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Post  dantezebu on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 7:52 am

Tristar wrote:Bonny Tyler and George Galloway too - it appears

Funny you mention the lovely Bonny. She is a good friend and client of Diane Lazarus. One of the psychics who was called over to PdeL within a few days of the disappearance.
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Post  Andrew on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 7:52 am

Emerald wrote:This surely has to be the end game?

I positively think so Emerald.

I think when this phase 3 has concluded then sudden arrests will be made.

I would love to be a fly in the Mccann camp right now to see first hand what they are saying about everything.
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Post  Poe on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 9:19 am

I think (hope) this is endgame too and if the police are being clever then this news won't be what it seems.

Supposing I were DCI Redwood, I'd want the McCanns (and their legal team) off guard. So, I'd release snippets of information hidden away in the spin that make it look like the investigation is pootling along nicely but, while warning them that the net is closing, the conclusion is still many weeks or months away.

Right now, it is being widely publicised that the next stage is going to happen in 2 weeks. What if this is a bluff? SY could be ready to make arrests.

The media are used to treating the McCanns with kid gloves so I wouldn't be surprised to find that if they are arrested it is not reported until they are formally charged. Needless to say, once charged, those kid gloves will be well and truly off and the press will have a field day.

Of course, this line of thinking is most likely wrong and the investigation is simply planning to question more witnesses ...but I can hope.


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Post  Andrew on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 9:22 am

Makes perfect sense to me Poe.

I like it.
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Post  Andrew on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 10:08 am

Funnily enough I just popped over to the newsagents across the way and when I was in there an eldish couple were paying for a few bits in front of me and had a copy of the Mirror. The gent piped up with 'it looks like it could be the parents after all' - referring to the headline 'Police to quiz British man and woman'. I just casually replied 'I am sure it was' before they walked off.

Anyway the point if indeed there is one to my rambling is that maybe the media are very subtlety shaping the public's perception all be it in a round about way back to the parents involvement...

Just a thought I had when walking back. Probably wrong.

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Post  Guest on Tue 11 Nov 2014, 11:45 am

Justformaddiemccann wrote:2 women now mentioned?

Annie Wiltshire and Jayne Jensen ???
Are they going after Murat ???
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Post  Poe on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 9:27 am

Andrew wrote:Funnily enough I just popped over to the newsagents across the way and when I was in there an eldish couple were paying for a few bits in front of me and had a copy of the Mirror. The gent piped up with 'it looks like it could be the parents after all' - referring to the headline 'Police to quiz British man and woman'. I just casually replied 'I am sure it was' before they walked off.

Anyway the point if indeed there is one to my rambling is that maybe the media are very subtlety shaping the public's perception all be it in a round about way back to the parents involvement...

Just a thought I had when walking back. Probably wrong.


I agree that there's a subtle pr battle going on between the McCanns and the police for hearts and minds but in the end it won't matter.

Look at Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall - both much loved icons but both now viewed with contempt. No rioting in the streets when they were arrested, no outrage at the injustice, and after their convictions a general acceptance of their guilt.

Kate and Gerry have never had that kind of public adoration and they aren't going to get public support when the truth finally does come out.
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Post  Helenmeg on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 9:33 am

I hope you are both right - but I do feel more optimistic about these latest developments.
Especially when you see how far they have come - in gradual steps - i.e.:
1. she died in apartment
2. E fits of Gerry (possibly) on Crimewatch
3. Ocean Club members
4. Ex Pats to be questioned...

Like you say, they have been shaping perception of the public gradually, proved by the man in the paper shop..

and I was also reading in todays papers about Theresa May saying she cannot deny there may have been a cover up in the Home Office some years ago regarding 'Paedophilia' and that she will 'uncover it'.....all encouraging
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Post  Cristobell on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 12:38 pm

Poe wrote:
Andrew wrote:Funnily enough I just popped over to the newsagents across the way and when I was in there an eldish couple were paying for a few bits in front of me and had a copy of the Mirror. The gent piped up with 'it looks like it could be the parents after all' - referring to the headline 'Police to quiz British man and woman'. I just casually replied 'I am sure it was' before they walked off.

