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Post  costello on Wed 03 May 2017, 11:50 pm

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Post  costello on Thu 04 May 2017, 7:49 am

Alan Vinnicombe
16 mins
Colin Sutton UK's G.A
Well he's no fool he's on a mission and has a plan
This intelligent man began his quest to free the police of political interference back in Jan, clearly annoyed by not getting the Grange job that no doubt he could have cracked apart from he refused political interference that comes with all big inquiries judging by his record he would have sorted it [see part one]
I think since then he hatches a plan to help his colleagues who hate lying for the government.
Speaking in January, Mr Sutton said: “I think that the police service has been under all sorts of attacks in terms of political imperatives. To have a PCC who is beholden to the Government is unhealthy, in my opinion.
[Police Complaints Commission, hes on one against the govenment]
He withdraws from a great job recently, Mr Sutton had been one of five candidates for Suffolk police and crime commissioner.the ex-detective chief inspector, known as the man responsible for the capture of notorious murderer Levi Bellfield, was due to stand as an independent candidate in the election on May 5.
The 55-year-old said: “I have got other things that would preclude me from doing the job, and on reflection, I would not really have the time to do it full-time if elected'', cited other commitments as the reason for his decision to withdraw his name from the ballot
There's no point after the sky doc, seems to know he going to have a lot of media work coming?
Lucky for us he has been speaking on Jill Haverns forum, he was criticised last week for him piece in the mirror and his words on the rubbish Aussie doc, but you he is learning the MSM is a double edged sword yes it gets your views out there but the editor can slant your words take out of context and in the end plain
misrepresent.
People are afraid to talk about it in case they would be misquoted and the manipulation of public opinion designed to fit political agendas.
Seems he's been misquoted. Here is what he has said as posted on Facebook by Jill Havern ''Colin has just posted this on the forum which suggests he was misrepresented by the Daily Mirror''
TARGETED KIDNAP BY A TRAFFICKING GANG
This is the most likely scenario once those closely linked to Madeleine have been ruled out."
That is an important part of the quoted piece to keep in mind.
My view, as I gave to The Mirror, is that they have not been ruled out, either by the PJ or Op. Grange. However, the editorial slant given to what I said to the reporter has pushed this to the very back of the piece.
He really said the parents are the most likely suspects they changed it to if the parents were ruled out the case, then what?
Which is a totally different question, slippery reporters!
He went on to say
''I have taken part in three pieces for the 10-year anniversary - the Mirror, the Australian TV film and the Sky TV film.''
The Australians never told me they had 'new evidence', I don't know what this is but I was asked about police procedures in these cases and not asked to give an opinion as to what actually happened.
He WAS SO RIGHT sky was balanced
The Sky film will be, I hope, a much more balanced piece than anything else in the mainstream media. I am sure you will have a view once you see it -as will I, as once again it has to go through an editing process, but in what I have recorded I have tried to deal with some of the inconsistencies, to point out that the
Portuguese investigation was nowhere near as bad as it is painted,
That the McCanns have never been eliminated and that
Grange was too restricted either to do this or to have a meaningful impact on the case.
I am sceptical about abduction being the only valid scenario and will continue to be so. In taking that view in the mainstream media, one is subject to legal and editorial restrictions which of course do not exist on a forum.
WOW, MY HERO HE EVEN WORKING IT OUT BEFORE his next words are golden!
My choice, therefore, is either to give up and not take part or to do so and try to push the boundaries each time so that the concept of alternative theories can gradually be published more widely. I chose the latter.
[ HE WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SAY THE TRUTH TO INSPIRE OTHERS]
