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Post  Dee Coy on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:12 pm

Lorraine wrote:Cannot access UK TV so can only go on what members are posting. Was this preplanned and were you viewers made aware of it, like last week? Or, has it been all of a sudden?

As far as I'm aware it was out of the blue, Lorraine. First I heard was candyfloss's warning post on the Twitter thread at 6 o'clock. It all is a bit tout de suite. Which once more begs the question 'Why?'. Has someone heard that something will break imminently which will shatter the dam? And this has pre-empted this 'not me, guv'nor' flurry tonight?

Could it be the book, astoundingly to be released on 9/11? The pedigree of the authors admittedly doesn't bode well for those interested in the TRUTH. Or something else? And who has leaked the info that appears to have had such a knee-trembling effect?

And has it all indeed happened in the last couple of days thereby prompting this sudden intriguing report?

Next few days will be interesting, I think..

After reading Andrew's post could it be the vibes coming from the libel trial?

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Post  Châtelaine on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:19 pm


I've been thinking that the next few days will be interesting for the past 7 years.
But, I'm still an optimist [with experience, of course] ...

But, yes, I think the upcoming damages [not libel] trial may play a role.
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Post  Guest on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:19 pm

Many books on Amazon have a look inside feature....However this one does not. Maybe there is some info in the book that is causing this damage limitation.

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Post  Guest on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:27 pm

ChillyHeat wrote:Many books on Amazon have a look inside feature....However this one does not. Maybe there is some info in the book that is causing this damage limitation.
It's widely known that the book claims the parents had nothing to do with the disappearance so I can't see what needs damage limitatio (certainly not just too many police organisations being involved)

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Post  bellisa on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:58 pm

Very interesting  

J Gamble saying "Relationships, loyalties change, and at some stage some person will come forward." This to me is not aimed at an abductor who has supposedly managed to hide a child away from the public for 7 years +

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Post  chilli on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:19 pm

Also very telling that he said that the parents should be the initial/main suspects -didn't see the report so not sure of his exact words. Has the wool been lifted from his eyes or was it never there in the first place.
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Post  bellisa on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:25 pm

Yes chilli such a strange thing to say for a man who the mcs have praised time and time again.

Perhaps the wool has been lifted although the timing of this secret report-which the home office has refused to publish but yet mr gamble has leaked information from is once again in the run up to the libel trial.
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Post  Dee Coy on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:26 pm

chilli wrote:Also very telling that he said that the parents should be the initial/main suspects -didn't see the report so not sure of his exact words. Has the wool been lifted from his eyes or was it never there in the first place.

For my money it was never there in the first place but something has happened (suddenly?) to make him start whistling the overture for a new operetta? But who's conducting?


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Post  chilli on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:44 pm

Being optimistic here - very dangerous I know. If he is covering his backside maybe something positive is going to happen and he's getting his excuse in early ... along the lines of 'well if we'd have been in control we'd have picked up the parents straight away'. Interesting times. I still find it hard to believe, no matter what peoples' personal opinions of him are, that given the position he held that alarm bells weren't deafening him.
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Post  Cristobell on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:46 pm

chilli wrote:Also very telling that he said that the parents should be the initial/main suspects -didn't see the report so not sure of his exact words. Has the wool been lifted from his eyes or was it never there in the first place.



I don't believe the wool was ever there Chilli. He has always known what he was doing.

Looking back, we can actually see that the British police agencies were at odds with each other. While Jim Gamble was using all the resources of CEOP to promote this as an abduction, other agencies*, notably Mark Harrison were sending in the sniffer dogs, searching for a body and treating the case as a staged abduction. What line were Leicester police following, what line the Met? Leicester Police resisted the McCanns request to hand over all the documentation on the grounds that there was no evidence to clear either of them. CEOP meanwhile were assisting in age progression pictures and liaising with the multi million dollar National Centre for Missing Exploited Children in the USA. It was JG's dream to run a similar centre in the UK.

The report is old news, it was prepared over 4 years ago when the McCanns were pretending to want a Review. It was never acted on. If there was anything significant in it, the police would be following those leads or recommendations now. Jim's promotion of the 'live' Madeleine and the age progression pictures does not fit in with excavating the ground in PDL. The Mark Harrison recommendations however, would fit in with what we are seeing.





*Does anyone know offhand which agency or police department sent MH out to PDL?



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Post  chilli on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:53 pm

It looks to me like he used the case to promote his own ambitions but now is trying to teflon his way out of it hence my very very slight optimism that that SY are heading in the right direction.
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Post  Cristobell on Mon 01 Sep 2014, 11:59 pm

chilli wrote:Being optimistic here - very dangerous I know. If he is covering his backside maybe something positive is going to happen and he's getting his excuse in early ... along the lines of 'well if we'd have been in control we'd have picked up the parents straight away'. Interesting times. I still find it hard to believe, no matter what peoples' personal opinions of him are, that given the position he held that alarm bells weren't deafening him.




