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Post  Bampots on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 12:22 am

Let's try and drag this back to Robert Murat. I tried to find an express article linking Robert Murat and Sergi Malinka (brought back in last year for OG in Portugal) and failed. Found this copy of article in a site called Sacred Monkeys about missing children I think from the USA (not looked through it so know nothing of it!) here is a partial bit as posted there with a link which goes to express site,which in turn says it's been whooshed....no news there eh!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1140.1120



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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7513

May 30, 2007
By Matt Drake

Police in the Algarve confirmed Murat is their chief suspect but under Portugese law they need further evidence before they can arrest him, let alone press charges.

It is believed they are waiting for the results of DNA samples.  Yesterday it emerged that the jobless Murat, a former estate agent, had met Russian Sergey Malinka, the other man at the centre of the inquiry, the day before Madeleine was snatched.

Murat, whose claims of innocence are dogged by alleged inconsistencies, has refused to reveal what the encounter was about.

Last night detectives were examining fresh evidence that Malinka, 22, a Moscow-born IT expert, wiped clean hundreds of files on his computer hard drive minutes before police swooped on his apartment in Praia da Luz. He denies any involvement in her disappearance.

Both men have been questioned about a series of telephone calls between them in the hours immediately after Madeleine was taken from the up-market Mark Warner Ocean Club holiday resort 17 days ago.

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Forensic experts have found no evidence of Madeleine having been taken to Murat’s home, but checks have revealed that Malinka telephoned Murat’s landline at 10.30pm on May 3, just 30 minutes after the girl went missing.

When Murat did not answer, Malinka is reported to have called Murat’s elderly mother Jennifer. Phone records show the men were in regular contact in the vital few hours after the kidnap.

Mrs Eveleigh, who runs a bed and breakfast near Praia da Luz, confirmed Murat had met Malinka shortly before the youngster, from Rothley, Leics, disappeared.

“Robert did meet with Sergey. He is just not certain which day it was,” she said. “He does not remember speaking to Sergey on the phone on the night the little girl
vanished.”

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The article was snipped but interesting all the same............
Now there seems some confusion to me ,is Mrs Eveleigh Roberts mother(I thought she was Mrs Murat?)or was this the aunt with the holiday let? The question of Maddy being in Murats property has been spoken about by Textusa who IIRC thinks that Madeleine was taken in a van hence no forensics

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Freedom on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 1:00 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566026/Madeleine-McCann-Murat-in-plea-to-police.html

Perhaps there's a paragraph missing from the extract. Mrs Eveleigh is the one who runs the guest house per the above link but other reports say that she lives in Plymouth and runs an adoption agency!
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Walt on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 7:25 am

Andrew wrote:Again, all this last minute stuff... Indicates to me it was all last minute and massive panic it was.

Grabbing a stickerbook and tearing off a page to jot down 2 scenarios.

The cock and bull statements from anyone close and including the Mc's... I mean that list goes on.

Gerry inadvertently met the Smiths.. etc.

It really could be and probably is as simple as all that.

Under the influence and pressure ... etc.

Imo etc.
But not rushed enough to be able to clean the apartment ,seemingly.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  dogs don't lie on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 9:33 am

In certain circumstances, thorough cleaning would be high on the list IMO.

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Andrew on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 10:14 am

Walt wrote:
Andrew wrote:Again, all this last minute stuff... Indicates to me it was all last minute and massive panic it was.

Grabbing a stickerbook and tearing off a page to jot down 2 scenarios.

The cock and bull statements from anyone close and including the Mc's... I mean that list goes on.

Gerry inadvertently met the Smiths.. etc.

It really could be and probably is as simple as all that.

Under the influence and pressure ... etc.

Imo etc.
But not rushed enough to be able to clean the apartment ,seemingly.

Rushed enough to grab anything they can to help clean the apartment.... a toothbrush for example.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 7:02 pm

In reply to Walt and on Smithman thread to ciawoman......this from Dr Roberts yesterday...

le).

"We don’t really know what Robert Murat was wearing that morning; the different accounts conflict. We can however tell that his self-aggrandizing explanation for his presence in and around the Ocean Club on Friday 4 May is an exaggeration at the very least, a lie at worst, as is his claim, again made during his ‘arguido’ interview that:


“never in his life has he entered the apartment where Madeleine was when she disappeared, neither before nor after the events under investigation."
‘Never’ was a rather dangerous word to use under the circumstances, especially when one considers Weijdom’s further evidence:"

“On that morning the witness saw Murat moving around the site a lot and saw him

RM claims never in his life has he entered the apartment where Madeleine was when she dissapeared......so did he enter it after or did he go to another where she dissapeared from....
This caught my attention last night so what to make of it...im off to find out ! Could she have been taken somewhere else first after the event to allow a clean up?