''I am cross that The Mirror piece has been adjusted so much that gives precedence to a hypothesis which I don't feel is the most likely.
It is the first time I have done this sort of work for that paper and this is an outcome which has not happened when working for others''.
''No newspaper or TV company has ever told me what conclusion I should come to and if they did I would run a mile''.
'' Once I have told them what I think, though, I am at their mercy as to what they use and do not use''.
''I will remain interested in this case, remain a member of this forum and will be happy, after the Sky film airs, to take part in discussions with members of the forum on the case''.
[ WE NEED TO LINK UP TO THIS SOME HOW]
''However - and I am no snowflake, believe me - I will not do so if people think it is acceptable to direct abuse towards me for what I believe or what I do.
I promise I will be polite and reasoned and I expect that in return. That is reasonable is it not?;;
Yes, sir, it stay on a closed group and you will receive utmost respect, we would love to hear your views
Silent P in police
Ok it's time to sum up, the unassuming man of the people who is trying to end to torture beyond poor Maddie, back in time thought Saville, Hillsborough way back to Jeremy Thorp ,Cyril Smith, Ted Heath and other in between all in investigated by policeman, who took the shilling from the establishment, files lost pressure used to stop up dissenters in the public witnesses and even their of officers.
I'm not telling you a theory, Colin Sutton has told you if you take the job politics tie your hands of even the best!
We know he's right! the everyday people of Liverpool laid bare the cover up of the 96, The brave souls of the Liverpool fans underestimated by the police and politicians alike, they never gave up, brought down the lies in the end,
Coppers on their knees beaten into admitting they lied and changed evidence for the silent P running the police [poitics]
What's there no silent P in policing oh there is ars Mr Sutton as told us it called politics the silent unseen unheard P in the word police, yes the P is there but it, not a real one it's a HOSTAGE controlled by politicians,
You want a big job here's this big investigation but you can't interview the McCann's or even their friends, it's a no go area, give the media info that you have leads look busy, then on years to come park the whole thing in a siding marked ''We tried its a mystery'', like they did with so many other famous cases, the untouchables down the years laugh at us safe on the knowledge, politics trump policing every time, until now one brave proven top copper has stood up and said to his friends im out of it now, but I'm going to expose this travesty of the silent P.
IMO I'd wager he's thinking
''I'm going to but the P back into policing''
[pterodactyl Pterodactyls were flying reptiles, now extinct Silent letters are letters that you can't hear when you say the word, but that are there when you write the word, in other words, you can see it, but Mr REDWOOD NEVER DARE TO SAY IT MY FRIENDS GRANGE CAN SEE THE MCCANNS are suspects but don't ever say it, there's a good boy, off you go with your pension
If your a very good boy you get a knighthood well to be fair they all do the UK top cop its a given, but I ask the ones below how many of you know people were protected by the silent P
IMO all of you and that's where we are right now in our missing person case, the home secretary rules you, the one who started grange, by the way, was Teresa May ring any bells.
1945 1953 Sir Harold Scott GCVO, KCB, KBE
1953 1958 Sir John Nott-Bower KCVO, KPM
1958 1968 Sir Joseph Simpson KBE, KPFSM
1968 1972 Sir John Waldron KCVO
1972 1977 Sir Robert Mark GBE, QPM
1977 1982 Sir David McNee QPM
1982 1987 Sir Kenneth Newman GBE, QPM
1987 1993 Sir Peter Imbert QPM
1993 2000 Sir Paul Condon QPM
2000 2005 Sir John Stevens QPM
2005 2008 Sir Ian Blair QPM
2009 2011 Sir Paul Stephenson QPM
2011 2017 Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe
2017 Cressida Dick
On the other hand who warned the intrepid Coilin Sutton, your next on a need to know basis!
This man is better than all the Sirs he said no!
PLAIN OLD, COLIN SUTTON and he can be proud of it!
[ next time I explain how an expert was used and misquoted about a McCann headline whole story in full including emails from national newspaper]
[source east Suffolk's times and Jill Havern]
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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:38 pm

