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Post  Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 8:26 am

Thanks Andrew, for those that don't like links.

For the first time, Gonçalo Amaral speaks about the case that destroyed his career, his family and his health...

“My life is gone, I’m only alive due to my heart”


Condemned to pay 500 thousand euro to the parents of Maddie, the little English three-year-old girl that disappeared in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, on the 3rd of May of 2007, the former inspector will fight until the last legal instance, because he is “a free man and citizen” with “the right to express opinions”.

What was your reaction when you found out that the verdict from the court was unfavourable to you in the defamation suit that the McCanns filed against you?

I found out about the verdict through a friend who called me telling me about the news on the radio. I immediately called my lawyer, but he hadn’t been notified and the verdict was not in the process. It’s sad, but my lawyer could only access the sentence, that afternoon, because a British journalist sent it to him by e-mail. There is no doubt that the couple’s lawyer has good connections at the court. My reaction was one of calm and a wish to read the full contents of the verdict as soon as it was available on the Citius website, which only happened the next day, but with the date of the previous day. Mysteries which the webs of justice weave.

Were you surprised?

I wasn’t surprised, it was one of the open possibilities, but after the decision about the matter of fact, which was favourable to me, I trusted that the verdict would come in the same direction.

Do you think there are errors in the process? Do you feel wronged?

Those are not mistakes, but value judgements and understandings that are contrary to mine and to that of many other jurists. As for feeling wronged… What do you think? I can only ask if those who, for more than five nights, left their three children, aged three and two, to their own devices in a house within an unknown space, subjecting them to a thousand dangers, while they were partying with friends – not to mention the amounts of alcohol that was ingested on those occasions -, still has the right to be compensated. They practiced a crime of exposing and abandoning defenceless children and they weren’t even accused of that fact. Looking at our criminal legislation, at the English child protection legislation and at cases that recently happened with British subjects in the Algarve, after drunken nights, all that I can say is that the McCann couple is primarily responsible for their daughter’s disappearance. She only disappeared because they neglected her guard and, as parents, they were obliged to it. It is a fact that they lost their daughter, but that doesn’t give them the right to sue anyone or to be compensated. They can’t escape their guilt, which is enough to rob them of their sleep, to provoke a lack of appetite and even rage, but against themselves and not against someone who only wrote down what happened during the first five months of the investigation, according to what is in the case files. If compensation takes place, all that I can do is warn you: be careful, there’s people who may turn this into a new business!

Don’t you feel revolted by this verdict?

I don’t feel revolt, but I do not conform to it, I still trust our country’s justice system, for which I have worked for over 25 years, and I still am a free citizen with all my rights. On the other hand, even the question that Maddie’s siblings, then aged two, may someday read my book and become traumatized doesn’t concern me. Those two children were also abandoned for over five nights in a row and surely they will understand that what is written there is the result of a criminal investigation.

There is a question that those two children will certainly ask when they grow up but that question will be directed at the parents: why were they abandoned, left to their own devices? Those children are free to think and to conclude that whatever happened to their daughter could have happened to one of them. The parents can only fear that their two children who did not disappear on that tragic night revolt against them.

The court says that you caused Maddie’s parents and siblings moral damages…

In my understanding, there are no damages that, objectively and factually, may have resulted from my writing. Which is to say, there is no causal nexus between the book or the documentary and any damages. On the other hand, what is spoken about, like the feelings of rage, it can hardly be considered a damage.

The couple demanded one million two hundred thousand euro. The court has sentenced you to pay 500 thousand euro – including interest since 2010 – over damages that were caused by the publication of the book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira. Aren’t both the request and the damages awarded by the court exaggerated?

