exactly the sort of thing that Clarence would do in an attempt to counter the recent unfavorable publicity that the McCanns have received.
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Post  Andrew on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:59 pm

Back to the Prof.

Gerry was awarded his first grant as a principal investigator, from the BHF, in 2007

Now was this before or after he was made an Arguido.....?
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Post  Châtelaine on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 1:03 pm

If memory serves me, it was before ...
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Post  candyfloss on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 1:07 pm

Châtelaine wrote:If memory serves me, it was before ...

Yes, I seem to recall before as well.

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Post  Andrew on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 1:21 pm

A heck of an embarrassment for the BHF then (amongst all other connections to the Medical world) for this up and coming Doctor to be involved and suspected in his daughters disappearance.

No wonder GB jumped in to try and sweep it all under the carpet.
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Post  Andrew on Wed 01 Mar 2017, 5:09 pm

A quick gander over yonder and saw this which I thought was interesting. (Courtesy to Jill and the woman who wrote it)

I apologise profusely for being so bloody minded, but the post in msm today that says Gerry has made this great discovery to save the nhs millions surprised me, not usually announced like that so i decided to go digging to find out when he wrote the paper and what the outcome actually was.



What was very very interesting was I couldn't find it easily, but i did find lots of published research papers on the same matter with the same end result from as far back as 2007, and many of them in 2012 but not one of them had his name on them.

So i searched all of the papers he has written and published including ones where he was just tagged on the end, Zilch, nada, not one that he has researched on that topic.

Not to be defeated I searched the whole of the university hospital papers on that topic and viola, i found it. Or did I, what i did find was a press release posted the other day on the subject, saying he led a research group on the aortic stenosis and excercise and what he found , he did this as part of his fellowship for the institute. Now for those who are not familiar with academia, a fellowship is to be made a professor which is what we know he has done, and part of that process he needs to prove he has been actively involved in research and researching research.

So delving even deeper, i did eventually find the research paper which was published 13th feb 2017. However it threw up lots of interesting facts, it was based on a two year study as part of his fellowship. Now fellowhips are post doctoral research grants to become a professor, you undertake research surpervised by other eminent academics and then present it in a lecture to gain a proffessor post. This is exactly what this piece of work was for, he didn't lead it, he was tagged on the end of 21 other leading academics in the field to assist with the research for experience.

There was no remit in the abstract or the study or conclusion to look at costings to the nhs of doing unnecessary surgery. Those permutations came from Gerry on his blog on the uni site where he did two statements as press release on the study.

Why, such low level studies especially as part of your training don't ordinarily warrant press release. Oh but hang on, the initial paper was presented for publication to a heart journal in early 2016 but then had to be re drafted and resubmitted later in the year before it was accepted, this is when he got his professor post, but the paper wasn't publicised until Feb this year..

So to say it looks like yet again he is trying to scam us is an understatement, He has written many many academic papers but of course as it was part of his course this is probably one of the only ones where he is photographed lecturing on it so it is easy to make out it is his work, it wasn't it was part of the process he had to pass.

Now why put a press release on the uni site about this, bigging him up and saying he led it, and his comments about saving money, all this happened in the last 3 yrs and was concluded over a year ago.


Oh hang on is there any significance with the dates, a very active February of the supreme court and msm printing he hadn't been cleared, mm so what can team mccann do when they don't want anything bad said about them, i know, we will put a press release out on that study to show how he is , saving the nhs single handedly £60 million.

Ahh bless his little cotton socks he is so thoughtul/

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/search-results?page=1&q=McCann&SearchSourceType=1

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php…



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Post  candyfloss on Wed 01 Mar 2017, 5:20 pm

Yes, as always we always have a 'goody' story to counteract the bad one.  It has usually been Kate and Missing people, but a change is as good as a rest, Gerry got some PR instead this time.

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Post  bluebell on Wed 01 Mar 2017, 7:45 pm

Thanks for that post from CMOMM Andrew. I won't copy it, too long here (CMOMM are good at copying posts in full to lengthen their threads imo!), but totally agree with that post and great to have a poster investigate GM's latest publicity.

I have no idea how he has hung on to his research fellowship so far. Seems he is piggybacking others, but of course otherwise he loses his grant - and might to actually need to WORK for a salary !! Heaven forbid.




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