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Post  bluebell on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:15 pm

candyfloss wrote:I have read bluebell that the verdict and judgement will be in April sometime.  I have no idea why the long delay when it seems the Judge has already laid down what is proven and not?  scratch




Thank you candyfloss.    The law is very difficult to understand sometimes I find.    

From the reports from the judge today it would appear this is the end, here are her considered judgements ?

More nail-biting I think     Rolling Eyes


ETA - Next step is to expect appeals I suppose.

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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:18 pm

More items have now been added included are 1,2,3 and 4, at the end of the two pages.  They are not being translated in any order it would seem, I think the most important were probably done first.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24300.html

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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:46 pm

Martin back peddling lol...


Martin Brunt @skymartinbrunt 34 mins34 minutes ago
#Madeleine Believed judge ruled some McCann claims not proved, includes claim Port police stopped looking for Madeleine after book published

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Post  Châtelaine on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:02 pm

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Post  Dee Coy on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:39 pm

Dr Amaral ill again? Bad enough to prevent him from attending court?

Get well, Goncalo, I hope we can hear the trumpets tuning up!

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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:57 pm

Can I just say thanks to all the tweeters who bought us news today, and thank them for all their hard work and translations Where would we be without you, having to rely on Martin Brunt and co.!! So thank you so much cheers flower

Thanks also to any members here who posted on this thread to bring us latest news. flower

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Post  Châtelaine on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:57 pm

MCF had 3,000 hits on their public thread on today's court case!
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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:59 pm

Châtelaine wrote:MCF had 3,000 hits on their public thread on today's court case!

Excellent news, they did us proud today.

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Post  Châtelaine on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:01 pm

Yes, Candyfloss. We all agree [I think] that quality is preferred over quantity. But ... this was a real and genuine achievement Very Happy
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Post  Guest on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:07 pm

That's great! 

I expect Brunt is going to cherry-pick the ones that get the McCs most sympathy and forget about the rest.

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Post  Châtelaine on Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:21 pm

Tigger wrote:That's great! 

I expect Brunt is going to cherry-pick the ones that get the McCs most sympathy and forget about the rest.
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Post  Dee Coy on Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:11 pm

So, in an attempt at a very brief synopsis, all the issues related to the book allegedly damaging the search, police investigation and compromising the position and feelings of the McCanns are either 'unproven' or 'proven with a caveat' - the McCanns would have been experiencing such traumas anyway, due to the loss of their daughter.

The 'proven' claims seem to relate to those issues which were known facts anyway, such as how many books were sold and the money made.

In short, looking very good for Amaral and scarily bad for the McCanns?


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Post  Châtelaine on Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:20 pm

Yep. My glass is more than half full ...
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Post  Guest on Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:50 pm

Dee Coy wrote:So, in an attempt at a very brief synopsis, all the issues related to the book allegedly damaging the search, police investigation and compromising the position and feelings of the McCanns are either 'unproven' or 'proven with a caveat' - the McCanns would have been experiencing such traumas anyway, due to the loss of their daughter.

The 'proven' claims seem to relate to those issues which were known facts anyway, such as how many books were sold and the money made.

In short, looking very good for Amaral and scarily bad for the McCanns?


I think that sums it up pretty well! Here's hoping anyway.

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Post  Bampots on Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:26 pm

Some people agree with Brunts first tweet.....



ETA 2: On reflection, on what I've read of today's proceedings, this tweet by Martin Brunt does not look hugely unfair:

Martin Brunt @skymartinbrunt ·   
#Madeleine Lisbon judge rules ex-cop's book caused McCanns hurt and emotional distress. From private hearing ahead of libel judgement


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Post  Guest on Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:36 pm

But it wasn't a private hearing, and it isn't a libel trial. Crunt can't even get these basic facts right, and Bennett's agreeing with him! You couldn't make this stuff up.

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Post  Bampots on Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:47 pm

Indeed you could not make this stuff up.......considering TB believes the parents to be complicit in some manner with Madeleine's disappearance...surely they have created any emotional distress that they go through imo
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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:34 pm


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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 pm

With thanks to Anne Guedes and Pamalam.....



http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ReadingFacts_21_01_2015.htm

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Post  candyfloss on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:47 pm

Joana Morais @xklamation 2 mins2 minutes ago
Bravo, o @Publico corrigiu o spin da @Lusa_noticias Tribunal diz que não foi o livro de Gonçalo Amaral que “destruiu” pais de Maddie

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Bravo , the Publico corrected the spin of Lusa_noticias Court says it was not Gonçalo Amaral 's book that " destroyed " Maddie's parents

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Post  Guest on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:53 pm

update this evening from Portuguese press :



Court says it was not the book of Gonçalo Amaral that "destroyed" Maddie's parents


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21/01/2015 - 17:04

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McCanns filed a civil action against former inspector for defamation and damages caused by the publication of the book. Require compensation of EUR 1.2 million.

