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Post  Bampots on Sun 24 May 2015, 10:51 am

Thought it would be interesting to compare or contrast statements from friends/childminders from GB after Tigger said in "Doubts about Mrs Fenn".......

[quote="Tigger"][Re Gill statement: this phrase (as Andrew piinted out) occurs in at least two other statements by friends put on the rog list by the McCanns.

There was no way in which Kate and Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and then have transported her body to another place.

Very much like the identical phrasing of broken shutters and open doors. Word-perfect lot! Having visions of rehearsals to achieve this uncanny similarity, either that or the same crib sheets.
All my opinion and inferences/quote]

I'm thinking along the lines of the following (and perhaps people could expand the list)...


Amanda Jane Coxon
Karen Lamena Elaine McCalman
Linda Ruth McQueen
Michelle Thompson
Nicky Toni Gill


To start with Amanda Coxon the main thing that really jumps out from her rogatory is ......

Kate and Gerry never mentioned having any type of problem with Madeleine.
She was well behaved, never caused her parents any problems and apparently always understood what she was told. The parents never looked tired of taking care of Madeleine.

I have no knowledge about whether Madeleine was subject to taking medicine and I never saw anyone giving her any medication. Gerry and Kate never referred to any medication that Madeleine was taking.

As I said before, Madeleine was a very well behaved and lively child.

With relation to the question about haemorrhages, I was never present at any episode when Madeleine bled, other than a normal nose bleed when she inserted her finger into her nose and bled.
Nothing different from any other child having a nose bleed.

In my opinion, Kate and Gerry and the children are a happy family who enjoy having fun together. There are no words to describe what happened last year and they do not deserve to have been treated in the way they have been, by the community and by the press. They are two decent and hardworking people who are devoted to their children.        
From......CARTAS ROGATORIAS UK (FILE 4)
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Why the question about haemorrhages ? You do get the impression that a McCann hand is behind the gist of these statements. They never tire (Oh to meet the parents who never tire!) ,a well behaved lively child , perhaps hides that she could be exhausting IMO.

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Post  Bampots on Tue 26 May 2015, 9:55 pm

Karen Lamena McCalman........like Amanda, Karen, chidminded (not sure if  she WAS a friend ,then childminded  or was a childminder who became a friend?). She mentions medication as did Amanda and behaviour amongst other things......"Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.
She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive." Another McCann moment passage,perfect child etc,except we could bring her to her senses like an adult. BUT she was perfect so why the need to bring her to her senses...........

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4 to 5—Witness statement of Karen Lamena Elaine McCalman (family friend) 2008.05.14

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This deposition (comprising 2 pages and signed by me) is true and according to my understanding. I am aware that, if proven to the contrary, I will be subject to prosecution if I have voluntarily testified to something with knowledge of it being false or not corresponding to the truth.
Date: May 16, 2008
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I am the abovementioned person living in East Goscote, Leicestershire. The full address was previously supplied to police. I live with my husband and our two children of four and two years of age.

Recently I was interviewed by police from Leicestershire on certain points concerning the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I have been informed that this questionnaire was drawn up following a formal request from the Portuguese authorities. I am aware that my testimony is subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code and English law.

These are the answers that I can provide to the questions which I received:

I have known Kate McCann and her daughter Madeleine for about two and a half years. At that time the McCANN family lived in Queniborough. Kate and I knew each other from the local group of http://www.netmums.com group of toddlers at Charnwood. We got on well with each other and we became friends. We met at least once a week and we frequented each other's homes. I took care of Madeleine some afternoons or days.

I always thought Madeleine was fun [-loving], smart and expressed herself with ease. She had a very pleasant personality and got on very well with my daughter. She made people smile.

Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].

I think Kate was a little shy until we got to know each other. She is strong but modest and would never want to be on the pedestal where she is today.

