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When did Operation Grange actually start - a FOI request by TB. Did it actually start in 2008 with the 'scoping exercise'

Post  Heisenburg on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 6:29 pm

Heisenburg wrote:I think that Redwood was being deliberately unclear when he dismissed the Tanner sighting and moved it to the Smiths.

Operation Grange aren't interested in Smithman,kind of fits with my thinking,this foi request was taken from cmomm.

4 Two efits of a person suspected of being Madeleine's abductor were  shown on a TV programme, Crimewatch, on 14 October 2013:
A  On what date did Operation Grange first receive these efits?
B  From whom?
C  Is Operation Grange still seeking the public's help in identifying
this man?

ANSWER: These efits were received by the Operation Grange team in September 2008 as part of a dossier of material handed to the MPS by private  investigators that had been working on the case.  The MPS will not comment on whether identifications have or have not been made however the efits do  not form part of any current appeal.


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/madeleine_mccann_case_operation#incoming-1135160


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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 6:37 pm

Operation Grange set up in 2011 but receives a dossier in 2008,how does that work.
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Post  candyfloss on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 7:07 pm

Heisenburg wrote:Operation Grange set up in 2011 but receives a dossier in 2008,how does that work.

Either someone got the date wrong, or....

Op Grange started much earlier than we were told - the so called  ''Scoping Excecise''

which



Started 2008 and finished in 2010.

Then Operation Grange was announced to the public??



snipped from article...


But the official inquiry was formally shelved in July 2008 and since then no police force has been actively looking for the missing child.Former home secretary Alan Johnson commissioned a scoping exercise by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (Ceop) centre to look at the feasibility of carrying out a review of the case.



This was completed in March last year, but Mrs May refused to let him and his wife see it because it was “sensitive”, Mr McCann said during a press conference yesterday.

Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/missing-madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-in-fresh-review-1-3378456




I believe this all started much earlier than some will have you believe and that Rebekah Brookes forced the PM to open Grange.  I believe it started back then.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:53 pm

Oh, smithman is not currently being looked for? They must know who it is then?

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Post  froggy on Sun 01 Apr 2018, 9:31 am

What could possibly have been sensitive about the CEOP exercise? Did it bad mouth the Portuguese or was it something closer to home?
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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 01 Apr 2018, 10:49 am

candyfloss wrote:
Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/missing-madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-in-fresh-review-1-3378456




I believe this all started much earlier than some will have you believe and that Rebekah Brookes forced the PM to open Grange.  I believe it started back then.

From that article,Mrs May then HS

She said officials had continued to work “behind the scenes” in the search for Madeleine, adding: “Although it might not always be in the public eye, the British authorities have never given up on their work to find Madeleine.”

Given this was the case and from the op Task debrief the MET were always involved is it not a natural succession to given it a operations name.

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 01 Apr 2018, 11:09 am

Heisenburg wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Read more at: https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/missing-madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-in-fresh-review-1-3378456




I believe this all started much earlier than some will have you believe and that Rebekah Brookes forced the PM to open Grange.  I believe it started back then.

From that article,Mrs May then HS

She said officials had continued to work “behind the scenes” in the search for Madeleine, adding: “Although it might not always be in the public eye, the British authorities have never given up on their work to find Madeleine.”

Given this was the case and from the op Task debrief the MET were always involved is it not a natural succession to  given it a operations name.

My take on it is it was given that name from the beginning and it is just we were told it when the public were told about the case.  Before that it was quietly progressing but I expect a lot of questions were asked so it became public?  As I said again imo, I believe RB and the Sun had absolutely nada to do with it.  All this talk  of RB blackmailing DC is daft, they were good friends.  All my take on things as usual....

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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 01 Apr 2018, 11:42 am

candyfloss wrote:My take on it is it was given that name from the beginning and it is just we were told it when the public were told about the case.  Before that it was quietly progressing but I expect a lot of questions were asked so it became public?  As I said again imo, I believe RB and the Sun had absolutely nada to do with it.  All this talk  of RB blackmailing DC is daft, they were good friends.  All my take on things as usual....
Not far wrong I'd surmise.
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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 21 Apr 2018, 10:42 am

I see T Bennett as received a response from the MPS.

The answer should have read:

The e FITs were produced in 2008 by private investigators. This information is in the public domain. The below link refers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...

Madeleine McCann went missing in 2007 but Operation Grange did not commence until May 2011. Operation Grange received the e FITs as part of a large dossier of material during a handover from the private investigators in October 2011. This was subsequently worked through and assessed, and the e FITS formed part of that process.

Our original answer was incorrect and unfortunately the error was not
picked up when the draft response was quality assured. We apologise for
this error and for any confusion it may have caused.

I'm sure he won't mind the link.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15039-operation-grange-met-police-uphold-my-foi-act-complaint-the-efits-were-handed-to-operation-grange-in-october-2011#384704
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