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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Andrew on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:21 pm

I used to do a lot of business with the Y.E.P/Johnston Press and can tell you now they are useless. And that's being kind.

So what was all that about on the news then earlier?
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Guest on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:28 pm

You can watch ITV News again on ITV+1 at 7.30.


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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Mo on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:31 pm

On the BBC news at 6pm the reporter said there would be more from OG on the 10pm news
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Andrew on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:33 pm

.... I can't as I'm out having a meal and on phone.

Just wanted a summary, but I'm sure I'll see something later on when back.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:43 pm

Mo wrote:On the BBC news at 6pm the reporter said there would be more from OG on the 10pm news

Interesting...OG leaving it late so as to avoid the rags printing spin/crap in tomorrows editions?
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  espeland on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:51 pm

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Mo wrote:On the BBC news at 6pm the reporter said there would be more from OG on the 10pm news

Interesting...OG leaving it late so as to avoid the rags printing spin/crap in tomorrows editions?


If it's on TV at 10pm, there'll be time to include it in the morning papers' later editions. And it would be stupid for any paper to print spin/crap on a SY statement - at least spin/crap such as they have been doing for years.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  TheTruthWillOut on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 7:57 pm

espeland wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Mo wrote:On the BBC news at 6pm the reporter said there would be more from OG on the 10pm news

Interesting...OG leaving it late so as to avoid the rags printing spin/crap in tomorrows editions?


If it's on TV at 10pm, there'll be time to include it in the morning papers' later editions. And it would be stupid for any paper to print spin/crap on a SY statement - at least spin/crap such as they have been doing for years.

Well from what I've read the last few days at least 95% of what has come from the papers/docs/commentators has been crap/spin. I would have thought if SY had anything of substance to say they would want it to go out at peak time i.e early evening news not late at night.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Mo on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 8:09 pm

The one thing that sticks in the back of my mind is when Ex DCI Redwood said that they had a better understanding of what was going on? I think KM said the same, OG have a better understanding of what was going on??  The thing is, what was going on? Is it a better understanding of their checks on the kids, PJ, another occurance I don't know.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Heisenburg on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 8:47 pm

Andrew wrote:
costello wrote:
Andrew wrote:... same person having a rant about the dogs on twitter as well. Because she only saw the 2:

N.M‏ @AdirenM  11m11 minutes ago
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NO, I saw only 2 dogs, if anyone is saying that there were 4, why should I care? There could have been 20. Fact it was OG worthless. #Mccann


2 other dogs working secretly out of the media spotlight doesn't equate to worthless for me.


Hi Andrew this is a follow up tweet from Adiren.

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Hiya. Yes, I've seen that (and others).

She didn't know there were 4 dogs in operation though as she only saw the 2.

The point being she has absolutely no idea what they were up to.
I still think it just as likely the dogs worked in shifts it was high summer after all.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  canada12 on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 8:58 pm

There must be a reason for a 10pm release of information - in the past newsworthy info was released so it could be carried by early evening newscasts and regular daily printed editions of the papers. Late night info release would make it into the morning editions and morning newscasts. But now we have the internet and 24 hour news, as well as 24 hour news channels, so deadlines have become somewhat meaningless.

Though if the information is important and it's released late like this, it might have the effect of causing certain people to have an extremely unsettled and sleepless night....
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Post  Heisenburg on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:03 pm

Sky news just reported that the met said the four arguidos have been ruled out.
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Post  froggy on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:06 pm

Were these the alleged burglars or someone else? I forget.

All this time and effort and apparently nothing to show for it.
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Post  Dee Coy on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:10 pm

Yeah, on Sky news Breaking banner at the bottom of the screen. Basically it looks like the interview with the police chief published earlier by the YEP. So they did break the embargo and that's why the story was pulled.

Not a massive bombshell - no wonder Sonia told us not to get excited. 

Question remains, though, what are these final critical lines of enquiry? Has the core of the onion been reached?

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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Heisenburg on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:13 pm

Dee Coy wrote:Yeah, on Sky news Breaking banner at the bottom of the screen. Basically it looks like the interview with the police chief published earlier by the YEP. So they did break the embargo and that's why the story was pulled.

