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Post  Freedom Mon 26 Mar 2018, 10:33 pm

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Post  Satsuma Thu 05 Apr 2018, 8:14 am

Here are the main points again:
OG is still going, in conjunction with the PJ, because between them they either don't know what happened, or don't have enough evidence to hand to the prosecutors
Don't believe everything you read on other forums (like the one that keeps saying it wasn't sunny on 3 May 2007 - there was 50 per cent sun in PDL at lunchtime that day). If they can get that wrong, what hope for their other conclusions?
Eddie would alert to blood as well as cadaver. Therein lies much of the confusion about the dogs
There was political interference because of the desire to "virtue-signal". That is not the same as a conspiracy
This is a long-running case of an apparent crime that is, one would hope, gradually being solved by the police. Mistakes were made in the first 48 hours, but for which things might have been wrapped up more swiftly
Treat internet speculation with caution - some of it is complete rubbish. Often well-meaning rubbish, sometimes mischievous rubbish, but rubbish nonetheless. However, there is some good stuff as well, and many of you have contributed to that pool of observation
The discovery of a body (or traces of it) would solve everything
I suspect they will crack it eventually
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Post  Guest Thu 05 Apr 2018, 11:02 am

Satsuma wrote:Here are the main points again:
OG is still going, in conjunction with the PJ, because between them they either don't know what happened, or don't have enough evidence to hand to the prosecutors
Don't believe everything you read on other forums (like the one that keeps saying it wasn't sunny on 3 May 2007 - there was 50 per cent sun in PDL at lunchtime that day). If they can get that wrong, what hope for their other conclusions?
Eddie would alert to blood as well as cadaver. Therein lies much of the confusion about the dogs
There was political interference because of the desire to "virtue-signal". That is not the same as a conspiracy
This is a long-running case of an apparent crime that is, one would hope, gradually being solved by the police. Mistakes were made in the first 48 hours, but for which things might have been wrapped up more swiftly
Treat internet speculation with caution - some of it is complete rubbish. Often well-meaning rubbish, sometimes mischievous rubbish, but rubbish nonetheless. However, there is some good stuff as well, and many of you have contributed to that pool of observation
The discovery of a body (or traces of it) would solve everything
I suspect they will crack it eventually

Isn't this speculating too? We don't know the reason why was there was political interference, we can guess.

if Goncalo Amaral's reports are true, UK security services were involved with the case from early on. Why would they be there unless it was something to do with national security? I think speculating is ok if you have something to base it on.


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Post  Satsuma Thu 05 Apr 2018, 1:15 pm

I am basing it on the likelihood that it is a load of old codswallop, which is good enough for me
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Post  Guest Thu 05 Apr 2018, 3:02 pm

Satsuma wrote:I am basing it on the likelihood that it is a load of old codswallop, which is good enough for me

Codswallop? as in reasoning a 'conspiracy' can't be true because it sounds far fetched? I still think that's speculating. We do have evidence Secret services were involved and there was unprecedented government interference. The word conspiracy doesn't always equate to fantasy, criminals conspire to keep things hidden and sometimes governments do too.

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Post  Heisenburg Fri 13 Apr 2018, 10:46 am

Stephen Lawrence time line.

April 22, 1993: Stephen is stabbed to death in an unprovoked racist attack in Eltham, South-East London. Within days Neil and Jamie Acourt, Gary Dobson, Luke Knight and David Norris are identified as prime suspects.
July 1993: Prosecutors drop a case against Neil Acourt and Luke Knight. Months later an inquest is halted amid claims of 'dramatic' new evidence.
April 1996: An Old Bailey private prosecution brought by the Lawrence family against Neil Acourt, Knight and Dobson collapses.
February 1997: An inquest jury finds Stephen was 'unlawfully killed by five white youths'. The next day this newspaper accuses all five men under the front page headline 'Murderers'.
February 1999: The Macpherson report finds police guilty of an appalling catalogue of mistakes and 'institutional racism'.
April 2005: The double jeopardy principle, preventing suspects being tried twice for the same crime, is scrapped for certain offences when there is compelling new evidence.
November 2007: Scotland Yard confirms it is investigating new forensic evidence.
May 2011: The Court of Appeal agrees Dobson's 1996 acquittal for the murder can be quashed and he can be put on trial again.
January 2012: Dobson and Norris are found guilty of Stephen's murder.
September 2016: Police announce they have received 'significant information' after a fresh appeal to identify a woman whose DNA was found on a bag strap left at the murder scene.
April 2018: Scotland Yard admits it has no new lines of inquiry in the investigation into Stephen's murder and is preparing to shelve it.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-5608983/A-timeline-Stephen-Lawrence-murder-case.html#ixzz5CXm4ieTi

What as this to do with OG I hear you ask,this crime happened on the streets of London the suspects are well known,but importantly there is not enough evidence to carry on,do some really believe that an alleged crime committed in Portugal can be successfully investigated starting 4 yrs after the alleged event with even less evidence?
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Post  espeland Thu 26 Apr 2018, 1:10 pm



What's this all about, on #mccann?:


Portuguese police reopen McCann case
Portuguese police reopen their inquiry into the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann, saying there are "new lines of inquiry".
Profile image of authorBBC News (UK)
Apr 25, 2018


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Post  candyfloss Thu 26 Apr 2018, 1:36 pm

It's an old story I think, they do that a lot on twitter very often....... put an old story up with today's date.

