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Post  poster on Mon 13 May 2019, 12:22 pm

Freedom wrote:A recent programme on the case featuring of course the wonderful Mark Williams-Thomas saying that he knew Stuart Hazell was guilty. Of course you did, Mark.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Britain%27s+Most+Evil+Killers&&view=detail&mid=72BC668539AD1B6144EF72BC668539AD1B6144EF&&FORM=VDRVRV

The usual cast of characters I see - Mark Williams-Thomas and dear old Martin Brunt playing judge and jury for some reason. I've only watched so far up to the 21.34 mark but there is absolutely nothing suspicious in Stuart Hazell's behaviour or manner, imo. Having a chaotic childhood is quite irrelevant, I would have thought. Other details about his past personal life I would also say contribute nothing to the suggestion that he was the killer.

Up to the 21.34 point I only see 'media experts' or whoever they are supposed to be weaving a story out of precisely nothing.

I will watch the rest when I have more time. I see Suart Hazell as a man who is completely authentic. None of the darting eyes stuff or duper's delight or any of the other little giveaways that a person might be being devious. I think you can read him like a book actually. Looks to me like he had found some sort of stability with this relationship with Tia's grandmother and was very fond of his grand-daughter.

How very, very sad that it is those in our community who are least able to defend themselves, and who come from the most vulnerable backgrounds, who find themselves convicted of crimes where there is, imo, so little evidence against them.

It really is worth watching some of the excellent analyses of body language and facial expressions that are in the public domain and demonstrate how behind the facade the body, words used and facial expressions cannot lie.

All in my own opinion as always. The expression 'money talks' comes to mind though.

https://www.ted.com/talks/pamela_meyer_how_to_spot_a_liar?language=en
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Post  Freedom on Mon 13 May 2019, 1:51 pm

Who else could have hidden the body in the family home, Poster? Tia never left the house and she was alone with SH at the time.

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Post  poster on Mon 13 May 2019, 7:51 pm

Freedom wrote:Who else could have hidden the body in the family home, Poster? Tia never left the house and she was alone with SH at the time.

A next door neighbour who knew Tia saw her leave her home thus supporting what Stuart said.  It's earlier in the video. There could be other corroborating evidence too that Tia left the house that we don't know about and I suspect there probably is. I don't believe she never left the house. I think she did and was murdered by someone else outside her home.

This idea is supported by the fact that there were THREE searches of the house and no sign of her at all. Her body was not found for eight days and it was only on the FOURTH  search of the house that her body was found. The first search was on the day she went missing, Friday 3rd August. Nothing found. The next search was two days later, Sunday 5th August, which was a full forensics team search lasting two hours. No sign of Tia. There was a further search on Wednesday 8th, this time with German Shepard dogs, which are specially trained to detect blood and decomposing bodies. Tia was not found.

From the second link below:


Right after Tia went missing; her bedroom at her Gran and Stuart’s home was searched, as is customary in a missing child investigation. That was on Friday 3rd August. No body, and nothing untoward was found.

In the early hours of Sunday 5th August a full search of the house was conducted by a forensics team. Bare in mind this is a 3 bedroom terraced property, there would not be many places you could hide a body. Forensic officers are highly trained individuals, and for a team of them not to be able to locate a body in a small terraced house beggar’s belief!

"Yesterday, the Met’s South East London Area Commander Neil Basu apologised to Tia’s family, saying the search should have been more thorough. In a statement, he said: ‘The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers. ‘This was conducted on August 5 over a period of two hours. All parts of the premises were searched, including the location where a body was discovered, five days later, on Friday, August 10".  Source, Mail on Line

There are only two possible explanations for no body being found at this stage.
1: They are complete idiots who forgot their years of training, and instead of conducting a full forensic search of the property, they had a cup of tea and a quick shifty round the place.
2: THERE WAS NO BODY AT THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME!
WHICH ONE MAKES SENSE TO YOU?

On Wednesday 8 August the home was again searched, this time with German Shepard dogs, which are specially trained to detect blood and decomposing bodies.
“The nose of a trained sniffer dog is around 2000 times better than a human’s; they are able to detect smells even 10 years later.”
“There have been cases where dogs have identified blood spots that were so small and had been covered by other substances, only a microscope could confirm that they were here.” LINK

Yet we are to believe that in this small house they could not detect the 5 day old corpse of a young girl!