I am not aware of any conflict between the family. Madeleine and Kate got on well together like best friends do. I never saw Kate or Gerry physically mistreat children. (page 1)
I never saw Madeleine ill and I consider her a healthy child. I never saw changes in her behaviour.

Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.
She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive.

Regarding the sleep habits of Madeleine, Kate told me that when they lived in Queniborough Madeleine used to wake in the middle of the night and come to bed with the parents for the rest of the night. When they moved to Rothley she began to do this less often and the parents used to give her stickers as a bonus to sleep all night alone.

I remember there were many of these stickers in the house, for the nights when she would sleep alone all night. The stickers were glued to the door of the refrigerator.

Kate and Gerry never seemed tired and never struggled to take care of the children.
I have no knowledge of Madeleine at any time to have been subjected to medication. I only remember her being given paracetamol once when she had a cold.

I think the behaviour of Madeleine appropriate for her age. She was very energetic, but a model child. She liked to swim, play tennis and ride a bicycle and attend kindergarten.

I think Kate and Gerry were exemplary parents. Kate never raised her voice and always kept herself calm and never seemed tired of her children even on the busiest days. Gerry 'stripped' his professional air such that he came home after work and got involved entirely with the children.

I do not remember any more, nor any information or additional explanation that is relevant or which may help in the investigation.

This testimony was made by me and it is true according to my understanding.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA-LEMc.htm

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Post  Mo on Tue 26 May 2015, 10:32 pm

We met at least once a week and we frequented each other's homes. I took care of Madeleine some afternoons or days.


All her friends seem to be childminders - it seems to me they were users.  When exactly did they look after their own children - even on holiday they were at the crèche all day.  At least the other T7 had their children with them in the afternoons (apart from Jane's eldest).
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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 2:00 am

Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.
She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive.

WTF is that supposed to mean?!

And that expression again - almost perfect?

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Post  Poe on Wed 27 May 2015, 9:18 am

That whole depostion is odd confused

It reads like it was made to counter specific information about Madeleine, Kate & Gerry but in doing so has swung too far in the opposite direction making them into Disneyesque images of perfection which, in me, rings all sorts of warning bells.

Compare:

I am not aware of any conflict between the family. Madeleine and Kate got on well together like best friends do.

Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child.

Kate and Gerry never seemed tired and never struggled to take care of the children.


With http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482238/Kate-McCann-My-struggle-control-difficult-Madeleine.html:

Kate McCann: My struggle to control 'very difficult' Madeleine
Last updated at 19:06 17 September 2007


Kate McCann has revealed that she struggled to control Madeleine McCann after the birth of her and Gerry's twins, it was revealed today.

Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.


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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 9:31 am

The word scream used by more than one person in relation to Madeleine.

Also by Pamela Fenn about what she heard Tues 1st May 07.

Also by Jane  Tanner in April 08 when she described her own daughter as having a meltdown, probably Wed 2nd May.
Not by her partner same month and year when he described a rather uneventful week regarding his own family, apart from his feeling ill that week.

And from 4th May we hear from the Mcs a variety of combinations of crying on Wed 2nd May, their own children, becoming just Maddie crying on the Wednesday by the time of their September statements.

Not too good at the moment so having trouble getting this sorted coherently in my head never mind in a post, but Tanner once again rides to the rescue with her account of Ella Wednesday meltdown maybe. All connected imo.

ETA  : multiple McCann voices heard  Wed....... the parents in May 07 statements.
          one voice screaming Tues..................... Fenn     Aug 07.
          one voice crying  Wed.......................... Mcs       Sept 07.

          one voice screaming Wed................       Tanner   April 08.

          no screaming mentioned................        ROB       April 08.

        PJ files published..........................                      August 08

 all above to best of my knowledge.

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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 2:26 pm

@Bampots - the McCanns did set the questions and imo in most cases provided the answers to be given.

They asked for the rogatories - then the PJ put in several requests of their own and questions of their own.

It really shows in ROB's rogatory interview(s).