Maddie's parents came to be made ​​defendants in the investigation of the disappearance of the girl FRANCISCO LEONG / AFP
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The Civil Court of Lisbon held on Wednesday it was not the book of Gonçalo Amaral Maddie: The Truth of the Lie that "destroyed" the parents of the missing British girl to May 3, 2007, in the Algarve.

"It was proof that Kate and Gerry McCann are destroyed points of moral, social and ethical. The family point of view the evidence revealed a successful effort of cohesion and mutual support, "said the judge who stresses until" the sentimental / emotional point of view is not credible that the consequences of the facts of these proceedings will to the point of destruction or far beyond the pain caused by the disappearance of their daughter. "

The state "negative emotional" parent is "pre-existing to the book," reads the court order to which the PUBLIC had access and that indicates the answer to the questions, the facts found and not tested before sentencing, in civil proceedings of the couple against former PJ inspector. The couple requires compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation and damages caused by the publication of the book.

Judge gives as unproven damage social nature that the McCanns claim to have suffered also with the marketing and selling of a documentary on DVD and an interview of the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão. In the book, Amaral defends the alleged involvement of Kate and Gerry MCann in the disappearance and the child's corpse concealment.

"Against this order of the court which is not given as proven causal relationship between the book and alleged losses for the couple do not expect anything but the acquittal of Gonçalo Amaral," said the lawyer PUBLIC former inspector, Miguel Cruz Rodrigues. PUBLIC tried unsuccessfully to contact the couple's lawyer, Isabel Duarte. Gonçalo Amaral declined to comment.

The court did not leave, however, to establish that "as a result of Gonçalo Amaral defendant's statements in the book, the documentary and interview," Maddie's parents "felt anger, despair, anguish and concern, having suffered insomnia and lack appetite ". This at the same time it was given as evidence that the facts that the former inspector mentions in the book "are mostly taken place and documented" in the criminal investigation.

The court order also mentions the various witnesses interviewed by the court, some given by the parents of Maddie McCann and stress damage they believe the couple suffered. "A lot of people turned back to them" after the publication of the book, said Susan Hubbard Lorrain, married to an Anglican priest and friend of the McCanns. Also Alan Robert Pike, who provided services in the field of psychology to English couple, "said the publication of the book and the findings of the left distressed couple and one of the most devastating effects was, for them, believe that the book would influence public opinion, making people would stop looking for Madeleine. "

However, the court gives as not proven that because of the book, the interview and documentary PJ stopped collecting information and investigate the disappearance. The court also heard PJ inspectors. Ricardo Paiva, inspector who participated in the inquiry into the disappearance of British girl, stressed that "the child's death was a hypothesis in research." Also the director of the National Counter-Terrorism Unit, Luis Neves said that "the first time it was hypothesized death was by parents by suggesting the arrival of a South African expert equipped with a machine to search for buried bodies."

The court also states that for "most people" who read the book shaped thesis there is nothing to assign "responsibility" to McCann for the death of her daughter, "but before that they had" responsibilities for the concealment of his corpse. "

Maddie's parents came to be made defendants in the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl who was dismissed in 2008 for lack of evidence that there has been a crime. The investigation was reopened in October 2013 following a proposal from the PJ and face new evidentiary elements that justify further research.

Updated news to 22h08. Article replaced the Lusa Agency titled "Court gives as proven damage caused by Gonçalo Amaral Kate and Gerry mccan" by PUBLIC News

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Post  End on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:56 pm

I hope a twitter user can tweet this to Martin Brunt Very Happy
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Post  candyfloss on Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:03 am

End wrote:I hope a twitter user can tweet this to Martin Brunt Very Happy


I think many have, he is getting it in the neck on there.


Sonia tweeted this a while ago now.....






 Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton 5 hrs5 hours ago

Hark! Can you hear it? It's the sound of 'not proven' coming out of Lisbon. #mccann

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Post  End on Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:10 am

Ausgezeichnet! cheers
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