Search 1: Stuart Hazell stayed at the home with Tia’s closest family and ran nowhere.
Search 2: Stuart Hazell stayed at the home and went nowhere.
Search 3: he again remained at his home and went nowhere.

By the Thursday the British Press had made him their chief suspect and were hounding him 24/7, his home was surrounded by press and he could go nowhere without being hounded. On Thursday evening he left the home, it was reported that he had went on the run, he had not went on the run, he had went to nearby Merton, most likely to escape the Press. His partner Christine was asked by press where he was, she said she did not know, this was then read to mean he had went on the run. Had Christine returned the question to them, and asked each one for an exact location of their partners, how many would have been able to say with certainty where their partners were?
When arrested Stuart was at Cannon Hill Common, not hiding in some secluded spot, but out in the open, so their saying he was on the run, or in hiding is ridiculous!

He was caught on CCTV camera buying a bottle of vodka, I think if I had been subject to the week he had just had I would have been buying a bottle of vodka as well!


From the first link below:

Amazingly, no fewer than three previous searches of the house had failed to locate the body, despite the use of specialist teams and sniffer dogs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2187930/Tia-Sharp-murder-Coppers-common-sense-I-despair-old-force-took-8-days-body.html


http://truthseeker444.blogspot.com/2012/08/tia-blog-stuart-hazell-at-this-stage-is.html
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Post  Freedom on Mon 13 May 2019, 9:14 pm

I'll read through all that later but I'll just say for now that the neighbour lied about seeing Tia at the request of SH and was jailed for 5 months; that's right at the end of the programme.

There were also some very incriminating images on a memory card belonging to SH, including a photo of Tia who was almost certainly dead then.

I do agree though that it is very odd about the previous failed searches. I wondered earlier if the body could have been in a neighbouring loft as there were no partition walls between them.
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Post  poster on Thu 16 May 2019, 9:38 pm

Freedom wrote:I'll read through all that later but I'll just say for now that the neighbour lied about seeing Tia at the request of SH and was jailed for 5 months; that's right at the end of the programme.

There were also some very incriminating images on a memory card belonging to SH, including a photo of Tia who was almost certainly dead then.

I do agree though that it is very odd about the previous failed searches. I wondered earlier if the body could have been in a neighbouring loft as there were no partition walls between them.

All very weird - but I think that even if the body had been in a neighbouring loft the dogs would have alerted as the houses were apparently very small so distances not great between houses. Also there would have been a terrible odour building up over a period of over a week during a hot summer.

I would also ask whether  there is  'proof' that the neighbour lied about seeing Tia? In other words another witness or witnesses who can attest that he lied? Or who could say they definitely saw Tia somewhere else, and not leaving her grandmother's house?

As for the images on the memory card belonging to SH, again are there any witnesses to that?  Is there anything at all from his past that would suggest he had an unhealthy interest in young girls or posed any danger to them? Why did he suddenly out of character commit this terrible crime? The pair are captured on cctv shopping not long before Tia went missing. They both look very comfortable with each other. What was the motive for the crime and where is the back history that one would expect in a case like this, assuming he was a cold-blooded murdered who 'groomed' his victim or whatever we are asked to believe?

Unfortunately, partly because of the McCann case, I find I do not always believe what the police tell us or would like us to believe.


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Post  chirpyinsect on Thu 16 May 2019, 10:48 pm

Freedom wrote:Who else could have hidden the body in the family home, Poster? Tia never left the house and she was alone with SH at the time.


Sorry poster, I'm with Freedom on this. Hazell eventually pleaded guilty and the neighbour was sentenced to 5 months for wasting police time.The most incriminating thing for me was the memory card containing images and video of Tia, some post mortem, found hidden in a door frame in the house. I'm not sure how an innocent man could explain that one.

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Post  Freedom on Fri 17 May 2019, 9:51 am

The card was definitely linked to his phone - if that's the correct technical terminology - and I presume that the neighbour admitted to lying.
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