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Post  Freedom on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 11:17 am

I'm posting a link to Cristobell's latest blog here as it raises interesting points about the sighting.

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/

Could I just make it clear though that we are talking only about the blog and not Cristobell personally.

P.S. Link for previous posts on the Smith sighting.

http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t2032-that-smithman-sighting


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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:17 pm

Well, I'm not part of any camp, even though my names has been linked again, I have my own strong opinions and reasons to believe that Mr Smith is a genuine witness.  He imo has told the truth as he saw it, as did the rest of his family.  The reason his statement is similar to others is not because of any collusion or working with anyone or knowing anyone, it is simply because it is the way the PJ asked the same list of questions to all witnesses, it is how they operate.  I do not believe any witnesses are liars, why would they lie, and there are far too many of them to all be telling untruths, again for what reason and why would they not help in an investigation to find a child, let alone drop themselves in quite a bit of trouble for untrue statements.  I do believe Madeleine was around until the 3rd, and again my own opinion, why can't some just accept that.  Why is there some sort of conspiracy against them.  Doh, find it all very childish.

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:29 pm

As for Mr Smith working with the McCanns for the past few years I see NO evidence whatsoever of this.,  I found this the other day whilst looking for something, it quite categorically states that, and comes from THEIR lawyer.  I think it is a post by Dee Coy, thank you.





"He also attacked the Smiths' credibility and questioned why they were seen as credible by the investigation while Jane Tanner was discredited. He said that Tanner's sighting corroborated the Smiths' sighting, but the coordinator, Amaral, and his team simply wouldn't investigate anything except the death thesis and the McCanns. "


Snip from the description of the speech of Ricardo, lawyer for the McCann children.


In black and white, folks. The McCanns' lawyer attacked the Smiths' credibility and bemoaned the passing of Tannerman.

Perhaps this will finally put to bed the assertions from some quarters that the McCanns promoted the Smith sighting. Their lawyer tells us they didn't like it one little bit.

Which confirms the majority view on Smithman  - he's very important indeed.

Don't think much to the efforts of Ricardo. Fell into GM's habit of commenting on the evidence and the rights and wrongs of the investigation.  And, like the stuttering Gerry, was interrupted and cut short by the judge. What don't they get?

http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t393-mccann-v-amaral-damages-trial-verdict-february

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  Poe on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 12:34 pm

candyfloss wrote:Well, I'm not part of any camp, even though my names has been linked again, I have my own strong opinions and reasons to believe that Mr Smith is a genuine witness.  He imo has told the truth as he saw it, as did the rest of his family.  The reason his statement is similar to others is not because of any collusion or working with anyone or knowing anyone, it is simply because it is the way the PJ asked the same list of questions to all witnesses, it is how they operate.  I do not believe any witnesses are liars, why would they lie, and there are far too many of them to all be telling untruths, again for what reason and why would they not help in an investigation to find a child, let alone drop themselves in quite a bit of trouble for untrue statements.  I do believe Madeleine was around until the 3rd, and again my own opinion, why can't some just accept that.  Why is there some sort of conspiracy against them.  Doh, find it all very childish.

I totally agree with you Candyfloss.

In addition, the McCanns and their friends' necks are on the line. They wrote out a time-line, rehearsing their statements, e so each of them would know what to say yet their accounts are full of discrepancies. While the Smith family have nothing to gain or lose personally from making statements and the details of their accounts of Smithman all tally.

I keep an open mind about what exactly happened and when but I absolutely believe the Smiths.

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  Rob Royston on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 1:14 pm

Freedom wrote:I'm posting a link to Cristobell's latest blog here as it raises interesting points about the sighting.

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/

Could I just make it clear though that we are talking only about the blog and not Cristobell personally.

While Cristobell may have nailed it with Smithman as the reason for the split in the camps I hope she she does not assume that everything else is as cut and dried in everyone's mind, I have no reason to think that she does.

There are so many permutations that may be possible from what we have learned over the years and we must not let ourselves be railroaded on to only one of two tracks.

Much work has been done by many people over the years that points to a lot of pre-planning for a staged abduction, the wayback machine, the substitute, the creche and phone records, they all point to fore-knowledge of a planned event. The immediate support from the Government suggests that they were sitting waiting for the call.

When the "abductee" died or became ill, I believe it all started to fall apart when the courier who was to take the "abductee" away from the OC refused to play his part. Smithman then had to do that task himself. There would have been a second courier to take the "abductee" out of town to the means of travel, maybe a yacht or ship. It's unlikely that we will ever know if this courier helped Smithman, or left him to his own devices.

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 1:26 pm

Much work has been done by many people over the years that points to a lot of pre-planning for a staged abduction, the wayback machine, the substitute, the creche and phone records, they all point to fore-knowledge of a planned event. The immediate support from the Government suggests that they were sitting waiting for the call.

I am one of those that totally does not go with this, this was a case of a missing child, it got put out into the press very quickly by the friends of K & G, Government was forced to act quickly otherwise there would have been an outcry, they did it basically to look good.

I certainly am not one of those that thinks pre-planning was a part of this at all. No substitute, for me, impossible to achieve too many people to fool and involve.

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  Freedom on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 1:51 pm

The government and media response was almost unprecedented though.