I don't think there is any way Jim Gamble can say he didn't know, given his years in the police, special forces, etc, he would look absolutely ridiculous if he said he was taken in. Thousands if not millions of people worldwide could see the McCanns were lying through their teeth, yet an experienced police chief couldn't? In addition he assisted them in what were, basically, fund raising campaigns for the parents and the promotion of a missing child who wasn't in fact missing. Consular assistance was withdrawn by the end of June 2007 and it would appear the other police agencies stood back and left the investigation to the PJ. Interesting times ahead I think.


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Post  Mearns on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:02 am

Cristobell, NPIA sent Mark Harrison  according to this..http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html


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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:07 am

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chilli wrote:Also very telling that he said that the parents should be the initial/main suspects -didn't see the report so not sure of his exact words. Has the wool been lifted from his eyes or was it never there in the first place.



I don't believe the wool was ever there Chilli.  He has always known what he was doing.  

Looking back, we can actually see that the British police agencies were at odds with each other.  While Jim Gamble was using all the resources of CEOP to promote this as an abduction, other agencies*, notably Mark Harrison were sending in the sniffer dogs, searching for a body and treating the case as a staged abduction. What line were Leicester police following, what line the Met?  Leicester Police resisted the McCanns request to hand over all the documentation on the grounds that there was no evidence to clear either of them.  CEOP meanwhile were assisting in age progression pictures and liaising with the multi million dollar National Centre for Missing Exploited Children in the USA.  It was JG's dream to run a similar centre in the UK.  

The report is old news, it was prepared over 4 years ago when the McCanns were pretending to want a Review.  It was never acted on.  If there was anything significant in it, the police would be following those leads or recommendations now.  Jim's promotion of the 'live' Madeleine and the age progression pictures does not fit in with excavating the ground in PDL.  The Mark Harrison recommendations however, would fit in with what we are seeing.  





*Does anyone know offhand which agency or police department sent MH out to PDL?



Sense, as ever, Cristobell. So why now? Why leak the 4-year-old report now? And a seemingly cobbled-together Sky report at the 11th hour to give it a platform? Brunt looked vexed, to me.

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Post  Cristobell on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:12 am

Mearns wrote:Cristobell, NPIA sent Mark Harrison  according to this..http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html



Many thanks Mearns, hmmm, not something JG has ever publicised. Perhaps the NPIA were wondering why JG was pushing Madeleine as a live, findable child.
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Post  Meteor on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:29 am

Might it be that one of the Tapas Group has cracked quite recently and various interested parties are having to digest the info, adjust their position and prepare for the day the bombshell is dropped?

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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:42 am

Meteor wrote:Might it be that one of the Tapas Group has cracked quite recently and various interested parties are having to digest the info, adjust their position and prepare for the day the bombshell is dropped?


That thought had occurred, too, Meteor. Yes, indeedy.

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Post  Meteor on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:56 am

Dee Coy wrote:
Meteor wrote:Might it be that one of the Tapas Group has cracked quite recently and various interested parties are having to digest the info, adjust their position and prepare for the day the bombshell is dropped?


That thought had occurred, too, Meteor. Yes, indeedy.

It does have the appearance of something having shifted quite suddenly. Fingers crossed it's not another false dawn.
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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 1:04 am

Meteor wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
Meteor wrote:Might it be that one of the Tapas Group has cracked quite recently and various interested parties are having to digest the info, adjust their position and prepare for the day the bombshell is dropped?


That thought had occurred, too, Meteor. Yes, indeedy.

It does have the appearance of something having shifted quite suddenly. Fingers crossed it's not another false dawn.
Agree. It's the speed of this turn of events that's piqued me. Summat's shifted, or 'the players' are getting wind summat's about to shift. In my opinion, of course.

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Post  Guest on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 7:18 am

The book that's about to be published has the topic of how the various organisations ended up not actually helping but confusing the PJ (could have been a deliberate ploy) and this is just the build up to the release by gaining publicity. The book claims the parents were in no way involved so JG is just pointing out that they were looked at as is the correct procedure but were wrongly accused. All too coincidental with SY latest rumblings and the libel trial. All imo


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Post  Mimi on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 8:12 am

Martin Brunt says

"Jim Gamble told me this week that he has to be careful what he says in case someone throws their toys out of the pram ... "

Wonder who the `someone` is ?
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Post  Admin on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 9:25 am

Here is last nights report, from Sky news...


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Post  Mimi on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 10:11 am

Oh dear Martin - please get your facts right - Goncalo Amaral was NOT sacked.  How many times does this lie have to keep being corrected?

It`s plain as daylight that Summers and Swan have been fed info for their book from Jim Gamble.
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Post  Andrew on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 11:42 am

From the Guardian: I might be in the minority here but this seems to me like JG is pointing fingers everywhere and trying his hardest to exonerate himself. IMO he wants to try and cover his backside as just maybe, maybe the sh!t is about to hit the fan. (optimist as usual).

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was hampered because British police forces competed against one another, according to the author of a secret Home Office report.

Relations with Portuguese authorities were damaged as UK agencies clamoured to get involved in the high-profile case, leading to warnings that Britain should not act as a "colonial power".

