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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:11 am

Starting a thread for this as this is being shown tonight at 10pm and discussion/comments can be kept to this thread- here is the trailer...

Andrew wrote:The Sky doc on YouTube:




I've only watched half of it as I recorded it and nodded off late last night in the middle of it. It actually looked really quite good the bit I saw anyway.


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Post  Andrew on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:17 am

Hi, CF.

Could you move my last post over (Sun article about it) to here.

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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:18 am

Andrew wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3419280/searching-for-madeleine-mccann-sky1-documentary/

STILL SEARCHING When is Searching for Madeleine on Sky1, when did Madeleine McCann disappear and what is the documentary about?
On the tenth anniversary of the tots disappearance, Sky1 is set to lift the lid on the investigation

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Post  Andrew on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:22 am

Slightly off topic, but been told that Clarence Mitchell is appearing on Lorraine's sofa tomorrow.
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Post  Freedom on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:43 am

I've had to refresh my memory about the Amsterdam sighting. It sounds like a load of you know what. Would a child really say "she is a stranger, she took me from my mummy".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2506098/Madeleine-McCann-Gerry-and-Kate-learn-of-Amsterdam-sighting.html
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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 9:49 pm

Bumping - on in 10 minutes Sky 1 at 10pm

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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:46 pm

Oh, My. God. On third adverts. This is dynamite. Anyone else watching!?!

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Post  Andrew on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:50 pm

In what way, Dee...

Can you elaborate please?

Dynamite sounds quite explosive. I like it..
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Post  Mo on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:51 pm

I don't have Sky TV will it be on YouTube?


Just remembered it's repeated on Sky news tomorrow (I think) which I can get.


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Post  wjk on Tue 02 May 2017, 10:57 pm

Mo wrote:I don't have Sky TV will it be on YouTube?


Just remembered it's repeated on Sky news tomorrow (I think) which I can get.

Yes, tomorrow at 8pm on Sky News.

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Post  Mo on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:14 pm

wjk wrote:
Mo wrote:I don't have Sky TV will it be on YouTube?


Just remembered it's repeated on Sky news tomorrow (I think) which I can get.

Yes, tomorrow at 8pm on Sky News.
Thanks wjk will watch it then.
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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:29 pm

Here is a short precis from twitter..........

Jason mills‏ @Millsyj73 · 3m3 minutes ago
Wasn't what I expected at all from the sky one show. It was actually quite brilliant #McCann




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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:36 pm

I did notice the Smithman sighting was barely mentioned, which I thought was telling, and also Martin Brunt did say how strange that the McCanns still had the picture of Tannerman on their website even though SY had ruled him out, virtually taking no notice of the SY findings.. (may not be totally accurate)

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Post  Mimi on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:40 pm

I don`t have Sky either so would be interested to hear your opinions.

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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:41 pm

It's a must watch. when it started my heart sank. Brunt, Gamble, Alan Johnson. Great.

But the first half hour focused on events as they happened. Cynicism on the 'dining in the garden' claim. Acknowledgement that UK pressure influenced the Portuguese. Focus on the McCann's distrust of Leicestershire police as well as their own independent investigation being unhelpful.

We had Kruger's search for a body. Oh God, we had the Dogs' video shown of the alerts and the original DNA findings. We had the suggestion that OG's remit was skewed from the off (Colin Sutton, maligned on CMoMM was measured and balanced on this and other stuff). We had the arguido status imposed and the subsequent flee home and pictures of them carrying the twins off the plane. We had the Smithman efits.

To balance we had Summers and Swan and the assertion in conclusion that no evidence was found to charge the McCanns. But there was stuff shown there that has been ignored for years. We also had Mark Rowley reiterating again one final line of enquiry and his reluctance to elaborate. We also had the Portuguese PJ deputy dignified and adamant throughout that their investigation was thorough, measured and continues.

The McCanns were portrayed as muddying the waters as much as being innocent. By BRUNT...

Recorded it. Gonna watch again to see if have got too excited. But the Sun Dogs' video!!!

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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:44 pm

I'm off to bed, but I have to say Colin Sutton was very good tonight, shame he got treated so badly elsewhere. Perhaps he would like to join us here.

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Post  Andrew on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:46 pm

Nice one, Dee.

Sounds really good. Look forward to seeing it.
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Post  Mimi on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:46 pm

Sounds good Dee Coy, thanks. I will try and watch it tomorrow on Sky News.