There is no defamation crime, I haven’t been tried over any crime, if at all I am being tried over an offence of opinion, something unthinkable 40 years after the revolution of April of 1974, which ended the [fascist] Estado Novo, censorship and all the means that oppressed Portuguese citizens from thinking, speaking and writing freely. On the other hand, what is in the book is in the process, those are not lies, that can be verified by comparing the case files with the book and this court has not put that truth at stake. Nonetheless, a compensation of that amount only clarifies that the McCann couple is worth more than any Portuguese citizen, dead or alive, and that they are above any god or divinity, which, according to politicians, Portuguese intellectuals and others from the so-called democratic world can be criticized, ridiculed and satirized. Look at the discussions about the terrorist attacks against French newspaper Charlie Hebdo… With my book I did not defame, nor did I have the intention to defame anyone, but merely to report what happened during the first five months of the investigation, thus replying to the attacks against my good name and my professional dignity. There is no, no can there be any, reserve duty that superimposes our right to react and to defend ourselves from defamation and injustice, putting the truth back when our fundamental rights are violated, even when the authors of such attacks are subjects of a powerful country, to which Portugal has always bowed, with a short interregnum when the Portuguese Republic was founded, largely a result of the English ultimatum.

Apart from the payment, the court decreed the prohibition of the sale of new editions of the book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira. Nevertheless, the Appellate Court had decided to annul this prohibition back in 2010…

This court has not undone what had been decided by Lisbon’s Appellate Court within the injunction that was filed by the complainants. It should be clarified that the only decision that has, so far, become effective is that of Lisbon’s Appellate Court. That is the only one that is in force, the rest is still subject to appeal and it will take a few years to come into force, while I hope that our superior courts will see this differently from the lower court. This is just the judicial system working, therefore we need to remain calm.

In a more practical manner, I can say that the claimants, the McCanns, haven’t won anything yet, they only lost, namely with the decision from Lisbon’s Appellate Court, which is very clear in stating that the rights that have been violated were mine, that I, within the exercise of freedom of speech, could write the book and practiced no illicit action.

With this prohibition, are you forbidden from emitting an opinion about the case or about the McCann couple?

I am a free man, and like any other citizen in this country, I have the right to express my opinions. I was a Criminal Investigation coordinator, a policeman, and there is no reserve duty, a functional or merely instrumental thing, from the exercise of a profession, that superimposes a fundamental right and freedom of expression. To state that the duty of reserve limits freedom of expression for life, or even during the exercise of the profession of policeman, is to elevate that duty, which is merely administrative, above freedom of expression and fundamental rights, consecrated in the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and on the European Convention of Human Rights.

When you wrote the book, did it ever occur to you that you could be committing an offence?

I wrote the book because I, those who worked with me and the institution of the Judiciary Police were being put at stake. My good name and professional honour were severely attacked. In a first phase, I started by writing to the Judiciary Police’s national director, asking him to allow me to defend myself publicly or to come out to defend us, and I obtained no reply. Today, after all these years, I know that Dr. Alípio Ribeiro never received my letter, which was simply set aside by someone hierarchically below him.

Faced with the inertia and the silence from the institution that I belonged to, which, in my opinion, had the duty and the obligation to come out and defend the men and women who, with their work and great sacrifice, tried to protect it by performing an investigation at the level of any minimally developed country, I decided to ask for my retirement, and to report the criminal investigation that had been carried out and the conclusions that were reached up to the moment that I coordinated said investigation. At that time we already knew that the case was going to be shelved and the investigation abruptly ended. Everything was being prepared in that sense with the agreement, at least tacit, from the parents of the missing child, with the case files being delivered to journalists by the Public Ministry, which in itself question the duty of reserve to which, according to some experts, the policemen were subject to.

The book was a way to reply to the humiliation and the offences that I have been targeted with. Deep down, that was it: they say we are incompetent, they say we are a third world police force, drunkards, fat, lazy, etc., etc., and the Judiciary Police does not set out to defend us. Therefore I turned to writing, reporting the investigation that had been carried out, so people could draw their own conclusions. What happened next is known.

Do you feel abandoned by the intellectuals and the writers of this country?

Since I left the Judiciary Police, I am part of no institution, I have no political party, nor am I a member of any sports, recreational, cultural or social association, I do not belong to any congregation or obedience. I wrote three books (Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira; A Mordaça Inglesa; Vidas Sem Defesa), but I do not consider myself a writer. I’m an outsider.

Is freedom of expression not compromised by this type of verdict?