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 7:20 pm

Wasn't one blog post of Dr Roberts that talked of 5J? being used, Bampots?
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Walt on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 8:01 pm

Bampots wrote:In reply to Walt and on Smithman thread to ciawoman......this from Dr Roberts yesterday...

le).

"We don’t really know what Robert Murat was wearing that morning; the different accounts conflict. We can however tell that his self-aggrandizing explanation for his presence in and around the Ocean Club on Friday 4 May is an exaggeration at the very least, a lie at worst, as is his claim, again made during his ‘arguido’ interview that:


“never in his life has he entered the apartment where Madeleine was when she disappeared, neither before nor after the events under investigation."
‘Never’ was a rather dangerous word to use under the circumstances, especially when one considers Weijdom’s further evidence:"

“On that morning the witness saw Murat moving around the site a lot and saw him

RM claims never in his life has he entered the apartment where Madeleine was when she dissapeared......so did he enter it after or did he go to another where she dissapeared from....
This caught my attention last night so what to make of it...im off to find out ! Could she have been taken somewhere else first after the event to allow a clean up?

Food for thought Bampots.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Dee Coy on Fri 16 Oct 2015, 8:02 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Wasn't one blog post of Dr Roberts that talked of 5J? being used, Bampots?

Yeah - we discussed it on here. Interesting stuff.

http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t763-apartment-5j

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  candyfloss on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 8:59 pm

Just putting this here for information for dear old err Verdi waffling again, who seems to think Murat just walked off the street volunteered and was taken on by PJ, when in fact he was known to them and had worked for them before.  There were plenty of articles at the time, but here is one,


Wednesday, 19 December 2007


Murat recommended as translator by British diplomatic staff


Staff from Bill Henderson's office suggested the name of Robert Murat as a reliable translator who could be used in the police inquiry, the days following Madeleine McCann disappearance. Murat was already known among diplomatic staff, as he had recommendation letters from Norfolk Police, where he worked for Bernard Matthews, one of the largest poultry farm companies in UK, which employs hundreds of Portuguese workers. The fact that Robert Murat has acted, before, as translator for Norfolk Police, and the recommendation issued by Bill Henderson's office, at the time the British consul in Algarve, took police to accept the suggestion, according to PJ sources. After Murat was named a formal suspect, Police went through all translations he has done, checking its accuracy, but no problem was found, according to the same sources. Bill Henderson retired from his diplomatic post and went back to UK in August.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/murat-recommended-as-translator-by.html

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 9:35 pm

Is it me,or do we have another "Kate" coincidence with RM being known by Bill Hendersons office and recommended by them,then becomes suspect numero Uno?

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Poe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:09 am

Bampots wrote:Is it me,or do we have another "Kate" coincidence with RM being known by Bill Hendersons office and recommended by them,then becomes suspect numero Uno?

And then Bill Henderson retired.

They were dropping like flies after Madeleine disappeared - the priest, the ambassador, Goncalo Amaral, the nannies and Bill Henderson. I wonder how many others were transferred, retired or moved on?
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 4:22 pm

I try not to conspire theories about Madeleines disappearance, but some things jump off the page at you in this confounded tragic mess....all the relationships and previous between seemingly random people is a large headf#ck at times!

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Sun 31 Jan 2016, 10:40 pm

Elsewhere on Cristobells blog Not-textusa (who has made it a mission to tell the world how wrong Textusa is.....funny thought everyone thinks she's barmy anyway!)made a comment which made me think....

NT on RM...
....As for the rest of your post, he was back and forth regularly; he chose to stay on because he had been helping out. Why shouldn't he be decorating his sister's house? He hired a car because his own was in use, it's none of your business where he went in it, he was investigated by the police and they found no evidence against him whatsoever.
(Not-textusa comment  Cristobell Unbound 31/01)


Well i have no idea what they found about Robert Murat,but whatever they didn't find,they decided to bring him in for questioning again......maybe to explain they had no evidence....maybe not? Ok maybe he seen something,or maybe they wanted to ask him if his mother collected any interesting evidence!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11240732/Madeleine-McCann-Police-want-to-speak-to-Robert-Murat-as-part-of-ongoing-investigation.html