You put it on the Panorama thread Andrew have moved here...

Andrew wrote:The Sky doc on YouTube:




I've only watched half of it as I recorded it and nodded off late last night in the middle of it. It actually looked really quite good the bit I saw anyway.


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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:40 pm

Also now put on first post of this thread so you don't have to hunt for it.

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Post  chilli on Thu 04 May 2017, 8:16 pm

Overall I thought it was measured. I hadn't watched it because I couldn't stomach any more spin and propaganda. What a surprise. Martin Brunt and Colin Sutton got a hell of a lot of information out into the public domain.

A key thing that stood out for me was when the mobile phone data was discussed and although the editing infered they were talking about the 4 petty thieves. I noted that Colin Sutton really emphasised about switching off phones being suspicious. We all know which phones were off.

Again having only read transcripts of interviews and the reactions of bloggers and furumites I was prepared to agree that OG was a whitewash and Jim Gamble was the devil personified. I'm not so sure now. Even if what Colin Sutton said about the remit of OG being narrow, I still think that the analyses will have been done and the remit may well change once all the leads are ruled out. I thought the criticism of the Portuguese investigation were fair and probably unavoidable in the early days and even Jim Gamble agreed that the initial focus should have been the parents.

I also thought that the OG spokesman ? Rouke was very clever. Whilst the text was bland and on reading seemed to favour the parents, it came over differently when I saw his body language and heard where he paused. Likewise, at the end when Martin Brunt said neither investigation had found evidence against the parents, it was immediately qualified by a discussion of where the investigation should focus .... the beginning, which I interpret as the parents/tapas.

So after despairing over the last days, I don't think all hope is lost. The truth will out eventually and I don't think all this week'so spin will have done anything to quieten suspicions.
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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 8:37 pm

I see Colin Sutton went on the Jill Havern forum - I must have missed that. Poster above says he was criticised - really? Who by? On what thread?

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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 8:46 pm

@ costello - who is Alan Vinnicombe ?

I can only find a poker player in Exeter.

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Post  Andrew on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:00 pm

Mimi wrote:I see Colin Sutton went on the Jill Havern forum - I must have missed that. Poster above says he was criticised - really?  Who by? On what thread?

Has he come back then? Didn't think he'd get involved in their weird set-up ever again. Obviously mistaken.
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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:03 pm

Andrew wrote:
Mimi wrote:I see Colin Sutton went on the Jill Havern forum - I must have missed that. Poster above says he was criticised - really?  Who by? On what thread?

Has he come back then? Didn't think he'd get involved in their weird set-up ever again. Obviously mistaken.

I`m not sure - I assume they scared him off with their paranoia and criticisms of anyone new. He probably thought that theirs was the main Maddie forum and didn`t know about the atmosphere.

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Post  costello on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:09 pm

Mimi wrote:@ costello - who is Alan Vinnicombe ?

I can only find a poker player in Exeter.


Hi Mimi, I have just had a look on Alan's fb page,doesn't give anything away. All I can say is he is very committed to the McCann case,big time. He was up all night a few days ago putting together the Sky Documentary info for fb. I am not sure here bit I do think he has an insight as to what might happen,and he 'does' seem to know a lot about Colin Sutton. Will keep you posted.
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Post  Andrew on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:09 pm

I remember them jumping on him like the usual pack of dogs as they do.

I thought you meant he was back on today.... Can't be bothered to even look but I very much doubt he'll ever be back. Just like PeterMac who'll never set foot in that place ever again. Even though Jill pretends he sends her whispers every other post. Pathetic.

Anyway back to the footy.
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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:15 pm

costello wrote:
Mimi wrote:@ costello - who is Alan Vinnicombe ?

I can only find a poker player in Exeter.


Hi Mimi, I have just had a look on Alan's fb page,doesn't give anything away. All I can say is he is very committed to the McCann case,big time. He was up all night a few days ago putting together the Sky Documentary info for fb. I am not sure here bit I do think he has an insight as to what might happen,and he 'does' seem to know a lot about Colin Sutton. Will keep you posted.

Cheers costello.

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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:17 pm

Andrew wrote:I remember them jumping on him like the usual pack of dogs as they do.

I thought you meant he was back on today.... Can't be bothered to even look but I very much doubt he'll ever be back. Just like PeterMac who'll never set foot in that place ever again. Even though Jill pretends he sends her whispers every other post. Pathetic.

Anyway back to the footy.

Flippin` football Rolling Eyes  Get back here !

What thread was he on over there?

PS.  Oh - forgot it`s Thursday - I suppose you`re in front of the TV, feet up and a few cans lined up !
We`ll get no sense out of you tonight.

Can anyone else tell me what thread they attacked Colin on over there.

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Post  costello on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:37 pm

Mimi wrote:
costello wrote:
Mimi wrote:@ costello - who is Alan Vinnicombe ?

I can only find a poker player in Exeter.


Hi Mimi, I have just had a look on Alan's fb page,doesn't give anything away. All I can say is he is very committed to the McCann case,big time. He was up all night a few days ago putting together the Sky Documentary info for fb. I am not sure here bit I do think he has an insight as to what might happen,and he 'does' seem to know a lot about Colin Sutton. Will keep you posted.