Jim Gamble, the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) and the author of the report, also said the government had not learned from its mistakes, saying that it "does not understand the complexities of child abuse".

His unpublished report, which was commissioned by former home secretary Alan Johnson in 2009, also said the decision to put the McCanns' local force, Leicestershire constabulary, in charge of the operation was a mistake because it was ill-equipped to deal with such a wide-ranging investigation.

Although the report was never made public, it led to the reopening of the investigation in 2011 by the Metropolitan police, according to Sky News, which has been briefed on the contents of the document.

Gamble said that competition between police chiefs had a long-term negative effect on the McCann case.

He told the Guardian that agencies developed an "organisational arrogance" in the rush to help.

He said: "Each one thought that their agency would bring the best to bear on this. We were all guilty.

"Everyone came with best intentions," he told Sky News. "That created a sense of chaos and a sense of competition, people putting their hand up and wanting to help, and in many instances, in my opinion, wanting to be seen to help.

"If we look at it honestly, there were some in leadership roles who wanted to represent their organisation, to be seen to take a lead role and to be seen to provide critical input in this – and that made it difficult for a small, regional force like Leicestershire."

He went on: "I've no doubt relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were impacted by it and I think that had a long-term negative effect on the investigation.

"I think to this very day the Met investigation team that's engaged now are still having to manage and massage that relationship and perhaps, to be fair to the Portuguese, mend some fences that were trodden on in the early days."

Within weeks of Madeleine's disappearance in May 2007, Scotland Yard, the National Police Improvement Agency and CEOP had all given advice to Portuguese police.

The Crimestoppers charity published a separate appeal hotline and No 10, the Home Office and the Foreign Office were all demanding briefings from the various agencies.

Gamble explained that the Portuguese police's initial response to the case was chaotic and haphazard. He said this was "alien to the more structured police you would expect here in the UK. There was not a sense of order".

"In the first instance, the parents should be your number one suspects," he told Sky.

"In most cases, in the first few golden hours, as you collect evidence, you can then rule them in or out.

"And that was one of the huge flaws in this – people didn't focus on clearing the ground beneath their feet in those chaotic first few hours that led into the haphazard first few weeks.

"When I carried out the scoping review there was no evidence that some of the critical information and the analysis of which could have led to intelligence and to leads had been followed up."

However, Gamble said that lessons had not been learned from the McCann investigation because Theresa May had snubbed calls for a national resource to deal with child exploitation.

He told the Guardian: "CEOP was something that was created by the Labour government, so it was something that had to be changed by the coalition government. I think it was an act of political vandalism.

"The home secretary didn't understand what she was doing when I met with her. I asked her to explain her rationale for going against the lessons that had been learned.

"She couldn't give me a single answer. She couldn't utter a single word across the table to explain why she thought this was a good idea. But they pushed on anyway."

Following the spate of recent child abuse scandals, Gamble accused the government of failing to act sufficiently to tackle the issue.

He said: "In the face of Rotherham; in the face of over 500 coming forward over Savile; in the face of everything we know we don't know enough about, we need a credible overarching review. And the truth is, we haven't got it."

He has refused to release the full details of the report's findings, saying it was only ever intended to be an internal review.

The Home Office, which declined to release the report under Freedom of Information laws, declined to comment on the report, but said: "We remain committed to supporting the search for Madeleine McCann."

But Gamble believes that the McCann investigation will eventually be solved, despite the setbacks. "Someone knows," he said.

"I genuinely believe that we will find out what happened in my lifetime. Relationships, loyalties change, and at some stage some person will come forward."
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Post  Cristobell on Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:47 pm

Jim Gamble wanted a UK equivalent of Ernie Allen's National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, a charity that goes into the super league when it comes to funding.  

http://www.demos.org/blog/8/6/13/using-childrens-welfare-charity-turn-profit

Unfortunately so few children are abducted by strangers and the majority of kids that do go missing are surly, unattractive teenagers, an angelic toddler snatched from her bed, could be considered the answer to JG's prayers in his efforts to run his own government funded quango.  This was a child that made people put their hands in their pockets and vote for a government that would track down every vile pervert and paedophile on the net.

Paedophiles are the 21st century enemy of the state and when a beautiful, well cared for, middle class child is snatched from the safety of her bed, it brings home how close the danger is.  When Tony Blair wanted the public to support his war against Iraq, he sent army tanks into Heathrow.  It was all showmanship, the intention was to bring home the threat of terrorism to the masses.  

Imagine an organisation with the power to storm into your home, seize your computers and take your children into care because of suspicions about what you are viewing on the internet?  

The truth is 99.9% of the children being abused, are being abused in their own homes and by people who know them.  Those are the children who need protecting.  We don't need 2000 police officers watching pornography 24/7 to track down the paedos, those caught are caught by those closest to what is going on, the whistleblowers, vigilant friends and neighbours, not by a police officer watching shite online 500 miles away.  

This easy to read list of kidnappings gives a clear picture of the number of children 'abducted', a quick look at it shows how hysterical and disproportionate the figures put out by child protection and missing peoples' charities are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings


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