What is happening to me, since 2009, is an attack against freedom of expression and a trial over an offence of opinion. The intellectuals of this country, in general, have reacted with indifference. I am not part of their group, and to make things worse I’m an ex-policeman, something that is reproved by many. As far as I remember, only Dr. Francisco Teixeira da Mota, when the Appeals Court’s decision came out, wrote about the matter, saying that the decision had been correct, as the Portuguese State risked being condemned by the European Court for Human Rights… Someone asked me why the Portuguese Authors’ Society had not come out to defend freedom of expression and to denounce the attack that is underway. I replied I was not a member, which may explain the silence.

Are you still dedicated to writing?

I continue to write, but I have yet to decide when to publish. At the moment, I am writing my memoirs about the profession of criminal investigator.

Why are you economically suffocated? Your house in Tavira went to the bank, your consultancy firm had to close, one third of your pension is arrested…

To all of those questions I only reply that my life is gone. If I am alive, it’s due to the heart that I have.

Have you never considered suing the McCanns over the damages that they caused to your family?

Each thing in its own time, it won’t be only the McCanns, but their group of friends, and other people and entities that will be sued. There is an illicit action that was indeed performed, the neglect in guarding their children, which caused direct damages to many people, not only to myself, but for example to the Ocean Club workers, who were fired and saw their lives change, many of them unjustly passing from mere employees and heads of family to suspects in a criminal investigation, while they had nothing to do with the matter.

Is there a project that you would like to realise some day?

I would like to channel all the support that I have been receiving into the creation of an institution to support children and teenagers at risk, in a perspective of educating them for life, escaping the benefits perspective, promoting and building life projects with them, helping them to escape marginalization and the labeling process.

With so many problems, do you still have time to dream?

Dreaming is a part of free men, it costs no money, it can’t be bought, and we just live and feel it.

What remains unexplained in this case?

I don’t answer that question. Faced with what was said by the couple, after the verdict was known, that they felt stronger, I just feel like saying that only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood. Like Zeca Afonso [Portuguese songwriter and singer] sang, “they eat everything”…

Text: Alexandra Ferreira (alexandra.lemos.ferreira@impala.pt);
Photos: Lusa, Paula Alveno and IMPALA

in: Nova Gente, 15.05.2015, paper edition


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Post  Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 8:31 am

I like this "only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood".

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Post  canada12 on Fri 15 May 2015, 8:33 am


Excellent interview.
I feel so sad for Dr. Amaral.
But he is such a dignified gentleman.

Faced with what was said by the couple, after the verdict was known, that they felt stronger, I just feel like saying that only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood. Like Zeca Afonso [Portuguese songwriter and singer] sang, “they eat everything”…

The best description of them yet.
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Post  Poe on Fri 15 May 2015, 8:55 am

Brilliant, eloquent, defiant and dignified.

This man is a lion that the McCanns will regret having woken.
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Post  costello on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:04 am

Poe wrote:Brilliant, eloquent, defiant and dignified.

This man is a lion that the McCanns will regret having woken.


I agree, he is some man. I hope he does sue all of them.
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Post  Andrew on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:13 am

Yes indeed.

"Each thing in its own time, it won’t be only the McCanns, but their group of friends, and other people and entities that will be sued"

Music to my ears!!!

Top man.
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Post  Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:14 am

I just read this, and it's bloody heartbreaking. What a gentleman and a scholar. This is far from finished, this lovely man deserves restitution and vindication. He is in a completely different league from those two chancer chavs who have destroyed his life, and the lives of his family.

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Post  candyfloss on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:22 am

Resistor wrote:I just read this, and it's bloody heartbreaking.  What a gentleman and a scholar.  This is far from finished, this lovely man deserves restitution and vindication.  He is in a completely different league from those two chancer chavs who have destroyed his life, and the lives of his family.


It is heartbreaking.  What a truly giant of a man, a true gentleman, who has had his life ruined for doing his job. 

It is a shame there are not more people like him in the world. 

Go ahead bb1 and others, no doubt we will get a lot of rolling around on the floor laughing and sneering at my words......... but this man stands head and shoulders above any of you.

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Post  Freedom on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:35 am

I should think that BB1 is gibbering in a dark room without access to the Internet at the moment after the success of the Baulch appeal!

I echo everything that has been said already about the interview.

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Post  Guest on Fri 15 May 2015, 9:42 am

I notice that he is still beating the neglect drum. I wonder if that is what he still believes, or if it is merely the most prudent angle for him to use under his current circumstances?