Cheers costello.

Mimi not sure about Alan's latest post on fb,but I could guess.Alan Vinnicombe They have to answer in code as the powers that be hold the aces! this is him saying they did it in my humble opinion
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Post  Guinea Pig on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:40 pm

Mimi, I'm not sure if this is the topic with the abuse as I haven't looked right through it. It might have been removed as it was like a pack of baying hounds.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13934-new-daily-mirrors-18-21-22-apr-ex-detective-colin-sutton-is-actively-contributing-to-this-thread-was-daily-mirror-18-apr-2017-what-really-happened-the-night-madeleine-disappeared
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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 9:41 pm

There were two threads, one where members asked him questions  - but he had gone by then, and the other had this title

How detective Colin Sutton sold his soul and betrayed his profession by writing complete and utter rubbish in the Daily Mirror.

I think they have been whooshed or gone private.

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Post  Andrew on Thu 04 May 2017, 10:33 pm

Mimi wrote: Flippin` football Rolling Eyes  Get back here !

What thread was he on over there?

PS.  Oh - forgot it`s Thursday - I suppose you`re in front of the TV, feet up and a few cans lined up !
We`ll get no sense out of you tonight.

Can anyone else tell me what thread they attacked Colin on over there.

Cheeky monkey. No, I'm out and about. It is Thurs. Then off to Wales tomorrow as ex Mrs Andrew has bought some static caravan or something. No idea but off to take junior tomorrow after school.

Anyway, plenty of sense from me as usual. Especially on a Thurs. So what's the question again?
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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 11:05 pm

Thank you Candyfloss - yes it seems you`re right - gone.

Well I suppose they couldn`t leave it there !

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Post  Mimi on Thu 04 May 2017, 11:07 pm

Andrew wrote: Cheeky monkey. No, I'm out and about. It is Thurs. Then off to Wales tomorrow as ex Mrs Andrew has bought some static caravan or something. No idea but off to take junior tomorrow after school.  

Great - enjoy your time with your son. flower

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Post  Andrew on Fri 05 May 2017, 12:03 am

Thanks, Mimi. You're lovely. flower

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Post  candyfloss on Fri 05 May 2017, 2:40 pm

On the index page (home page) of CMoMM there is a picture of Colin Sutton right hand side at the top and underneath it says this....

Ex MET detective, Colin Sutton, publicly accuses DCI Redwood, DCI Wall & Sir Bernard H-H of 'Misconduct in Public Office'.



Does he, I have not hear him say this or it written anywhere, has anyone else.  I read he had a warning from above that he would not be able to take the job because - and here is his tweet.......



Colin Sutton‏ @colinsutton · May 4


Replying to @spudgun01 @walkercan1000 @TheGavofWar

Nobody ordered me to find McCanns innocent as Mail put it.I was advised I wouldn't have freedom to investigate everybody & every possibility




Now this was way back before Grange started, and it was just going to be a review going over some things and seeing if there were any leads that could be followed they read the files and decided a full blown investigation was needed, totally different to a review.

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Post  Andrew on Fri 05 May 2017, 2:45 pm

He's never said that at all.

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Post  dannii on Sat 06 May 2017, 2:59 pm

The Madeleine special was'nt on last night it is on tonight.

CNN 9 PM.UK time.
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Post  froggy on Sat 06 May 2017, 3:54 pm

candyfloss wrote:On the index page (home page) of CMoMM there is a picture of Colin Sutton right hand side at the top and underneath it says this....

Ex MET detective, Colin Sutton, publicly accuses DCI Redwood, DCI Wall & Sir Bernard H-H of 'Misconduct in Public Office'.



Does he, I have not hear him say this or it written anywhere, has anyone else.  I read he had a warning from above that he would not be able to take the job because - and here is his tweet.......



Colin Sutton‏ @colinsutton · May 4  

 
Replying to @spudgun01 @walkercan1000 @TheGavofWar

Nobody ordered me to find McCanns innocent as Mail put it.I was advised I wouldn't have freedom to investigate everybody & every possibility




Now this was way back before Grange started, and it was just going to be a review going over some things and seeing if there were any leads that could be followed they read the files and decided a full blown investigation was needed, totally different to a review.


Maybe it was always intended to be more than a review
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