The interviewer actually divided the questions set by TM and the PJ questions, a very good source for research.
Some of the questions were about the same issues so that's why I found two lots of questions - separated by many others - on printing the first photo. Really weird.

I can only explain some of the answers given in this topic if TM not only set the questions but provided the answers as well. Very Happy

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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 3:39 pm


I am not aware of any conflict between the family. Madeleine and Kate got on well together like best friends do.
So not like mother and daughter do, then?

Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child.
Almost?

Kate and Gerry never seemed tired and never struggled to take care of the children.
Not, "Kate and Gerry sometimes got tired and struggled, but no more than anybody else with three little kids."

Now that would be credible. And not suspicious at all. But all this Disney stuff, as Poe rightly points out, rings major alarm bells.




Missing Madeleine would run around 'screaming...shouting for my attention', the mother-of-three said.


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As do lots of toddlers with a new sibling (or siblings) on the scene. What's wrong with that? Perfectly normal, I'd say!

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Post  Poe on Wed 27 May 2015, 4:08 pm

Tigger wrote:@Bampots - the McCanns did set the questions and imo in most cases provided the answers to be given.

From the rogatories on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id358.html, it looks like you are correct Tigger:


Michelle Thompson witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

Nicky Toni Gill witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never placed the children at risk and I know that they adored Madeleine and the twins, because they both very much wanted to have children. They both loved their children, Madeleine meant everything to Kate and in my opinion they are both excellent parents, totally devoted to their children.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 27 May 2015, 4:13 pm

It reminds me of my prehistoric school days when you copied someone else's homework, altering it in places in the hope that you wouldn't get rumbled.

It is all as unrealistic and unbelievable as the McCanns' story in all its changing versions.
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Post  Mimi on Wed 27 May 2015, 6:49 pm

Poe wrote:
Tigger wrote:@Bampots - the McCanns did set the questions and imo in most cases provided the answers to be given.

From the rogatories on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id358.html, it looks like you are correct Tigger:


Michelle Thompson witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

Nicky Toni Gill witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never placed the children at risk and I know that they adored Madeleine and the twins, because they both very much wanted to have children. They both loved their children, Madeleine meant everything to Kate and in my opinion they are both excellent parents, totally devoted to their children.

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Post  candyfloss on Wed 27 May 2015, 6:55 pm

Mimi wrote:
Poe wrote:
Tigger wrote:@Bampots - the McCanns did set the questions and imo in most cases provided the answers to be given.

From the rogatories on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id358.html, it looks like you are correct Tigger:


Michelle Thompson witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

Nicky Toni Gill witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never placed the children at risk and I know that they adored Madeleine and the twins, because they both very much wanted to have children. They both loved their children, Madeleine meant everything to Kate and in my opinion they are both excellent parents, totally devoted to their children.

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I think the reason for this is the questions that were put.  There is a list somewhere.  ie. (just an example):


1.  Did K & G every put their children at risk
2.  Did they love Madeleine and the twins
3.  Were they good parents
4  Were they devoted to their children...................

etc., etc., you get my drift.  It was a list of questions that K & G wanted asked and the PJ may have added some although don't know.

It is the same as the witnesses, like Smith etc., they were asked questions, like did he look foreign, or a holiday maker, what did he wear, was he dressed like a tourist.  All questions compiled so that each witness gets asked the same and nothing missed out.  That's how I see it.

I am sure there is a list somewhere of the questions k & G wanted asking.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Wed 27 May 2015, 7:04 pm

I agree they would be answering the same questions but the wording of the answers is so similar as to look like they are working to a script. The way I see it the questions set by K and G were probably discussed with the witnesses and the answers were dictated to them.
I have never heard of key players in a crime being allowed to set questions.

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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 7:22 pm

Processo Volume XI, pages 3030 to 3034

Faxed from Society of Attorneys 16 Oct 2007 to Ministerio Publico in Portimao.

