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Post  PMR on Sun 17 Jul 2016, 11:53 pm

Given how Posters behaviour tended to change later on in the evening,I suspect the taking in of alcoholic substances maybe a factor
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Re:Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories.

Post  costello on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 12:06 am

PMR wrote:Given how Posters behaviour tended to change later on in the evening,I suspect the taking in of alcoholic substances maybe a factor

That did cross my mind too PMR.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 10:06 am

Was it something I said.....

Very odd behaviour and clearly this Ian Huntley stuff has hit a bit of a raw nerve.

Strange to say the least to spit your dummy out when some think Huntley is absolute scum.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 10:19 am

Bit of a mystery. Poster didn't usually get fired up by people disagreeing with her. It can be frustrating when people don't see what you think you see but that could be the case with lots of subjects. The Huntley discussion certainly pushed buttons.
I hope she comes back after a break. Sometimes it just gets to us all.

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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 10:32 am

He (?) hasn't deleted his account (yet anyway) so he may be back.

The flouncing off - have had enough of this etc - is very reminiscent of an earlier member both here and on CMoMM whom I now think was a McCann supporter. Well, someone has to be!

I know that Poster is not alone in believing that Ian Huntley is innocent but it is an extreme minority belief for me and I did wonder if his going on and on about it was to try and label McCann doubters as loopy conspiracy theorists too.
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Post  Andrew on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 12:18 pm

He is a she as she has said before.

She obviously feels very passionate about the whole 'Huntley is innocent affair' which is fair enough if that's your belief.

Just a shame she had to react in the way she did.

Maybe some time-out is needed to cool down then come back and discuss it in a more constructive and rational way.
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Re:Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories.

Post  costello on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 1:02 pm

I thought 'poster' was a she too Andrew.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 1:06 pm

costello wrote:
Andrew wrote:He is a she as she has said before.

She obviously feels very passionate about the whole 'Huntley is innocent affair' which is fair enough if that's your belief.

Just a shame she had to react in the way she did.

Maybe some time-out is needed to cool down then come back and discuss it in a more constructive and rational way.

I thought 'poster' was a she too Andrew.

I'm almost positive she is female. Was JRob over the way.

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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 2:54 pm

Yes poster has openly said she was Jrob over the road. And she said she was female over there a long time ago.

So unless she's had a sex change, then she is most definitely female.

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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 2:58 pm

If that's correct about being female, then she isn't the same person that I'm thinking of who behaved in a similar way.

Who knows though who's behind the screen - it was a bit before my time but there was a supposedly retired male high court judge who was actually a middle-aged woman!
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  poster on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 5:26 pm

Andrew wrote:Yes poster has openly said she was Jrob over the road. And she said she was female over there a long time ago.

So unless she's had a sex change, then she is most definitely female.

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Haven't had a sex change as far as I am aware!

Sometimes I just get very frustrated with cases where I think the case against a person looks unsound.

The McCann case infuriates me because they are so obviously being deceptive, imo, yet you have the top police officer in the UK who apparently has an IQ that is lower than the average Sun reader, the majority of whom, if we are to believe the comments sections on McCann stories, think the McCanns are guilty - even if only of neglect.

I just don't think the case against Ian Huntley bears any scrutiny at all. Or that of Maxine Carr.

I think they were patsies and there is a huge pile of worms under this case.

There have been dozens and dozens of wrongful convictions. It's nothing new. The possibility of a wrongful conviction was one of the most persuasive arguments over the abolition of the death penalty, imo.

Just because you might think someone was wrongfully convicted, it doesn't mean there is necessarily a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just a bodge-up. Sometimes (Lee Harvey Oswold?) there is a conspiracy involved.

So apologies if I occasionally 'go off on one'. In general I try not to but a glass or so of vino can certainly tip the balance especially if you feel passionate about something.

I am most certainly not a pro-shrill although I think there were some over the way who thought I might be but I could never understand why. While I have occasionally had an outburst or two online I have been pretty mild-mannered compared to some others - especially over the way when the attacks were positively vicious.

And no, I have no connection whatsoever with any of these cases. I am purely an impartial observer who should probably have been a criminal lawyer as I do find myself fascinated with the minutiae of some of these cases.

ETA: I use the word impartial because I originally believed the McCanns and actually felt sorry for them as what they appeared to  be doing with their checking system wasn't that different to the MW 'listening' system as carried out by nannies. I even originally stood up for them on sites like mumsnet.

In the Huntley case I too believed what I had read in the press. It was only after spending a long time looking at the McCann case that I started wondering whether there was more to the Soham case than met the eye. That spooky photograph of - allegedly - Madeleine McCann
wearing a football shirt in a manner very reminiscent of the 'last photo' of the Soham girls also got me wondering.

Why did TM make that photo public? It looked very different to either the poster girl or the alleged 'last photo' and furthermore it wasn't a 'last photo' of Madeleine, whereas in the Soham case it was so it made complete sense to release it as it could help find the girls quickly. TM must have realized that football shirt photo would trigger memories of the Soham girls. So why be so insensitive? When the photo wouldn't help find her? There is something behind that photo and the timing of its release, imo.

