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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 6:17 pm

PMR wrote:I still think very few people know what OG is actually doing, those that do aren't saying much. Therefore people are playing join the dots and filling in gaps for themselves

Finger on the button there,some one fishing?
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Post  unreorganised on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 7:23 pm

If it was anybody of any consequence though, their long term absence would be as notable as Maddie's. So I think Mimi could have inadvertently hit the nail on the head - they're going to pin it on Lord Lucan.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 7:34 pm

Let them, hopefully they will find this person and rule them out just like the rest, then what, who does that leave??

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Post  Helenmeg on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 8:01 pm

Mimi wrote:I still think there is some relevance in Alison Saunders of our Crown Prosecution Service, and her assistant, flying to Portugal to chat with the PJ.  It must have been about bringing a prosecution of a UK citizen.  Although it is a Portuguese case, there must be a strong link to person/s in the UK.

Yes I agree MImi, you dont drag members of the CPS out to Portugal for no reason, or to play a part in a farce. That is serious stuff..
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Post  froggy on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 8:14 pm

When did Sanders go out to Portugal?
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Post  canada12 on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 9:53 pm

The Smith family were witnesses. They made statements to the police. TM has tried to diss them at every opportunity. Smithman has never been located, in spite of 10 years of publicity and attention.

You'd think that Smithman, under the circumstances, would have identified himself to SY by now, so that he could put the rumours to rest, or solve the mystery of who he was. I believe if he'd been identified, we'd have heard about it one way or another - it would have been in the press.

I'm betting Smithman is OG's focus. Either he's an innocent party who chatted with the Smith family. Or he's not an innocent party who chatted with the Smith family. There's no doubt he existed. The question is - is Smithman the focus of OG now?
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Post  Helenmeg on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 10:15 pm

froggy wrote:When did Sanders go out to Portugal?
This was reported June 2013
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10135847/CPS-lawyers-travel-to-Portugal-to-explore-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Alison Saunders, London's chief crown prosecutor, and her deputy Jenny Hopkins, head of the complex casework unit, discussed the inquiry with their Portuguese counterparts.

It is the first time CPS lawyers have visited the country in connection with the Yard’s £5 million review of the case.

A CPS spokesman confirmed that prosecutors had travelled to Portugal with officers from the Metropolitan Police “to discuss possible next steps”.

The two-year review has identified several potential suspects who have not been interviewed and detectives have indicated that they need to be questioned in order to be eliminated or pursued further.

More than 20 people "of interest", including Britons, have been uncovered. They also include known child offenders who were in the Algarve at the time Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

ETA The actual visit was in April 2013 ...
So London's top prosecutor and her deputy visited Portugal mid April to consult with Portuguese officials about Madeleine's disappearance. And subsequently, Theresa May has announced that Scotland Yard will be opening their own investigation.
http://thepottingshedder.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/madeleine-mccann-new-investigation.html

London’s chief crown prosecutor Alison Saunders and her deputy Jenny Hopkins flew to Portugal in April to meet counterparts to discuss leads identified in the Met Police’s review.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-uk-government-lawyers-1975845
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Post  Mimi on Sun 01 Oct 2017, 10:23 pm

unreorganised wrote:If it was anybody of any consequence though, their long term absence would be as notable as Maddie's. So I think Mimi could have inadvertently hit the nail on the head - they're going to pin it on Lord Lucan.

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Post  Poe on Mon 02 Oct 2017, 9:41 am

unreorganised wrote:
Mimi wrote:The words `person of significance` - goodness knows what it means.

Do they mean an influential person, a well known person, a brave person, a criminal person - what?

We are all `significant` to those around us aren`t we ?

Even the finding bit is ambiguous. Are they trying to discover this person's identity, or do they know who they are seeking and it is their physical location that they are unsure of?

Or is it all just so much bollocks?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-extra-funding-home-office-metropolitan-police-operation-grange-a7976761.html

There is no mention of finding in the Independent. According to their website, additional funding was granted to additional funding to hunt a new “person of significance” and “It is as much to rule the person out of the inquiry as anything else,” a source told the Sunday Times.

That to me reads that they have a credible suspect in their sights and that suspect is actively being hunted by the police. They're not searching for the person but actively trying to find evidence that will prove their guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

If a journalist used the word "find" as a variation of the word "hunt" they could have completely changed the meaning of, and the significance of, what the source close to the police was telling them.

Or it all might be just so much bollocks.

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Post  Heisenburg on Mon 02 Oct 2017, 10:14 am

Always worth a reminder that this man has never been found,has he?