Here is the original I think.

24th October 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-24657773/madeleine-mccann-case-portuguese-police-reopen-inquiry

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Post  espeland Thu 26 Apr 2018, 1:44 pm

Ah OK, thanks. I was about to add that it doesn't appear in #BBC News (UK). I rarely spend more than a few minutes here per day, but am all ears today re Sonia's video - roll on 9pm!
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Post  candyfloss Tue 02 Oct 2018, 3:04 pm

Quite a number of people are commenting that Operation Grange has been removed from the Met Police website....


JillyCL  ☮️‏ @JillyCL · 11m11 minutes ago  

 


Very interesting that the Operation Grange page has been removed from the Met Police website.  #McCann




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So what do we read into that? Question

Any thoughts anyone?

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Post  unreorganised Tue 02 Oct 2018, 4:28 pm

candyfloss wrote:
So what do we read into that? Question

Any thoughts anyone?

It was all a dream?
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Post  Heisenburg Tue 02 Oct 2018, 5:48 pm

candyfloss wrote:Quite a number of people are commenting that Operation Grange has been removed from the Met Police website....


JillyCL  ☮️‏ @JillyCL · 11m11 minutes ago  

 


Very interesting that the Operation Grange page has been removed from the Met Police website.  #McCann




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So what do we read into that? Question

Any thoughts anyone?

Why keep a reference to something that no longer exists?
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Post  Freedom Tue 02 Oct 2018, 6:24 pm

Most things aren't deleted immediately though, are they? They remain for some time for information.
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Post  Guest Tue 02 Oct 2018, 6:30 pm

Perhaps it's been replaced by a different investigation, the details of which are confidential.
That would make some people quite anxious, I imagine.

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Post  candyfloss Tue 02 Oct 2018, 9:36 pm

Is it that easy to chat with Op Grange detectives?



Madeleine CaseTweets @McCannCaseTweet ·



I've been like this since I was a kid.
Go to the source!!
People were saying Operation Grange is closing, so I went to the source.

The answer is NO!! Operation Grange continues.

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Post  Mimi Thu 15 Nov 2018, 2:16 pm

I'm bringing Nick Ferrari's query over to this thread as it's appropriate for here.
"What are Operation Grange doing all day?"
Anyone with experience in policing or detective work got any ideas?????
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Post  unreorganised Thu 15 Nov 2018, 5:53 pm

Mimi wrote:I'm bringing Nick Ferrari's query over to this thread as it's appropriate for here.
"What are Operation Grange doing all day?"

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Post  niklasericson Thu 15 Nov 2018, 7:11 pm

Mimi wrote:I'm bringing Nick Ferrari's query over to this thread as it's appropriate for here.
"What are Operation Grange doing all day?"
Anyone with experience in policing or detective work got any ideas?????
I don't know what they are doing  but take a look at all the murder cases Nicola Wall has investigsted during the years she has been leading O.G, I wonder how much time she really spend on O.G?
This had been a cold case in Sweden and it's working 4 detectives in the Stockholm region and there's 193 unsolved cold case murder in Stockholm...4 Detectives.
There's one cold case today who has it's own investigation and it's the murder of Primeminister Olof Palme and there's 5 Detectives who are working on that case and there's 4 Detectives in O.G.
If we put this into a perspective we can say that the Madeleine McCann investigation is compareble to the Olof Palme investigation.

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Post  Heisenburg Fri 16 Nov 2018, 8:10 am

Mimi wrote:I'm bringing Nick Ferrari's query over to this thread as it's appropriate for here.
"What are Operation Grange doing all day?"
Anyone with experience in policing or detective work got any ideas?????

He asked almost of the same to Hogan Howe,that was about what do 30 officers do all day,Howes reply then was about all the files needed translating and coordinating.
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Post  PMR Fri 16 Nov 2018, 8:23 am

There's only 4 OG officers now isn't there bear in mind holidays sickness etc probably only 3 at a time working .I would imagine these are pretty specialist i.e. Financial, language etc. I have said for a while now I think OG has gone beyond MBM disappearance and is looking at the fund etc
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Post  Heisenburg Fri 16 Nov 2018, 9:25 am

PMR wrote:There's only 4 OG officers now isn't there  bear in mind holidays sickness etc probably only 3 at a time working .I would imagine these are pretty specialist i.e. Financial, language etc. I have said for a while now I think OG has gone beyond MBM disappearance and is looking at the fund etc


That would be the fraud squad surely?
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Post  PMR Fri 16 Nov 2018, 9:42 am

Secondment , rather than spreading the investigation over several departments and thus have things missed have one team with specialists from different areas
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Post  Heisenburg Fri 16 Nov 2018, 10:18 am

Just an aside to those who think grange is a farce,yesterday or today with the Brexit rubbish and a possible vote of no confidence in May would be an ideal time to bury any news about its closure,it ain't happening.
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Post  Heisenburg Fri 16 Nov 2018, 10:19 am

PMR wrote:Secondment , rather than spreading the investigation over several departments and thus have things missed have one team with specialists from different areas


Multi tasking in two different areas,does it work?
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Post  PMR Fri 16 Nov 2018, 12:42 pm

They wouldn't be multitasking in two areas. They would be doing the job they are trained for ,in one area Operation Grange
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