GERALD PATRICK MCCANN and KATE MARIE HEALY, better identified in the documents referenced above, approach, very respectfully, to set forth and request, Sir, the following:

1 - Since the applicants stopped being considered witnesses, moving to suspects of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, witnesses central to the discovery of truth were not questioned, or re-questioned.

2 - With the recent investigations, witness interviews and interrogations of the applicants, new questions were raised and doubts aroused, broadening, in this way, the object of the investigation, as well as matters of fact considered relevant to the investigations.

3 - Indeed, the Investigation departed from confining itself to the disappearance of the minor, proceeding to embrace other matters, allegedly connected with her.

4 - It is therefore essential to hear these witnesses who can explain facts now very relevant, such as the way the couple treated their children, their personality and routine and, even, the reactions manifested by them after the disappearance and the consequent psychological and emotional state.

5 - So, and because it is believed essential and indispensable for the establishment of the facts and consequent discovery of the truth, they come to request the hearing of the following groups of witnesses, all present and with direct knowledge of the facts:
Unquote  ( rather long doc. See ref above)

They were advised to use their status as arguidos - which gives them more rights under Portuguese law - to ask for a bunch of friendly witnesses to be heard.
We then have the Rothley meeting in mid November, where the answers to be given in the rogatories were thrashed out. The PJ also had the right to interview McCann and Healy as much and as long as they liked. That wasn't to their liking and that must have been one of the reasons Jaqui Smith held up the process.
Although the document referred to above gives very pointed guidlines as to which questions should be asked, the PJ had their own list of questions, which no doubt they didn't make public. So that explains the errrmms and youknows - the stalling in the rogatories.
It's rather satisfying to find that the rogatories have been far more informative than the McCanns intended. Can't have total control Gerry!

Imo this is all part of the damage limitation that was ongoing as from the moment they were made arguidos.

So in short: imo the rogatories were requested because the witnesses listed could whitewash the McCanns. In a nutshell, didn't work.


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Post  candyfloss on Wed 27 May 2015, 7:44 pm

Here is one of the things I have see in relation to the questioning, I think these are the PJ questions, there is another list somewhere from K &G...





http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

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Post  candyfloss on Wed 27 May 2015, 7:50 pm

Here is the list of people and the questions to each group Kate and Gerry McCann wanted asking of their friends and witnesses.  It is too long to copy here - so this is the link.......



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MCCANNS-WANTED.htm

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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 8:12 pm

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Madeleine never made complaints about anybody. She never showed bad behaviour, in fact she was almost the perfect child. We were able to bring her to her senses like she was an adult.
She never seemed scared. She was not hyperactive.

WTF is that supposed to mean?!

And that expression again - almost perfect?

Yes! Gives it away doesn't it? Sounds like Gerry to me. visions of these people learning the text by heart although quite a few were just written statements.

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Post  Guest on Wed 27 May 2015, 8:24 pm

From ROB's rogatory, part III:


1578 “Okay. We shall move on to the next phase which is a list of questions I shall ask you and these originate from the PJ”.
Reply “Mmm mmm”.
1578 “And then we shall follow on with Gerry and Kate’s list of questions”.
Reply “Okay”.
1578 “And then any other business really”.
Reply “Mmm mmm”.

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Post  Bampots on Thu 28 May 2015, 12:08 am

The statements of the first two posts bear similarities in direction and content and as per the McCanns feeding questions and answers. The next two seem more direct somehow and interestingly the bones of the story in its final metamorphosis starts to appear in them IMO. Linda McQueen and Michelle Thompson differ in that they are lifelong friends of Kate (way back to infant school!) and the detail of what "happened" and the line to address it, has more definition. You would tell your mates more after all. It is also worth noting that Michelle is Jon Corners wife.

I may not have the amount of friends Kate has,but, I have a fairly big family some of which would certainly come running in the event of any calamity. I must say the numbers who went running to Portugal were biblical,they must have been falling over each other!