Just wondered if Sky are feeling guilty about Brenda Leyland and are trying to right a wrong in some way.

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Post  What's_up_doc? on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:54 pm

I agree with DeeCoy it was really quite balanced and Colin Sutton was a breath of fresh air - oh gawed I'm sounding like Lorraine Kelly - need to put ma  wee head down. Night night  Sleep

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Post  espeland on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:57 pm

It'll be interesting to see Panorama's latest thinking tomorrow, in fact it'll be an absorbing evening:

8pm Rerun of tonight's program on Sky News
9pm Panorama on BBC1.

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Post  Bampots on Wed 03 May 2017, 7:09 am

07.06 Brunt on Sky talking about TROLLs yet again!! What is he about....what is his agenda!?

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Post  costello on Wed 03 May 2017, 7:49 am

Courtesy of Alan Vinnicombe FB 'Abduction or Scam'


Alan Vinnicombe
20 mins
The truth didn't see that coming, Colin Sutton MBE
McCanns . Bullocks . Extinguished

Madeleine McCann mystery continues to baffle the world sky1, 2nd may 2017
On the eve of the tragic day 10 years ago, McCann villain Martin Brunt, crime Correspondent for sky tv reveals the truth in a balanced programme that has been missing for 9 long years,
Like the hairline crack in a massive dam, that's held back the facts from the public, with impeccable timing not lost on me, he destroyed the myth of no evidence nothing to answer the man we saw as a trusted sidekick, almost had an epiphany turning on what was perceived as his masters who set him on poor Brenda.
The programme its self, il go over in detail tomorrow,but today after listening to robot top cops epitomised by Met muppet shoved in front of the cameras to state Maddie ' was too young to leave and start a new life on the own'' smash tv moment and I'm sure not the poor fellows own words.
The latest cop, wheeled out who its seemed defended the McCann's last week in the MIRROR.
Colin Sutton, the ex-Scotland Yard policeman who brought triple murderer Levi Bellfield to justice, he was at the very top man in murder cases in SY.
He was offered the Grange job my research shows he would have jumped at this the biggest case in the world for a cop the Everest of policing, he turned it down knowing it was a poison chalish,the McCann's knew from to start they were safe no wonder the smugness!
Take this in please
So a witness telling us the millions were wasted no wonder were thought Grange was a cover up we have been told from the horse's mouth, the man they wanted to run it as whistle blown it,
I can't tell you how brave this is, he's is telling tales out of school he will be in a lot of hot water we need to back him , this is our Gonçalo Amaral moment folks that how big this is the police are now in tatters, found out exposed , we should Demand a inquire right now close it,
Colin Sutton come good,
Skys Crime + Investigation interviewed him months ago he said this to reporter Emma Short,
''Are there any unsolved cases across the world that you would be interested in tackling?''
''Not now, I am too happy being retired! But had the Madeline McCann review come my way before retirement I would have stayed to complete that; it is the greatest mystery of our generation, and despite its obvious difficulty I would have been unable to resist the opportunity to try to help solve it''
Having read that I'm sure you will agree, why I totally believe this from the SKY documentary
The Detective refused to head up Madeleine McCann probe because 'Scotland Yard would order him to prove Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignore other leads'
the detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.
The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory,
Speaking to Martin Brunt WHO LOADED THE GUN FOR SUTTON TO FIRE IT,
'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t.
Asked to clarify what he meant, he added: 'The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.'
He added: 'If you are conducting a re-investigation you start at the very beginning. Look at all the accounts all the evidence all the initial statements and go through them and make sure they stack up and they compare.'
So he turned down his dream job because he has integrity and refused to sell his soul for fame, wow just wow, this man restores my belief that surely not all coppers are puppets I for one from now on will listen to this man views, he,my friends is telling the truth as it is, and I can't believe I'm saying this!
I can reveal with the help of Jill Havern's amazing
The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™ the forum where all the truth is stored, that Mr Sutton joined weeks ago and studied the files he knows the facts he did his homework, no fool no this man is in a position to bring the McCann's down.
He responded to the question on the forum ''are you forming an opinion on the case'' with the message
''I'm forming one! I am spending some time [hence the follow ]
Once I have my thoughts collected, which may be a week or three, then my plan is to take part in discussions
That everyone leaves us in no doubt he was researching to write for the mirror and his appearance on Blunt's programme, so you have the inside knowledge from now on when you hear him talk be aware he knows the truth.
