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Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 10:16 pm

The Star story has been eclipsed - there's nothing there.
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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 10:23 pm

Freedom wrote:The Star story has been eclipsed - there's nothing there.


Que?

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Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 10:25 pm

candyfloss wrote:Small piece on front of Star tomorrow....


This is all I can see. It may just be me of course!
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Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 10:29 pm

I have the whole front page showing Freedom in the re posted quoted.  Have you got some missing?  Your zoom level may be too high. Smile

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Re: 13TH OCTOBER 2014 ; Forensic Scientists to join Brit Police in Maddie Investigation

Post  Freedom on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 10:47 pm

Normally I can see the newspaper headlines but this time all I have is the white cross on a black background in the corner.

Don't worry, my system is being temperamental today.
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Re: 13TH OCTOBER 2014 ; Forensic Scientists to join Brit Police in Maddie Investigation

Post  candyfloss on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 11:03 pm


  1. ITV Report
  2. 15 October 2014 at 10:37pm

New DNA test hope in search for Madeleine McCann


British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want Portuguese police to apply new techniques to items found in the McCanns' holiday apartment in a bid for a breakthrough in the case.
Scotland Yard officers who returned to the Algarve this week will request local police use the new methods to scrutinise DNA traces on previously tested items.
It is hoped they could reveal information about who was in the Praia da Luz apartment on the night she went missing in May 2007.


http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-15/new-dna-test-hope-in-search-for-madeleine-mccann/


Video on above link with Emma Murphy reporting the story.

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Post  Poppy on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 11:17 pm

Mystery DNA Tests on material recovered from the McCann's apartment detected the DNA of six people, but only five were linked to the British family. FIVE from the British family so why did Gerry need to go back home to Rothley to get Madeleine's pillow when her DNA was in 5a all along? according to the Star and what the bl@@dy hell is a Mystery DNA test. Rolling Eyes



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Re: 13TH OCTOBER 2014 ; Forensic Scientists to join Brit Police in Maddie Investigation

Post  Poppy on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 11:22 pm

candyfloss wrote:Heheh - and this is a good one.........Hurricane GONZALO is set to batter Britain Laughing


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Post  Anne on Thu 16 Oct 2014, 11:28 am

I really don't understand how the MSM are being allowed to mention the recent stories.
Remember this -

Posted by portugalpress on March 03, 2014

Madeleine case: PJ investigators ‘hit back’ at British press

Following endless sensationalist stories in the British press - all claiming inside knowledge of the ongoing Madeleine investigations both here and in the UK - Portugal’s Polícia Judiciária appear to have drawn a line in the sand.

A report by ionline says Portuguese detectives have “advised” the Metropolitan Police that they “refuse to carry out an investigation via newspapers”, particularly as the PJ’s theories are very different to those of British investigators.

“Since the English police decided to set up their own investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English press has been reporting, with frequency, information on police activities underway,” writes ionline.

“A good part of these news reports ends up being unfounded, which increasingly compromises the possibility of cooperation” between the two forces.

One of the major issues the PJ has with the British media circus is that “the two police forces have different lines of investigation, and their policies over communication are also contradictory,” two PJ inspectors who prefer to remain anonymous told ionline. Thus the warning to stop “pronouncing on supposed facts of the Portuguese investigation ... as it is something that the British do not know about”.

The warning echoes words of former Madeleine investigator Gonçalo Amaral - no stranger to sensationalist stories in the British press.

According to Amaral, Portuguese justice “works in silence” - the inference being it should be allowed to do so.

ionline adds that the latest revelations in the British media - picked up by news services all over the world - centred on a ‘secret dossier’ sent to the Met by Portuguese investigators.

“No secret dossier was ever delivered to the Metropolitan Police,” writes the news service, suggesting it was very probably the list of people known to police in the area that had been requested in one of the standard letters of request sent by the Met to the PJ.

As ionline points out, “over the past few months” British newspapers have had a field day, publishing ancient identikit photos drawn up years ago by private investigators and reporting on “thousands of leads” when, in reality, “police are still working on the very basic job of trying to identify mobile phone activity that took place in and around the Ocean Club on the night of May 3 2007 in the Algarve”.

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-pj-investigators-%E2%80%98hit-back%E2%80%99-at-british-press

The British newspapers are still having a field day, why are they still being allowed to get away with it?
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Post  nobodythereeither on Thu 16 Oct 2014, 11:31 am

Anne wrote:
The British newspapers are still having a field day, why are they still being allowed to get away with it?


Because they can.

All they care about is selling papers.
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Post  Anne on Thu 16 Oct 2014, 12:08 pm

nobodythereeither wrote:
Anne wrote:
The British newspapers are still having a field day, why are they still being allowed to get away with it?


Because they can.

All they care about is selling papers.

Well thank God for Goncalo Amaral and all those seeking truth and justice for Madeleine Beth McCann.
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 10:20 am

Latest from Joana.................







Maddie Case: English police plans to re-analyse samples from the resort

17 October 2014 | Posted by  Joana Morais

 


English detectives arrival at PJ headquarters in Faro last Tuesday | Photo Luís Forra/Lusa

by Marisa Rodrigues

The English police are considering sending a new letter rogatory requesting the re-analyses of the samples that were collected at the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared seven years ago. They did not, however, disclose which type of tests nor their worthiness to the investigation.