By Martin Evans, Crime Correspondent2:11PM GMT 19 Nov 2014
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want to speak to British expat Robert Murat as part of their ongoing enquiries, it has been claimed.
Mr Murat, who lived close to the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz, was first questioned as an “arguido” or person of interest in 2007.
The IT specialist, who still lives on the Algarve, was subsequently cleared of any involvement in the case and won substantial damages from a number of British media organisations over their coverage of the story.
But it is now understood that as part of Operation Grange, Scotland Yard’s fresh investigative review into Madeleine’s disappearance, Mr Murat is one of a group of potentially key witnesses they are hoping to interview.
Speaking to The Guardian, Mr Murat, said neither he nor his lawyers had been informed of the development, but that he was happy to cooperate in any way to help the investigation.
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He said: “My conscience is clear and I have no problem speaking to police again.”
It is thought any interviews would be carried out by officers from the Portuguese, Policia Judiciaria, but detectives from Scotland Yard would be permitted to sit in on the meetings.
Operation Grange was launched in order to review the original Portuguese police investigation and determine if there were any lines of inquiry that could still be pursued.
Earlier this year officers from the British team were present in Praia da Luz when excavations were carried out on wasteland in and around the resort.
Police in Portugal have also interviewed a number of witnesses and potential suspects as part of the investigation.
Last year the BBC’s Crimewatch programme generated hundreds of calls from the public when it broadcast two fresh e-fit images of a man they wanted to question in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance.
In April Scotland Yard revealed it was also investigating whether the abduction could have had something to do with a spate of sex attacks carried out against youngsters across the Algarve prior to Madeleine’s disappearance.
A spokesman for Scotland Yard said they would not be giving a running commentary on the latest developments.

So does anyone have a thought as to what Robert Murat may have seen or any reason the MPS asked for his prescence given that they "found no evidence against him whatsoever"

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Heisenburg on Mon 01 Feb 2016, 8:42 pm

Bampots wrote:

So does anyone have a thought as to what Robert Murat may have seen or any reason the MPS asked for his prescence given that they "found no evidence against him whatsoever"

I wonder if he was supposed to have been involved in some way,some one failing to jemmy the shutters,going for a stroll carrying a child,some were prepared to say he was around the apartment on the night it kicked off,GM no comment,instead of saying I'd like to ring his blooming neck,all musing's,opinion and all that.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:33 am

Read somewhere that the PJ took swabs for DNA from Robert Murat .....does anyone know if this is in the files and can give a link?

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Dee Coy on Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:48 am

Bampots wrote: Read somewhere that the PJ took swabs for DNA from Robert Murat .....does anyone know if this is in the files and can give a link?

Surely they must have done? They found the tenuous DNA match to him in Burgau that along with a tenuous match to Jane Tanner. Therefore they must have had samples from both RM and JT to which they could compare these findings?

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Oddball of the Algarve...?

Post  Rosa canina on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 4:45 am

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/.../Madeleine-suspect-Oddball-Algarve.html


An article I found interesting - I didn't know Michaela had been married

prior to wedding Mr Antonio (presumably to a Mr Matias)

nor had I seen the picture of the bubble-haired-Di-eyed blonde lady before -

- next to one of Jenny Murat - I presume that's Dawn Chapman/Murat...?


No apparent byline as to who wrote this article, and I'm slightly bemused at

the capitalization of the F after the colon here:


"As they mounted an undercover watch on Robert Murat and his Algarve family villa,

the Portuguese police had one overriding priority: Find Madeleine."


Maybe not too surprising, seeing as this article went out the day the Fund was launched...?


'Oddball' is not a commonly used term over here -

I think someone'd have to be seriously bent to get called that by the press -

- yet Robert Murat (he can't help his glass eye) - the more I look at him,

the more ordinary he seems - and he's posher than I first thought.


What does give me pause for thought in the above article, though,

is the doorknocking missions Rob and Mickey went on for the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Maybe it's because I'd read before that on his Exeter expeditions

he'd been attending Bible classes - in the evangelical Christian vein -

with an Ian C. Cook - husband of Court Artist and Sky employee Elizabeth Cook.


My thoughts only.

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Bampots on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 7:10 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-455145/Madeleine-suspect-Oddball-Algarve.html

Bit missing from your link Rosa. Great find tho, Robert really is "Luz" royalty with a long pedigree,car salesman or not.

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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Heisenburg on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 9:42 am

Was Mitchell on board by then?
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Freedom on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 9:49 am

From LinkedIn. Possibly he was a part-timer before September?

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Kate and Gerry McCann
September 2007 – Present (8 years 6 months)
Appointed as full-time official spokesman for the McCann family following the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine from Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007. Daily liaison with, and frequent on-air contributions to, international, UK national and regional media.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Heisenburg on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 10:17 am

Just wondered,although I don't think the Mail was one of the papers that settled out of court with Murat were they?
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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 10:21 am

From the mail link.

But police will need a much stronger case if they are to avoid ridicule and disaster, and, crucially, failure.



Seems as if some one wanted to rubbish the PJ even at this early date.
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Freedom on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 10:23 am

Heisenburg wrote:Just wondered,although I don't think the Mail was one of the papers that settled out of court with Murat were they?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/17/medialaw.pressandpublishing
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Re: The strange case of Robert Murat

Post  Heisenburg on Sun 14 Feb 2016, 10:25 am

Freedom wrote:
Heisenburg wrote:Just wondered,although I don't think the Mail was one of the papers that settled out of court with Murat were they?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/17/medialaw.pressandpublishing

Seems as if they did,who ever gave them the story sold a good pup.
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