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Post  PeterMac on Fri 15 May 2015, 10:46 am

Seicento wrote:I notice that he is still beating the neglect drum. I wonder if that is what he still believes, or if it is merely the most prudent angle for him to use under his current circumstances?


Interesting, but of course by repeating the mantra that the parents cynically abandoned three children, all under the age of four
in a cold, dark and unlocked apartment, checking them on four nights a maximum of once an hour, if at all, and on one night every half hour . . .

cannot be libellous, since it is the parent's DEFENCE.  (even if we and possibly he, all doubt that any such thing happened.)

And if that is their DEFENCE, what the hell was the Crime ?
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Post  Freedom on Fri 15 May 2015, 10:51 am

Not to mention three other sets of parents admitting to doing the same thing, even when some of their children were ill.

Did not Dr Amaral say earlier that he thought the children were all being looked after in one place and not left alone? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
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Post  costello on Fri 15 May 2015, 11:01 am

Seicento wrote:I notice that he is still beating the neglect drum. I wonder if that is what he still believes, or if it is merely the most prudent angle for him to use under his current circumstances?


Maybe he has to stick with the script for the time being. I think there must be a neglect angle he could use to his advantage, regardless of whether he believes the children were left on their own.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Fri 15 May 2015, 3:05 pm

Seicento wrote:I notice that he is still beating the neglect drum. I wonder if that is what he still believes, or if it is merely the most prudent angle for him to use under his current circumstances?
I think that is the spot on truth of the matter. Neglect is what they have admitted to so they cannot sue him for saying it. He knows more than the book has revealed. Not for a second has he not studied every breath taken by the McCanns and he will never lie down to them. The bullies of this world should never be allowed to attack this man and get away with it.
Even in the face of ruin he still thinks of those less fortunate. If all that keeps him going is his heart then it is bigger than that of a lion.

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Post  Châtelaine on Fri 15 May 2015, 4:26 pm

@ PeterMac

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"And if that is their DEFENCE, what the hell was the Crime ?"
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A most crucial question, indeed.
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Post  PeterMac on Sun 17 May 2015, 4:43 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:. . . He knows more than the book has revealed. Not for a second has he not studied every breath taken by the McCanns and he will never lie down to them. . . .

He also gives away a few details in the book about what he and the PJ do know.

Harrison reads up on the
statements and interviews from the principal witnesses - including, of course,
those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and
cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the
ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads
to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the
investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible
routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of
the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the
investigation; . .

They had the full weather reports, which must be in the files somewhere, years before we realised they were available and had a look.
They, the PJ and Harrison, therefore know know with certainty that the Last Photo cannot possibly have been taken on 3/5/7
They also know know with certainty that the door did not slam and the curtain did not whoosh.

And they knew that within days of starting the enquiry
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PeterMac wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:. . . He knows more than the book has revealed. Not for a second has he not studied every breath taken by the McCanns and he will never lie down to them. . . .

He also gives away a few details in the book about what he and the PJ do know.

Harrison reads up on the
statements and interviews from the principal witnesses - including, of course,
those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and
cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the
ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads
to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the
investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible
routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of
the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the
investigation; . .

They had the full weather reports, which must be in the files somewhere, years before we realised they were available and had a look.
They, the PJ and Harrison, therefore know know with certainty that the Last Photo cannot possibly have been taken on 3/5/7
They also know know with certainty that the door did not slam and the curtain did not whoosh.

And they knew that within days of starting the enquiry

Just to add on from Peter Mac's post, this is a link to GA's book regarding the work of Mark Harrison with the PJ (that PM took that paragraph from), MH even praises the high calibre of work done by them.  It is sickening to read the posts on the DM website and others after every article about the McCanns when they post that the PJ messed up from the beginning when they actually put so much time and effort into finding Madeleine and were professional and diligent from day one:

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/madeleine-mccann-it-was-english.html

It covers Monday 7th May 2007, it's too long to copy and paste.

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Post  JJ on Sun 17 May 2015, 5:46 pm

Mark Harrison arrived in July 2007 to assist with the enquiries but it is a matter of public record that Amaral requested the presence of a British CEOP officer who would have information and intelligence on British paedophile rings, on Monday 7th May 2007.