Not a massive bombshell - no wonder Sonia told us not to get excited. 

Question remains, though, what are these final critical lines of enquiry? Has the core of the onion been reached?
Hogan How's told us there was one line of enquiry,who is economical with the truth here.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  candyfloss on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:14 pm

Locking this for now thread in Lates news otherwise we will be talking on different threads.

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Re: Operation Grange

Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 11:43 am

I will put this here rather than 10th Anniversary thread so it will remind us as we have nothing here re Colin Sutton's brave claim..



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Re: Operation Grange

Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 12:12 pm

In answer to PMR on the other thread, re the Op Grange Investigation and the article I just posted above.  The Op Grange 'remit' ceased after a year and became a full blown investigation reopened by the PJ as well.  I do not believe the remit covers the newly reopened investigation, imo...  Someone has helpfully posted the remit up on twitter..



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Re: Operation Grange

Post  dogs don't lie on Thu 04 May 2017, 12:51 pm

That's pretty shocking from CS Neutral I wonder when he was told this? Haven't had the time to keep up with all this news due to new job but I'm doing my best, there's just so much!

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:00 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:That's pretty shocking from CS Neutral  I wonder when he was told this? Haven't had the time to keep up with all this news due to new job but I'm doing my best, there's just so much!

He was allegedly told this back in 2010 when Op Grange started I believe, long time ago.  I think things have changed and the remit was concluded and a full investigation ordered, so the remit statement would be imo defunct.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:02 pm

candyfloss wrote:
dogs don't lie wrote:That's pretty shocking from CS Neutral  I wonder when he was told this? Haven't had the time to keep up with all this news due to new job but I'm doing my best, there's just so much!

He was allegedly told this back in 2010 when Op Grange started I believe, long time ago.  I think things have changed and the remit was concluded and a full investigation ordered, so the remit statement would be imo defunct.

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:06 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:
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dogs don't lie wrote:That's pretty shocking from CS Neutral  I wonder when he was told this? Haven't had the time to keep up with all this news due to new job but I'm doing my best, there's just so much!

He was allegedly told this back in 2010 when Op Grange started I believe, long time ago.  I think things have changed and the remit was concluded and a full investigation ordered, so the remit statement would be imo defunct.

Excellent candyfloss, that's what I was hoping for Very Happy
What is puzzling is why all this now?  CS has obviously know this for years, why now, and what has changed to make him say this.  Something is off with this somewhere, Pat Brown finds it odd too.

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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Andrew on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:22 pm

It would be good if Colin Sutton popped back on CMoMM to explain a bit more but the way he was treated on there then there's a cat in hells chance of that happening now.

Similar to the other ex-copper, PeterMac, who won't touch that place with a barge-pole anymore.

Sad really.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post  Andrew on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:32 pm

Colin Sutton‏ @colinsutton 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @spudgun01 @walkercan1000 @TheGavofWar
Nobody ordered me to find McCanns innocent as Mail put it.I was advised I wouldn't have freedom to investigate everybody & every possibility
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Post  candyfloss on Thu 04 May 2017, 1:35 pm

Andrew wrote:Colin Sutton‏ @colinsutton  2h2 hours ago
Replying to @spudgun01 @walkercan1000 @TheGavofWar
Nobody ordered me to find McCanns innocent as Mail put it.I was advised I wouldn't have freedom to investigate everybody & every possibility

Yes, that is more likely, however why is he telling us all this now, he retired at the time so he was free to speak then, why nearly  6 years on.  Perhaps someone can ask him if they are on twitter.

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Post  Helenmeg on Thu 04 May 2017, 5:55 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:That's pretty shocking from CS Neutral  I wonder when he was told this? Haven't had the time to keep up with all this news due to new job but I'm doing my best, there's just so much!
It is shocking and explains a lot.The case is most definitely political - to not give a police force freedom to investigate properly is outrageous, to say the least. Mind you, any self respecting police officer or detective should, IMO,
refuse to touch such a case - good for him
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