At the 3-hour meeting, yesterday [15th], at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine(INML) in Coimbra, the Portuguese forensic experts explained that everything had been done exhaustively back in 2007, with techniques more advanced than the ones used in England at the time. But the British police insisted. They wanted to know the present condition of the samples, if they could still be subject to further analyses with more sophisticated methods and if they could be taken to England.

The Portuguese investigators asked what type of tests they intended to perform and with what goal but were left without an answer. JN established that some of the thoroughly analysed samples no longer exist. Others, such as the hairs and remnants of fabric belonging to a curtain from the apartment, may be retested yet again. A decision that depends of the Public Ministry and requires a formal request, via letter rogatory.

The meeting, without precedents, brought together the most senior boards of criminal and forensic investigation. It was attended by the directors of the Judiciary Police of the Algarve, Luís Mota Carmo and Ana Paula Rito, Helena Monteiro, the Oporto PJ coordinator in charge of the review of the process, three experts from the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ as well as experts from the INML, among them one who worked in the case in 2007.

in Jornal de Noticias, 16 Oct. 2014, paper edition

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/10/maddie-case-english-police-plans-to-re.html

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Post  canada12 on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 10:28 am

If the Portuguese have any sense at all they won't let those remaining samples out of their sight, not for one second. And why do they have to be analysed in England?
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Post  Andrew on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 10:28 am

Latest from Textusa as well.

Won't copy and paste the whole thing as will take up about 8 pages.

Worth a read though. If you can spare an hour or so.

http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/sys-significant-moves.html#more
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 11:59 am

Babalou @B_balou 8 mins8 minutes ago
Via @xklamation Vid of DCI Redwood & co at Coimbra & interview with the president of the Forensic Institute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wokexVxwXoY … #McCann






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Post  Andrew on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 12:03 pm

Can't make head or tail of what's being said in that video. Portuguese is a bit rusty these days.

Any idea of what was said..?
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 12:05 pm

Andrew wrote:Can't make head or tail of what's being said in that video. Portuguese is a bit rusty these days.

Any idea of what was said..?


No, I think  from Joana , we will have to wait and hope she does a translation for us.

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Post  Freedom on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 12:20 pm

I've posted it on the MM site as there is a Portuguese speaker there. I'll let you know if she supplies a translation.

P.S This is what she has said.

"It just speaks about the possibility of the forensic evidence being re-tested and the meeting between SY and the Portuguese forensic institute which tested the evidence for the first time to discuss which techniques were used at the time".

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Post  costello on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 3:00 pm

There is a full transcript now on Joana Morais blog, sorry I cannot c/p.


Thanks Andrew.


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Post  Andrew on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 3:10 pm

Broadcast by CMTV, 16 Oct. 2014

Transcript
CMTV News anchor - Madeleine McCann [case] DNA samples, that were collected in 2007, are going to be re-analysed. The request was made by the Scotland Yard detectives that are in Portugal investigating the case.

Cátia Vicente [voice over] - Most of the biological vestiges collected in May 2007 are in this building and may now be retested yet again at the request of Scotland Yard. In a meeting that lasted about three hours the English police wanted to know the methods of the Forensics Institute when they performed the analyses of the samples.

Francisco Brízida Martins [INML director] - The English police authorities understood they should receive an explanation about the methods used by the Institute at the time when the analyses were done, at an early stage of the process, those were genetic and biological tests, extensive analyses, in fact, this process that came to the Institute was the most tested to the day.

Cátia Vicente - The technology progress in the last seven years may bring new answers. In order for the samples to be re-tested the English detectives will have to send a new letter rogatory requesting the analyses.

Francisco Brízida Martins [INML director] - The Institute is naturally available to perform other tests, observing that, however that everything must be ordered and decided by the judicial authorities, that is, within the scope of the inquest that is ongoing in Portugal, thus by the Public Ministry and eventually within the framework of judicial cooperation if requested by the English authorities.

Cátia Vicente - The re-analyses of the samples might be done in Portugal or in England. The technique and the methods will be the same as the ones used in 2007, however the technological progress currently allows to extract and obtain more information.

Francisco Brízida Martins [INML director] - The procedure will be the same, the result, however, can achieve - we're talking about markers, for example - today we can go beyond and achieve better results. That is the result that eventually can be found, we can go further today than we were able a few years ago.

Cátia Vicente - The coordinator of the English investigation, Andy Redwood, refused to make any comments about the meeting, where experts from the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ and inspectors from the Judiciary Police of Faro were also present.
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Post  nobodythereeither on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 3:38 pm

"We're talking about markers etc".

Excellent!

They can't be just looking to match DNA of an "intruder", can they?

All fingers and toes crossed.
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Post  Andrew on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 4:38 pm

Andrew I have moved this post to the CMOMM members have their say thread.......it will have been seen by now I'm sure -  AdminWink
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 17 Oct 2014, 5:27 pm

Andrew see above post ^^^^

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Re: 13TH OCTOBER 2014 ; Forensic Scientists to join Brit Police in Maddie Investigation

Post  paracetamol on Sat 18 Oct 2014, 11:16 am

This seems to be going faster. After the Smith man, they finaly went to the apartment. And now they will cancel the possibility of a stranger abductor and they will arrive at the parents. cheers
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