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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 6:51 pm

Andrew wrote:
Andrew wrote:... So anyway. Back to the title topic, 'Doubts of Mrs Fenn'.

Snipped from TB referring to it this morn:

I do not accept that there ever was a 'crying incidnet' on 1 May, or indeed any other time.

I find it remarkable that he more than accepted it before he had his little chat with the McCann lawyers. Proof of it all on record of him emphasising and putting great credence on it.

The volte-face after these 'suggestions' to the McCann lawyers is fascinating. I wish he would explain a bit more about that... He appears to cherry-pick stuff from here and post up over there but keeps ignoring my question..... I wonder why that is... scratch

(P.S a tip...Turn spellcheck on Tony. Your posts are always littered with spelling mistakes)

Was just looking for something and accidentally bumped into this post.

And again. I need to look where I'm going.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 8:09 pm

Presumably a deal has been struck?! Between TB and TM...

The 'crying incident' sounds entirely plausible to me and would be consistent with the TM story that the children were left alone in apartments. Not that I think TM tell the truth...but 'something' bad did happen that week, imo,  which would account for the 'disaster' GM talks about and the c*** u** that Murat talks about. And I think it happened early on, hence the McCann routine deviated from that of their friends. Monday morning - something had happened by Monday morning, imo.....
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Andrew on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 11:18 pm

First sentence.... Of course it has.

Stevie Wonder saw through that one.

But anyway.... These 'suggestions'.... Any chance of an honest answer for once?
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 10:34 pm

I want to return to Mrs Fenn because I think she is a very important eye-witness.

I think is is quite helpful to inspect what Kate wrote about Mrs Fenn.

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - i'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plumy voice, inquired, 'Can someone tell me what all the noise is about.'

Notice how Kate does not state which balcony Mrs Fenn appeared on. It's not just any old balcony but the balcony right above the McCanns. Which would mean that whoever was in Mrs Fenn's apartment that week, or indeed on the balcony, might well have witnessed something suspicious, as indeed was precisely the case. Both Mrs Fenn and her niece heard and saw things that were important that week. I think Kate is deliberately not wanting to draw attention to the fact that the balcony is directly above their own apartment. And of course it is on police record that it is from this balcony that Mrs Fenn's niece spots the suspicious-looking blond men exiting from a patio gate below on Thursday afternoon.

The timing that Kate gives is interesting and I think indicates deception. There was a commotion about a missing child well before 11pm. Some reports as early as 9.15pm and certainly by 10pm. It seems likely that Mrs Fenn heard the commotion prior to 11pm and I suspect prior to the time the police were called.

It is also odd that Kate claims Mrs Fenn spoke to her, whereas Gerry in at least one account claims that he spoke to Mrs Fenn who offered to call the police on her mobile. Gerry claims they had already been called.

This account is quite different from the one given by Kate who suggests that Mrs Fenn response was casual and 'woefully inadequate'. Offering to call police on her own mobile phone does not strike me as a 'woefully inadequate' response....

I think it is entirely possible that Mrs Fenn leant over the balcony well before 11pm and it may also have been before police had been called. But TM needed more time before police arrived so they had to pretend that police had already been called. I think it is Matt who is sent up to reception to ask staff to call police. Why didn't Gerry take up Mrs Fenn on her offer?

So far from Mrs Fenn's reaction being 'woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned' as Kate claimed in her book, Mrs Fenn actually offered to help by calling the police.  But Kate, in her usual fashion, has changed the details of the encounter to cast Mrs Fenn in a poor light and to rewrite history. Kate's disparaging use of the word 'plummy' is interesting - inverse snobbery would definitely be part of her modus operandi, imo.

But the point being that Mrs Fenn must be an important eye-witness otherwise Kate would not be so disparaging about her.


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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  canada12 on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 11:52 pm

I think the reaction of most normal parents, under the circumstances, would have been to have asked someone like Mrs Fenn - knowing that they had the apartment right above where their child had been "abducted" from - whether they'd seen anyone or anything earlier in the evening. So desperate would they have been to have news - any kind of news, any clues, anything that might help - they would have moved heaven and earth to ask someone like Mrs Fenn to try and recall what they'd heard...seen.. anything. But no, Kate just wants to dismiss her as being unhelpful.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Mimi on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 12:17 am

An insightful perspective poster.  I wish I had your insight.

The phrase "Woefully inadequate" is cringemaking - it sounds like someone trying to be posh or a head teacher telling off a child.  It`s the sort of phrase my teacher S-I-Law uses all the time and it gives the user superiority.

I agree that using the word `plummy` is inverse snobbery - again, it is demeaning, hardly kind or polite and without decorum.   There was no need at all to demean Mrs. Fenn.  It just shows up KM`s own inadequacies.

PS  You can take the girl out of  ****** but you can`t take ****** out of the girl, as they say.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Freedom on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 9:08 am

I'm just wondering what your X-rated version of that saying is, Mimi! The only one I know is that you can take the girl out of the gutter etc.