Detectives hunting for the little girl, who went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 2007, have said it is vital they identify the man as soon as possible.
The man was spotted walking towards the centre of town in the direction of the beach at around 10pm on the evening Madeleine disappeared, by two witnesses who were able to provide e-fit images

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10377714/Madeleine-McCann-E-fit-suspect-was-carrying-child-police-reveal.html
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Post  Mimi on Mon 02 Oct 2017, 10:56 am

Yes, I suppose he fits all the reported phrases by the media like `diplomacy required`, `complex and wide ranging`, `significant`.

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Extra,extra,read all about it.

Post  Heisenburg on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 8:46 am

The last lead,is it though?

Cops want to trace a woman they believe is from Eastern Europe and may hold key clues to the investigation.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4635087/madeleine-mccann-investigation-critical-witness-portugal/


I wonder whose mits are all over this Rolling Eyes

A source said: “She may have seen or heard something which to her may seem insignificant but to us could prove vital. If she recognises herself she should contact police. She has nothing to fear. This is just to eliminate her from enquiries."
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Post  Rob Royston on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 9:32 am

If, after spending all this money, Operation Grange still believe that it's a "burglary gone wrong" then they must believe that the dogs were set up with false scents. Who do they believe was behind that, was it the PJ or was it the Establishment reining in the Macs?
Or is this just another made up load of noise to further confuse this rag's gullible readers.

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 9:53 am

Seems to be a load of the same old tosh again....

Just a couple of weeks ago we were told they had discounted burgulators, paedos, child traffickers, and Uncle Tom Cobly and all Rolling Eyes


Helenmeg wrote:Early ideas about sex predators, child traffickers and "a burglary gone wrong" were largely dismissed before both detective teams joined forces to focus on the latest theory.

http://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-set-to-be-extended-as-police-ask-for-more-funds-11024595

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Post  Bampots on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 10:07 am


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Post  Freedom on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 10:12 am

We need a topic just for regurgitated nonsense!

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Post  Poe on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 10:33 am

Maybe things are getting too close for comfort for the McCanns.

The burglars, sex predators, child traffickers etc. have been eliminated leaving a single line of enquiry and it was only a few days ago that Colin Sutton was saying the McCanns and their friends should be reinterviewed.

This latest distraction attempt has the McCann xenophobic fingerprints all over it - don't look at us look for the random foreigner.

IMO and all that.

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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 10:49 am

Looks like this latest Sun article is a rehash of this for the 10th anniversary: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/798259/Madeleine-McCann-Latest-prime-suspect-is-a-woman

Is the above the woman in purple?





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Post  Châtelaine on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 12:53 pm

Couldn't see the picture, but: do you think JT?
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Sun 08 Oct 2017, 1:12 pm

Châtelaine wrote:Couldn't see the picture, but: do you think JT?
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Sorry for any confusion, Châtelaine but there is no pic of the woman in purple in the article. From the description it reminds me of her. IIRC she was spotted by Murat's mother?

Here we go: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3453712/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-therories-woman-purple-portugal-apartment/

It also serves to answer a burning question for me! It shows a picture from a video of Jenny Murat that I thought I saw in the Bilton Panorama 10th anniversary doc. Now where is that video!?

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Note the BBC credit (in the article link only!). I'm sure she was on the Bilton doc but edited out for iplayer...
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 09 Oct 2017, 7:21 pm

Does anyone remember seeing video of the Jenny Murat interview of which the above picture is a still of? Or have I finally lost the plot?
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Post  dannii on Mon 09 Oct 2017, 7:54 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Does anyone remember seeing video of the Jenny Murat interview of which the above picture is a still of? Or have I finally lost the plot?


No you aint lost the plot i remember seeing it i think it was discussed after the programme aired about the missing "Jenny Murat" I also recorded it as well and it was'nt on the recording either i re-checked it yesterday and it was'nt there,it was also omitted from the repeat showing as well.
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Mon 09 Oct 2017, 8:05 pm

I've finally found it! cheers

It was on the BBC 22:00 news immediately after the Panorama doc on 3rd May!



The interview starts at 13:43

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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 7:27 pm

At Dannii....

Does the above video interview of Jenny Murat ring a bell for you?
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Post  dannii on Sun 15 Oct 2017, 4:56 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:At Dannii....

Does the above video interview of Jenny Murat ring a bell for you?


No i have'nt seen that before,on the Bilton documentary she was sitting in a chair on the video above she is on a bench.

Plus it was Bilton she was speaking to not the one in the video above.
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