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Post  Freedom on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 11:39 am

I can't say how the episode ended - for the benefit of those who haven't seen it yet - but that is nothing like the McCann case or even the dingo baby one.
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Post  candyfloss on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 1:45 pm

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Freedom wrote:I've watched episode 3 and can't say too much other than if the writer wasn't influenced in some way by the McCann case, then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

I'll just mention a comment from Alistair (the father who makes Gerry McCann seem like a nice person) - people are entitled to their opinions as to whether he and Joanna were involved but it's taking attention away from the need for everyone to search for their child.

OMG that's almost a direct lift, isn't it?

In the Mirror today.....


The Cry author says Madeleine McCann case DID inspire BBC drama

15 OCT 2018

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/cry-author-says-madeleine-mccann-13419206

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Post  Freedom on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 1:50 pm

It was impossible to believe that there was no thought of the McCanns in the writing of the book.

It's good that The Mirror has made the link.
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Post  candyfloss on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 1:51 pm

Lies and cover-ups start to unravel in dramatic penultimate episode of The Cry


https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-10-14/the-cry-ep-3-recap/

Don't read this if you haven't watched it yet!

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Post  Lee T G on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 2:12 pm

candyfloss wrote:
Lee T G wrote:
Freedom wrote:I've watched episode 3 and can't say too much other than if the writer wasn't influenced in some way by the McCann case, then I'm the Queen of Sheba.

I'll just mention a comment from Alistair (the father who makes Gerry McCann seem like a nice person) - people are entitled to their opinions as to whether he and Joanna were involved but it's taking attention away from the need for everyone to search for their child.

OMG that's almost a direct lift, isn't it?

In the Mirror today.....


The Cry author says Madeleine McCann case DID inspire BBC drama

15 OCT 2018

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/cry-author-says-madeleine-mccann-13419206

Ooer. Looks like everyone is drawing parallels. Fancy the Mirror saying so, though.
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Post  Freedom on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 4:36 pm

Surely the McCanns - or one of their nameless pals who gets quoted in newspapers - will make a statement soon about this?
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Post  mrjnh on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 4:46 pm

candyfloss wrote:

In the Mirror today.....

The Cry author says Madeleine McCann case DID inspire BBC drama

15 OCT 2018

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/cry-author-says-madeleine-mccann-13419206

That Mirror article was written by an 'audience growth editor'. You have to ask which audience, precisely?
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Post  PMR on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 8:07 pm

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Post  Freedom on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 8:51 pm

That's easier said than done!
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Post  dogs don't lie on Tue 16 Oct 2018, 9:56 pm

Jeez, just watched the 3rd episode, this reminds me of something... just can't put my finger on it scratch

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Post  Freedom on Sun 21 Oct 2018, 6:08 pm

The last episode is on tonight.

I'll probably watch it tomorrow so no giving the ending away please!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bpwm2p/the-cry-series-1-episode-4

P.S. Just watched it - a bit of a disappointment.
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Post  mrjnh on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 1:25 pm

Agreed, a rather damp squib, IMO!
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Post  candyfloss on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 1:43 pm

I haven't watched any of the episodes yet, as for some reason my tv upstairs won't get catch up or on demand.... I think a phone call is in order!  It comes out on DVD soon anyway.

I have been reading though that the ending in the book is rather different to what was portrayed in the final episode.  Anyone who has read the book and seen the episode confirm?

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Post  Freedom on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 2:17 pm

It sounds from this review of the book that the ending is what was revealed at the end of episode 2 in the TV version.

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-happens-in-the-cry-the-book-the-truth-behind-baby-noahs-disappearance-is-heartbreaking-12119100

Not to be read if you haven't seen the TV version yet!

It seems that the TV ending is nothing like the book.
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Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:24 pm

Damn, I wanted a bit more! What a horrible thing to do to her though Shocked

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Post  candyfloss on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:01 pm



I haven't watched it yet.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 11:41 pm

Oops, sorry Surprised

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Pat Brown - THE CRY AND THE McCANN STORY

Post  candyfloss on Fri 26 Oct 2018, 9:15 am

I will give this its own topic for now then merge later...……


The Cry and the McCann Story




I have read the book and I have seen the BBC series and I am surprised at how few people recognize that this IS a fiction story pretty much based on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Although I am sure the McCanns would deny it and the author h as seemingly denied it (by saying the story was inspired by a number of different missing children’s cases), this story is extraordinarily close to the reality of the McCanns and what happened to Maddie (not directly, but in connection with the issues of the Madeleine McCann case). If it walks like a McCann duck....


First of all, I thought both the book and the show were quite good. I complement the author and the producer and the actors. As an author myself who has written fiction, I can tell you that many authors use real life stories to build a fictional story on. Quite frankly, a great true story is an easy way to have your fictional story write itself without having to come up with the idea and all the elements. Having said that, I thought the author mixed her own unique ideas in with the reality and made a fine fictional drama. Also, it is not unusual for people whom we know and behaviors which we have seen to end up in a fiction story. After all, it IS fiction so we can do what we like. At least in theory.


The Cry by Helen Fitzgerald is said to be fiction but it has so much of the McCann story woven in that I am sure a certain legal group could find the story to be defamatory of the McCanns and that it purports a theory of what happened to Maddie and only covers it with a thin veil of “it’s made up and has nothing to do with her.” I find it quite fascinating that a publisher was willing to take the risk of publishing this book. Morever, that the BBC was willing to make The Cry into a series with little changed from what the author wrote is stunning considering they are totally unwilling to make a documentary about the Madeleine McCann case that dares to present the possibility of their involvement. Perhaps they know the McCanns are running out of money to sue people or there is something else afoot (not the arrest of the McCanns, by any stretch).