Anyway the point if indeed there is one to my rambling is that maybe the media are very subtlety shaping the public's perception all be it in a round about way back to the parents involvement...

Just a thought I had when walking back. Probably wrong.


I agree that there's a subtle pr battle going on between the McCanns and the police for hearts and minds but in the end it won't matter.

Look at Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall - both much loved icons but both now viewed with contempt. No rioting in the streets when they were arrested, no outrage at the injustice, and after their convictions a general acceptance of their guilt.

Kate and Gerry have never had that kind of public adoration and they aren't going to get public support when the truth finally does come out.


Its quite bizarre the way in which the McCanns have used the extreme emotions of love and hate throughout this case. Those who disbelieve the abduction story are said to HATE the McCanns - that is the word 'hate' is taken and used completely out of context in a way that dismisses the reasoning behind the doubts of the 'haters'.

As for the love, one of the most fascinating aspects of this case is watching megalomania in action. Any 'normal' parents would have kept a low profile and thanked their lucky stars they were not in prison, but the McCanns wanted global recognition and indeed worship. They lacked the strength to go out and search but they never missed a photo call. Indeed, they used their twins to illustrate their good parenting, just before dropping them at the crèche for someone else to look after. They sought the limelight with the gusto of a 'I want it more than anything' X-factor hopeful, taking every opportunity to get their egos on the front page headlines. It was clear within a week that they had the celebrity bug and their need to be followed by crowds of journalists and photographers became apparent. Team McCann were churning out headlines at a rate of 10 a week - each 'leak' to the press, guaranteeing the needy couple more attention and 'love'.

I truly believe Gerry saw a future with himself as the UK equivalent of the John Walsh (father of a murdered child) a television personality fronting the US multi million government project the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children - Jim Gamble's dream for CEOP perhaps?

Kate is desperately crying out for approval of her fantasy childcare skills, skills that to the outside world appear non existent. Perhaps she saw her future as an author of Good Parenting books, an advisor to lessor mothers who lack her own particular skills. It wasn't enough for Gerry and Kate to be forgiven for their minor 'it could happen to anyone' mistake, they have a need to be loved and applauded. As the youngest of doting elder siblings, Gerry is used to praise and encouragement and being he centre of attention - he went on to become a doctor because of it. Kate, the only child of a socially ambitious mother learned her (pretentious) elevated status in life at a very young age - looking down her nose comes naturally to Kate.

Both have been told throughout their lives that they deserve (more than most) to be loved, and are struggling to accept that they are not. The only way they can explain this lack of love, is to convert it to hate, that is something they are familiar with - 'ignore them, they are jealous of you, that's why they hate you' is something they have been told all their lives. Its something our parents have said to us, and its something we say to our own offspring. In the case of Gerry and Kate, they have clung onto it obsessively using the self belief and dismissal of others in order to gain success in the careers and their lives. If people are not cheering the special Gerry and the special Kate on, then they must hate them for their superior looks and intelligence - that is all the explanation these two simpletons need. And they are indeed simple, they may be able to pass medical exams, but both are completely bereft of emotional intelligence. There are no shades of grey for them, everything is black and white. Love and Hate, surprised Gerry hasn't got it tattooed onto his knuckles.

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Post  Mimi on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 1:26 pm

ChillyHeat wrote:
Justformaddiemccann wrote:2 women now mentioned?

Annie Wiltshire and Jayne Jensen ???
Are they going after Murat ???
scratch

That thought had crossed my mind
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 5:24 pm

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the BBC again haven't run this story, online at least. For me this says the BBC, with the Crimewatch connection, are deeply embedded in OG and will have the scoop on any real developments. They are also the only one? following Mark Rowley's appeal to the media on reporting in the case.

It would be really interesting if OG is a whitewash though (as some believe). How will the BBC/Crimewatch play that scenario?

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Post  Guest on Wed 12 Nov 2014, 7:49 pm

Poe wrote:I think (hope) this is endgame too and if the police are being clever then this news won't be what it seems.