He knew, knew within 4 days which way the investigation was going.

Mr Amaral was very specific in his request.  A Child Exploitation and Online Protection Officer with knowledge of British paeodophile rings.

So, who told Amaral about the British CEOP department over that weekend before the British police supposedly arrived?
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Post  PeterMac on Sun 17 May 2015, 6:08 pm

Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:. . .It is sickening to read the posts on the DM website and others after every article about the McCanns when they post that the PJ messed up from the beginning when they actually put so much time and effort into finding Madeleine and were professional and diligent from day one:

And they knew knew (sorry, can't resist doing that stupid thing !) on day ONE that they were being lied to, and that the stories were nonsense.

If a mistake was made, it was in taking so long to make the
couple arguidos. Too much politics, that's what there was, too much politics and
not enough policing.
- I'd say rather that the mistake was in treating the McCanns "with tweezers." From
the start of the investigation, we realised that certain things did not add up and yet,
they continued to benefit from favourable treatment; that's what's not normal!

NO SIGN OF A BREAK-IN
At this stage of the investigation, the hypotheses are numerous, and each one
must be considered. It is necessary to locate and identify all the paedophiles who
live in or who have passed through the Algarve, in order to check that they were not
in the proximity of Vila da Luz on the days preceding the disappearance.
The idea of a robbery gone wrong is not to be ruled out either. During the holidays,
burglaries are not rare, and the police are not always informed, because hotels
avoid spreading this kind of information. Even if the examination of apartment 5A
reveals no trace of a break-in - contrary to what the parents insist and that Sky
announced - we have to take stock of the petty crimes committed in the seaside
resort and at the tourist complex. We are counting on the management of the hotel
so that no incident of this nature remains hidden. Even if we don't have much belief
in the scenario of a burglar who enters the apartment for a burglary and leaves it
with the child, dead or alive, this hypothesis, as ridiculous as it may be, must not
be neglected.

STATEMENTS FROM THE PARENTS AND FRIENDS; FIRST INCONSISTENCIES
Still May 4th . . .
During the morning, only Madeleine's father, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner are
interviewed. However, already contradictions and improbabilities are appearing
from one to another of the statements, notably concerning access to the
apartment.  


And so it goes on. Detailed description of the lies and obstacles placed in their way.
Unsurprising therefore, perhaps, why the Mccanns wanted the book banned.
Add the account of the investigation, to the British Police Advisor's findings, and the British dogs' findings,
and the successor DCI's findings, and the State Prosecutors' findings, and the Files,
and you can understand why they are so frightened.
And why they have no choice but to attack, as the best form of defence.  Get your retaliation in first !

Mercifully for everyone else - except the twins obviously, who tragically will suffer for the rest of their lives, whatever is the outcome -
they have now gone so far that there will be no possibility of Mitigation.
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Sun 17 May 2015, 6:32 pm

What is really odd to me though is why Mr Amaral appears to be completely on his own in Portugal. Is that deliberate or that he just doesn't really have the support there?

He even states in his latest interview that he's cut ties with various organisations and states he's an "outsider".

If he does have a lot of public support in Portugal, I'd like to hear that drum a bit more like we seem to have here.
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Post  Châtelaine on Sun 17 May 2015, 6:51 pm

Oh, there's a drum in Portugal too ...
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Post  Châtelaine on Sun 17 May 2015, 6:53 pm

PeterMac wrote: [...]
Mercifully for everyone else - except the twins obviously, who tragically will suffer for the rest of their lives, whatever is the outcome -
they have now gone so far that there will be no possibility of Mitigation.
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And IMO they must know that.
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Post  Poe on Mon 18 May 2015, 9:06 am

Châtelaine wrote:
PeterMac wrote: [...]
Mercifully for everyone else - except the twins obviously, who tragically will suffer for the rest of their lives, whatever is the outcome -
they have now gone so far that there will be no possibility of Mitigation.
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And IMO they must know that.

That's what I find unforgivable. To destroy your children to save your own scrawny necks is beyond evil. Worse still, is this isn't just a one off, heat of the moment act of panic but an ongoing campaign in its eighth year. The psychological damage to the twins must be immense.
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