It's just part of Kate's general egotistical character I think to berate Mrs Fenn and everyone else involved for not doing enough in her opinion.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 9:26 am

canada12 wrote:I think the reaction of most normal parents, under the circumstances, would have been to have asked someone like Mrs Fenn - knowing that they had the apartment right above where their child had been "abducted" from - whether they'd seen anyone or anything earlier in the evening. So desperate would they have been to have news - any kind of news, any clues, anything that might help - they would have moved heaven and earth to ask someone like Mrs Fenn to try and recall what they'd heard...seen.. anything. But no, Kate just wants to dismiss her as being unhelpful.

Exactly! Mrs Fenn's apartment was occupied all week and her niece and some other guests were sitting on the balcony for quite a few hours on Thursday afternoon - something that I very much suspect was unwelcome to TM and I suspect did not go unnoticed. She was a thorn in their side as she was so close to apartment 5A.

It is noteworthy that TM made much of their visit to the beach on Thursday. It appears that it was important that the group were not at Ocean Club that afternoon, or in and out of each other's apartments, but were somewhere else.

We also cannot know for sure whether Mrs Fenn told anyone else about the crying incident she heard on the Tuesday. I think it is quite possible, given how long it went on for and how it became 'more expressive' that someone or several other people heard this crying. It is not impossible that it was reported to reception, for instance. TM I would imagine worked hard to suppress any negative information about them and independent witnesses to Mrs Finn's account would be most unwelcome, I would imagine, as they allow a picture to be drawn up of how events might have unfolded that week.

I would suggest that the crying incident indicates that by Tuesday evening events had spiralled out of control and there was a serious crisis on the TM hands.

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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 9:34 am

Mimi wrote:An insightful perspective poster.  I wish I had your insight.

The phrase "Woefully inadequate" is cringemaking - it sounds like someone trying to be posh or a head teacher telling off a child.  It`s the sort of phrase my teacher S-I-Law uses all the time and it gives the user superiority.

I agree that using the word `plummy` is inverse snobbery - again, it is demeaning, hardly kind or polite and without decorum.   There was no need at all to demean Mrs. Fenn.  It just shows up KM`s own inadequacies.

PS  You can take the girl out of  ****** but you can`t take ****** out of the girl, as they say.

Agreed - Kate and indeed the whole group are highly duplicitous, imo. Don't forget - Mrs Fenn heard an hour and a quarter of crying coming from apartment 5A on Tuesday evening. Given the group admit to leaving their children alone and checking every half an hour or so does that not signify that the 'checking' story was not true? Otherwise, why would the crying have gone on so long? So who exactly is being 'woefully inadequate' here? Mrs Fenn who offers to call police on her mobile when she is told a little girl has been abducted, or the McCanns and their friends who leave their children alone resulting in one of them crying for an hour and a quarter.

Of course it is possible that the crying was not one of the children but Kate crying out: 'Maddie'. But this would be just as incriminating as it could suggest that Madeleine had come to some serious harm by then which Kate was inconsolable about.

TM always wish to point the finger away from themselves and onto third parties who have done nothing wrong, imo. Mrs Fenn is a classic example.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  Tangled Web on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 12:42 pm

For Mrs Fenn to be able to speak to anyone down in apartment 5A they must have been in the garden as her balcony is directly over that of 5A.

In itself not important but what would people be doing in the tiny garden of 5A. It wasn't a party with overspill into the outdoor area.
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Re: Doubts on Mrs Fenn's statement?

Post  poster on Mon 27 Nov 2017, 8:31 pm

Tangled Web wrote:For Mrs Fenn to be able to speak to anyone down in apartment 5A they must have been in the garden as her balcony is directly over that of 5A.

In itself not important but what would people be doing in the tiny garden of 5A. It wasn't a party with overspill into the outdoor area.

The cadaver dogs did alert to the flower beds a the front of the McCann apartment in the summer. I wonder if someone tried to remove a body - possibly in a bag - but put it down there hurredly when someone else walked by perhaps?

What was the real reason for Jez Wilkins just so happening to bump into Gerry McCann just after Gerry McCann had allegedly checked on Madeleine and allegedly saw her for the lst time at just after 9pm on that fateful evening? Which just so happens to be at almost the same time as Jane Tanner allegedly saw Tanner-man who she claims was in all likelihood Madeleine's abductor?

Too many coincidences, surely? All those people in such close proximity to each other at such a crucial time in such a crucial place? The father of Madeleine just after he allegedly saw her for the last time - before she was abducted - TV drama/documentary maker (whose wife had worked on Crimewatch) Jez Wilkins just happens to be pushing his pram around at the same time and friend of the McCanns Jane Tanner who allegedly (alone of all them apparently) saw Madeleine's abductor spiriting her away at around 9.15pm - just up the road, allegedly.

Agatha Cristie could have written it with a full cast. And where is Inspecter Clousea when you need him?
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