Supposing I were DCI Redwood, I'd want the McCanns (and their legal team) off guard. So, I'd release snippets of information hidden away in the spin that make it look like the investigation is pootling along nicely but, while warning them that the net is closing, the conclusion is still many weeks or months away.

Right now, it is being widely publicised that the next stage is going to happen in 2 weeks. What if this is a bluff? SY could be ready to make arrests.

The media are used to treating the McCanns with kid gloves so I wouldn't be surprised to find that if they are arrested it is not reported until they are formally charged. Needless to say, once charged, those kid gloves will be well and truly off and the press will have a field day.

Of course, this line of thinking is most likely wrong and the investigation is simply planning to question more witnesses ...but I can hope.



Excellent post, Poe, and I share your optimism.

I feel the investigation is further along than this piece of news would suggest and, as you say, these snippets are designed to keep the McCanns and their legal team guessing.

I stand to be corrected but I believe that arrests have to be reported, even if they don't name the individuals  - habeas corpus and all that.

I do think that when the arrests come, it won't just be the McCanns or elements of the Tapas 7 but dozens of people, all connected after the fact.  Maybe this is why the investigation is taking so long.

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Post  Poe on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:28 am

Winston Smith wrote:
I stand to be corrected but I believe that arrests have to be reported, even if they don't name the individuals  - habeas corpus and all that.

I haven't got a clue Embarassed Smile

But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Would the media dare report these arrests when there is the slightest chance that the couple might be released without charge and set Carter Ruck on them? Or would they wait until they have been charged?

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Post  Guest on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:44 am

I would think that if they were arrested, then there's nothing Carter Ruck could do, even if they were not charged, it's a standard police procedure and not in the least libelous..look at Cliff, he has the money and the means to sue for having the search of his home all over the press, but he hasn't.

I also don't think the McCanns have got the money for Carter Ruck now anyway. Additionally, I don't think SY would arrest them unless they had all the necessary evidence to charge them, that is also why I believe it's taking so long, the case has to be watertight imo

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Post  Guest on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:31 pm

Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

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Post  Poppy on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:40 pm

Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy Who do you think the other 23 are.
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Post  Guest on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:49 pm

Poppy wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy  Who do you think the other 23 are.

To be honest, Poppy, I plucked the figure out of thin air.

Very Happy

But I do think there are at least that many people - family, employees, associates, shills - who are guilty of perverting the course of justice.  

And worse.

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:51 pm

Poppy wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy  Who do you think the other 23 are.

Careful, can't go naming people

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Post  Guest on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 9:54 pm

candyfloss wrote:
Poppy wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy  Who do you think the other 23 are.

Careful, can't go naming people

Heaven forbid, Candyfloss . . .

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:03 pm

Winston Smith wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Poppy wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy  Who do you think the other 23 are.

Careful, can't go naming people

Heaven forbid, Candyfloss . . .

Shocked

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Post  Poppy on Thu 13 Nov 2014, 10:21 pm

Winston Smith wrote:
Poppy wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
Poe wrote:
But that raises an interesting point: when Rolf Harris was arrested, his age and his county of residence (Berkshire) were given but not his name. So, if the police report that they have arrested a man and woman both aged 46 and living in Leicestershire, they haven't named them but the implication would be that it's Gerry & Kate McCann.

Every morning, when my radio alarm goes off at 7am, I listen to Radio 2 for news that a man and woman, both aged 46 and from Leicestershire, have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

And that 23 others have also been arrested in dawn raids . . .

Very Happy  Who do you think the other 23 are.

To be honest, Poppy, I plucked the figure out of thin air.

Very Happy

But I do think there are at least that many people - family, employees, associates, shills - who are guilty of perverting the course of justice.  

And worse.


I Absolutaley agree with you Winston.Madeleine an awkward 3 year old,just an innocent child not fully in control of her own mind unable to think like an adult, I often wonder if the McCann's do know what happened to her, Kate will be eaten away by guilt because if Madeleine was an awkward little bugger back then she may not be now, and Kate might be thinking of the wonderful little teenage Daughter she could have had.
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