ETA: It is in the public domain that the parents of the Soham girls eventually pleaded with the media to stop using the photo as it triggered such painful memories for them. TM with all their media links would I feel sure have been aware of this yet that still go ahead and publish that photo which is bound to trigger comparisons with the Soham case. Why would they want to do that? The two cases are not comparable at all, imo.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Mon 18 Jul 2016, 6:18 pm

Those of us who occasionally over-imbibe of the juice of the grape - or other alcoholic beverage - would do well to vow to keep off it before posting anything on a forum!

I think that we will have to agree to differ over the Soham girls case.

Let's move on and concentrate on the topics on which we do agree.
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Post  Freedom on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 12:02 pm

One for those of us with long memories - to match our ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
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Post  Mimi on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 1:34 pm

Freedom wrote:One for those of us with long memories - to match our ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

I remember that. I doubt whether Ted Kennedy`s intentions were honourable when he took the wrong turning towards the creek, but who knows. Also who knows what was going through Mary Jo`s mind when she accepted a lift from him. She was supposedly engaged to someone else at the time and a `good girl`.

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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 2:10 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209313/Ted-Kennedy-The-Senator-Sleaze-drunk-sexual-bully--left-young-woman-die.html
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Post  Freedom on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 4:12 pm

This happened on the Friday before the Apollo 11 moon landing. Ted probably hoped that his escapade would go unnoticed with all the excitement about that but the story grew arms and legs and never went away.

I am inclined to believe the theory that he was not in the car when it went off the bridge and did not know about the accident until the following morning.

It sounds a bit familiar doesn't it - in trying to cover up something rather embarrassing but not illegal, he made the situation many times worse by coming up with a ridiculous story that he had heroically tried to rescue MJK but had not succeeded.

There was a reference to the incident in a CSI episode which may have gone above most viewers' heads. Referring to an obviously staged crime scene Gil Grissom said that it was "as phoney as a Chappaquiddick neck brace".

Ted took to wearing one for a day or two in the hope of convincing us that he had been in an accident.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317515/posts
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 7:06 pm

Freedom wrote:This happened on the Friday before the Apollo 11 moon landing. Ted probably hoped that his escapade would go unnoticed with all the excitement about that but the story grew arms and legs and never went away.

I am inclined to believe the theory that he was not in the car when it went off the bridge and did not know about the accident until the following morning.

It sounds a bit familiar doesn't it - in trying to cover up something rather embarrassing but not illegal, he made the situation many times worse by coming up with a ridiculous story that he had heroically tried to rescue MJK but had not succeeded.

There was a reference to the incident in a CSI episode which may have gone above most viewers' heads. Referring to an obviously staged crime scene Gil Grissom said that it was "as phoney as a Chappaquiddick neck brace".

Ted took to wearing one for a day or two in the hope of convincing us that he had been in an accident.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317515/posts


..... Really?

To me that's the most least likely scenario.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 10:38 pm

I find that more believable than that he was somehow able to get out of a submerged car - is it not a physical impossibility to open a door due to the water pressure? It's also unlikely that, with his size and longstanding back problem, he could have escaped through a window.

It's hard for me to believe that even someone as self-absorbed as EK thinking about his political career would not have called at one of the houses in the area to seek help. I think that there was also a fire station along the way.

I think that it is likely that he got out of the car when spotted by the deputy sheriff as he did not want to be questioned, leaving MJK to drive on alone.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 8:04 am

https://www.crikey.com.au/2009/08/27/teddy-kennedy-and-chappaquiddick-the-true-story/

These lot certainly believe in your theory as well, Freedom.

Still think there's a lot more to it than that very 'simple' explanation.

But perhaps that's just the 'conspiracy cogs' turning in my head Very Happy
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 9:51 am

Describing MJK as a "19-year-old virgin" doesn't endear me to this blogger - she was almost 29 and the rest is mind your own business!

I don't suppose we'll ever know the truth now but to me it does seem possible that, by lying about a fairly trivial event and making up a ridiculous story afterwards, EK brought about his own downfall.

It's interesting that the media soon turned on EK, pointing out the ridiculousness of his story. The Kennedys had always been treated almost like royalty, with gushing stories of how wonderful, brave etc they were. It was only a year after Robert Kennedy was murdered, an event which gained the family even more sympathy and respect.

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Post  Guinea Pig on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 12:17 pm

My mother told me that she had a bit of a crush on him (!) and at first believed every word, even his cringe-worthy TV appearance to explain what happened, but she did realise fairly soon afterwards that he was lying.

This clip has that broadcast on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M92JkUlzVM
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Sat 23 Jul 2016, 10:37 am

He certainly looks like he's telling porkies in that vid.

He had his wicked way. She was going to expose it. Threatened blackmail. He bumped her off.

The Kennedys have got 'form' for that.

My very simple take on it.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Freedom on Sat 23 Jul 2016, 10:45 am

Who else have they bumped off? Let's exclude Marilyn Monroe please!

If everyone who had affairs with any of the Kennedys was bumped off, there would be an enormous shortage of people in the world.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Sat 23 Jul 2016, 11:00 am

I believe there was a Kennedy hand in the death of M.Monroe.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories

Post  Andrew on Sun 24 Jul 2016, 9:27 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3704890/Are-Theresa-Angela-Merkel-ILLUMINATI-Conspiracy-theorists-convinced-leaders-secretive-sect-similar-hand-gestures.html
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