If he is allowed to express that, of course, is doubtful, injunctions and suing stops that, but look for coded messages behind his comments, he can't of spent endless hours on the groups without being as least suspicious of the duo;
We have found at last aided by Blunt a sea change in the MSM I for one rejoice that the future is a lot brighter as we travel along the long road to the truth!
By turning down the establishment stooge job is five star trustworthy
I know his mirror article was seen as pro-McCann, don't forget newspapers can misrepresent you if they want, but even in that he did say
Talking about the parents in the Mirror
''As uncomfortable as it is, the first place I would have started looking is their group. he admitted he feared the case may never be solved or it could take a death-bed confession to bring the culprit to justice''.
Which to this writer means one of the above the group is the answer!
Colin Sutton, it's up to you to represent us I do know he will read this]
GOOD LUCK it won't be easy
Some info on him
Colin Sutton spent the last nine years of his police career as Senior Investigating Officer for the Met Police’s Murder Squad. Among the dozens of investigations he led, the most notable was perhaps the operation which convicted the serial killer Levi Bellfield. He then took over and reinvigorated the ‘Night Stalker’ investigation in 2009, which quickly led to the arrest and conviction of Delroy Grant for a long series of rapes on the elderly. He was also responsible for the re-investigation of the Deepcut Barracks deaths.
Colin retired with 30 years service in the police and he now advises and provides commentary and insight around crime and criminal justice issues for both the written and broadcast media. In addition to his investigative work, Colin has significant experience of managing volume crime, covert law enforcement techniques, informant handling and technical surveillance. Colin has a degree in law and studied Criminal Justice post-graduation. He maintains a great interest in, and has forthright opinions on the criminal justice system and policing, from the commission of offences right through to the sentencing of offenders and the prison system.
Insight into how he works
The Delroy Grant case was a long-standing case – what methods did you use to solve this case in such a relatively short amount of time and what was the most significant breakthrough?
The focus was switched from trying to identify the offender by DNA – mass-swabbing of a huge number of potential suspects – to a proactive operation, using 75 officers and technical surveillance in an area identified by analysis of his ‘favourite’ target area. He then, after 17 days, committed a burglary in the area, was observed and arrested.
Levi Bellfield remains one of the UK’s most infamous serial killers – what clues ultimately led to his conviction?
Ultimately it was thorough and painstaking analysis of CCTV images and then mobile phone records. But even though that was what made us suspect Bellfield, the complete lack of scientific evidence meant that there followed more than 3 years of patient case-building, old-fashioned detective work unearthing small pieces of circumstantial evidence which, when added together, formed the compelling case which convicted him.
When you approach a case like Bellfield or Grant as an Investigating Officer what do you look for first?
Most cases of murder and serious crime are spontaneous so that a quick and large-scale response will often bring quick results. But men like Bellfield and Grant are more cunning, they plan their crimes and try their best to avoid leaving forensic evidence. These are the hardest cases to solve. Ultimately both were caught because they continued to offend and gave me renewed opportunities to identify them. In such cases, the SIO has to be patient, not to jump to conclusions or swift action but to consider all the possibilities. The more planning the criminal employs the more we must use against them.
How have advancements in forensics and psychology changed police investigations?
There is no doubt that DNA, and the ever-increasing sensitivity of tests for it, have made most serious crimes easier to solve. In many cases, it will give irrefutable proof of presence, and therefore of guilt. But it has made some detectives over-reliant upon it, and this was very evident in Delroy Grant’s case. Psychology has helped it to interview officers, and an understanding of the criminal to a degree. However, offender profiling is very rarely as successful or impactful in reality as it is portrayed in fiction.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 03 May 2017, 9:50 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

The bit with Colin Sutton sounds good. I thought that he has always gone along with the "stranger abduction" baloney though?

I certainly would listen to him if he joined us.
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Post  candyfloss on Wed 03 May 2017, 10:01 am

Colin Sutton was excellent last night, a brave man to spill the beans on what Grange really was, I should imagine there are some worried people as we speak. It is really scary to think some high ranking copper phoned him to warn him he couldn't do a proper or thorough job, forget going back to the beginning, ignore certain things and only focus on one thing. I was gobsmacked at what he had to say, a very brave man is Colin Sutton.

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Post  Bampots on Wed 03 May 2017, 10:04 am

I hope the optimism is sound! Brunt the saviour! 
I thought Colin Sutton had joined CMOMM?

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