I was going to say completely unprecedented but there was certainly a lot of publicity for the Soham girls and for James Bulger.

The disappearance of Ben Needham was very different in the way of coverage and I think that was partly due to the perceived lower standing of his family as well as to the Internet not being in existence then.

The case of Katrice Lee went unnoticed at the time.

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 2:10 pm

Freedom wrote:The government and media response was almost unprecedented though.

I think it was normal for a missing child in a quiet holiday resort abroad.  It was a BIG story, nothing of this nature had happened before, everyone wanted in on the action.  They the media were called in pretty quick by friends of the McCanns, it was within minutes of the alarm being raised.  Government had to be seen to be acting quickly, and sent many to help.  I see nothing unprecedented at all, only in that news was reported as it happened, which was new due to the increasing popularity of the internet at that time, and the media 24/7 news reporting.  People had to be seen to be doing something, with the McCanns and friends pushing and getting their stories out.

I was going to say completely unprecedented but there was certainly a lot of publicity for the Soham girls and for James Bulger.

The disappearance of Ben Needham was very different in the way of coverage and I think that was partly due to the perceived lower standing of his family as well as to the Internet not being in existence then.

The case of Katrice Lee went unnoticed at the time.

It was way before the internet age, totally different and I don't think you can compare.




Anyway this is a bit off topic as this is the Smithman thread and Mr Smith's statements.



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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 9:55 pm

Unfortunately this thread which was named 'That Smithman sighting' got merged with another in discussion.  Freedom has split the last few posts away again  but impossible to split the rest back so here is the link for the other thread where the posts are...

http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t2032p900-that-smithman-sighting#94486

We can carry on here again and put Cristobell's mind at rest it wasn't abusive at all, jumping to conclusions again Cristobell, and you guessed wrong again......... Smile it was just that it got merged as there was another Smithman thread.

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  Freedom on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 10:03 pm

It's sackcloth and ashes for me plus bread and water for a week for upsetting the apple cart!

Perish the thought that any of Cristobell's posters are ever abusive.
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Post  candyfloss on Sun 16 Jul 2017, 10:09 pm

Freedom wrote:It's sackcloth and ashes for me plus bread and water for a week for upsetting the apple cart!

Perish the thought that any of Cristobell's posters are ever abusive.

You do a grand job, just that your filing system is too good sometimes and people think we moved it to hide something Smile

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Post  Freedom on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 9:38 pm

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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  Ferrino on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 12:54 am

I read in a (closed) Smith thread here the possibility of the sighting being earlier, around 21:15 and a new timeline being created. Forgive me if I misunderstood (I have seen the myriad of statements claiming alarm went up earlier and perhaps been muddled with interpretations), but, and I stand to be corrected, wasn't this the Smith's Receipt from Kelly's, showing 21:49/50?

The only earlier receipt fails to accomodate 21:15...

And if their sighting was really at/around the time they left Kelly's, 21:50ish, it presents a problem (nevermind being 30+ mins removed from, and 5 mins walk away from Tannerman's location).

OG's 'people talking in English with accents' talking about 'having to hide a body' just up the road have apparently been 'ruled out' at this point, so what are we left with? I find it more plausible that a vehicle would've taken Maddie from one of the car parks (5A or opposite Tapas Reception). Remember the first search dogs went straight to the latter after the 5J distraction. And did so via the private alleyway, not the main road. Nice and quiet, especially with a lookout standing roadside. Though granted we don't know if the item the dogs were given was really hers.

Butm assuming the Smiths to be truthful (as I have no reason not to), who might they have actually seen?
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Post  unreorganised on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 11:02 am

Ferrino wrote:

Butm assuming the Smiths to be truthful (as I have no reason not to), who might they have actually seen?

It's a good question. I've always thought that the sight of a bloke hurrying along with a sleeping child would look odd anyway. I don't buy this "throw a rock in the air and you'd be bound to hit one" impression that is given even by the Smiths themselves.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 11:32 am

Holiday resort with a crèche nearby, plus, what innocent father wouldn't come forward in 10 years?

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Post  dogs don't lie on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 4:17 pm

A bit OT but this below is from JTs statement to police, if she says she can identify tannerman by his walking mannerisms, then why can't Martin?


When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.


Thank u candyfloss, need to learn how to do that Very Happy


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Post  candyfloss on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 4:21 pm

Excellent point ddl, you can of course pick people out from great distances not by looks but their mannerisms.

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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 8:21 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:A bit OT but this below is from JTs statement to police, if she says she can identify tannerman by his walking mannerisms, then why can't Martin?


When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.


Thank u candyfloss, need to learn how to do that Very Happy
Bingo!

That's pooh-poohed 30% of the "Smiths are lying" arguments.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 9:24 pm

I wonder did JT see him walking from the side? After all, she was the only one who saw him and could identify him, non of the rest even tried to find him or look for him.
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Re: The Smith Family Sighting

Post  mumof6 on Thu 20 Jul 2017, 9:49 am

I have a friend who has always recognised all her friends and acquaintances by their walks, and how they move, and their voices.

If you meet her in the street you can "hide" by standing totally still.

I think we all do that, to some extent, as we can recognise people from behind. I guess it is like the way we all lip read to some extent, we are just not aware (that is why a badly dubbed film is so uncomfortable to watch, of course).
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