SPOILERS AHEAD! If you want to enjoy reading the book or watching the series, stop here and come back when you are done.


Let’s see how similar this fiction is to the story of Madeleine McCann.


The couple, Alistair and Joanna, are not married (but they are partners) and they have one child together, a 9-month-old baby boy, Noah. The McCanns had two other children together to consider when things went wrong, and the daughter of Alistair becomes one of the reasons he and Joanna cannot tell the truth about what happened to their son; Alistair wants to be able to still have a relationship with his daughter. They are from the UK (living in Scotland) and are off to Australia, not for a vacation, but because Alistair wants to get his teenage daughter back from the clutches of his ex-wife and bring her back to Scotland.


On the plane, little baby Noah cries and cries and cries. Joanna pretty much falls apart (she was a happy single woman who then met Alistair, got into a relationship with a partner who puts his needs first, and isn’t dealing well with the stress of motherhood and caring for a baby). She gives the baby some Calpol (BWAHAHA! Yep, nothing like what might have happened to Maddie!) or at least she thinks she did (and is concerned it wasn’t the Calpol but an adult antibiotic) As they get off the plane and into the car, Alistair carries the baby and puts him in the car seat and off they drive. Somewhere along the way in the middle of the outback (I guess), Alistair needs to make a phone call and stops the car and gets out. Joanna checks on the baby and, lo and behold, the child is dead. They panic, freak out, runabout, cry, and then Alistair makes a plan that he forces Joanna into by saying 1) it was an accident and not anyone’s fault, 2) if we tell the truth YOU and, maybe me, will go to prison, and 3) I will not have a chance of custody with my daughter. 


So, the plan is made and they drove to a store (after visiting where they are staying) and Alistair goes in and then Joanna runs in, leaving the baby alone in the car which is when the child goes “missing.”


All the details of the rest of the story are not necessary but here are some other similarities. Joanna wants to keep the bib the child was wearing because it smells like him. Very similar to a toy Kate kept because it was something keeping her close to Maddie. Gerry (or Kate) washes the toy which is odd because it eliminates evidence (if they are innocent) and odd because it eliminates the smell of the child as well. Alistair burns the bib because he knows it has evidence of some drug on it. Alistair is seen with a bag that presumably holds his baby’s body and he goes off to bury the baby without Joanna knowing where. I believe evidence supports that Gerry did a similar thing, moving the body of Maddie in a sports bag and burying her in an isolated area without Kate by his side.


So, they lie to the police, everyone searches for the baby except them, and eventually the police give up and they return home. They become suspects at some point but nothing is proven. The media is all over them and they become notorious. Social media goes nuts with people taking sides as to their guilt or not.

The basic story of this couple is extremely similar to the McCanns. Sure, the number of children is changed, where the baby died is different, but we still have an accidental death  brought on by a drug  (my theory and the theory of Goncalo Amaral along with a fall behind the couch), a cover-up by the parents, fame and media attention, social media scrutiny and a return home where they remain free on any charges of killing their child. Left out are any helpful friends, a fund and search by private detectives, and the dogs.

Now the couple is a most fascinating portrait of Kate and Gerry, I mean, Joanna and Alistair. Clearly, the author, if she is basing Alistair’s character on Gerry in any way DOES NOT like Gerry. He is presented as a weasel, a control freak, a liar, a manipulator (he really was the one who gave the overdose of Calpol to the baby and let Joanna think it was her fault), and he courts the media and is excited about getting a book deal and doing big TV shows. Sound familiar? Joanna sure seems a lot like Kate although she get a bit of a softer treatment in that the author presents Joanna as not a bad person but one in over her head with a master manipulator like Alistair. It almost seems as if the author might have a soft corner for Kate and think she really was not responsible for what happened to Maddie; that it really WAS Gerry’s fault and she is purporting her own theory of what happend to Madeleine McCann through her book, The Cry. Accidental death, parental coverup, Kate controlled by Gerry, and Gerry presents as a psychopath.

I would really love to know if the author read Amaral’s book or my book and understood our theories and what the evidence supports. But, we may never know because, well, if I were her, I wouldn’t want to throw my own self under the McCann bus, right?

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Post  unreorganised on Fri 26 Oct 2018, 10:55 am

candyfloss wrote:First of all, I thought both the book and the show were quite good. I complement the author and the producer and the actors. As an author myself who has written fiction, I can tell you that many authors use real life stories to build a fictional story on

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Re: The Cry - new TV drama

Post  Lee T G on Fri 26 Oct 2018, 12:46 pm

Huh. Tell that to the birds, Hitchcock.
Oh. Wait...
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Post  Antonia on Sun 28 Oct 2018, 5:44 pm

I have ordered the book and it should arrive any day now. Saw the TV series. The only significant difference is that Alistair and Joanna did not set up a limited company days after their child went 'missing.' That part of the story was in Australia - maybe you cannot set up a company as quickly as you can in the UK? or more likely the author left it out to minimise the risks of being sued by carter Ruck?
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Post  Freedom on Sun 28 Oct 2018, 6:43 pm

There were some parts in the TV series which had no resemblance at all to the McCanns. I will be very interested to know how the book differs from the series and whether some things were deliberately changed because they were too like the McCanns.
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