I've put these two together as it seemed apt.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/M_THOMPSON.htm

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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law
Michelle Thompson (Kate's friend) 2008.05.01
10 to 12 Witness statement of Michelle Thomson (Kate's friend) 2008.05.01
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Witness Testimony
CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5?(3) e 5B; Criminal Process 2005, Decision 27.1

Testimony of: Michelle Thompson
Age if less than 18:
Occupation: University Professor

This statement (constituting two pages and signed by me) is the truth and in accord with my understanding. I offer this evidence with the knowledge that, if proven to the contrary, I may be subject to litigation of having voluntarily witnessed something which is false or does not correspond to the truth.
Date: 01 May of 2008
Signature: ________________________________________

I am the above referenced person and live at the address previously given to the Leicestershire police. I was questioned related to my relationship with the McCanns and with the Healy family and also about my visit to Portugal during the summer of 2007.

I have known Kate since the first day of nursery school 36 years ago, when we lived in Anfield, in Liverpool. We maintained our friendship through adulthood. Kate met Gerry in University around 13 or 14 years ago and married 10 years ago. They have thee children, Madeleine, 5 years old, and the twins, Sean and Amelie, 3 years of age. My companion and I, Jon Corner, were Amelie's god-parents. Kate is the god-mother of my daughter Charlotte.

Before Madeleine's the disappearance last year, Jon and I saw Kate, Gerry and the family about five times per year. We would go to Leicester or they would come to Liverpool. This would normally happen around holidays, like birthdays, Christmas, etc.

On the morning of the 4th of May, 2007, Kate called our land line but we did not hear it as we were asleep and did not put the phone on the bed. She left a message and asked us to call her once we heard the message. Kate must have tried Jon?s mobile once as we stirred when it rang at about 03h20. Jon spoke briefly with Kate and then called her around 03h30. I knew that Kate and Gerry were on holidays in Portugal. Kate was very anguished and on the telephone and told me that she had checked on the children every half-hour. It was around 22h00, and when she went to check on the children she found that someone had entered the apartment and taken Madeleine from where she slept; that Madeleine had been abducted. The person must have entered, passed by the twins and taken her.

Kate continued that when she entered the apartment via the patio doors, a breeze hit her in the face as if a door or window was open. When she entered the children's room, the window was open, the blind had been forced and Madeleine had disappeared. Kate urged me to call all the close family and to ask them to pray for Madeleine. My family is catholic and Kate knew this. Even though I am catholic, I have to admit that Kate has more faith than I. I did not speak to Gerry that night.

During the next 24 hours, we maintained contact through text messages but I spoke to her around 04H30 on the next day, Saturday, the 5th of May of 2007. Kate was still frustrated and anguished and felt that nobody was doing anything to help find Madeleine. She told me that the police had left in the morning and returned around 09H30 and that now only a few agents with sniffer dogs were in the locale. This was all the activity that I know of. I asked her if I could help her in Portugal and she responded in the affirmative. For this reason, with a common friend, Nick Gill, (whom Kate also contacted) and I planned to fly to Faro the next day. We left from Liverpool directly to Faro on Sunday morning.

We were greeted at the airport by representatives of Mark Warner who took us to the Ocean Club resort. We met Gerry and Kate half-way through this day. Kate looked terrible, exhausted and wasted. She lamented that Madeleine would be found in a ditch and that the next time she would see her would be in the mortuary; that a paedophile had taken her.

Sometime later, Gerry and Kate went to get the twins from the creche, trying to give them the most normal routine. During our stay, we helped them were we could in maintaining some normality for the twins. At the end of this week, Kate and Gerry spoke with a psychologist called Alan, contracted by Mark Warner. After this, both appeared calmer and more capable of analyzing the situation.

On Monday, Gerry became more confused regarding what to do and how to do it. Monday morning, Fiona Payne knocked on our door and told us of a search, organised by some residents and tourists. We were transported with about 10 other people in a mini bus. We spent the morning searching the terrain and fields of difficult access near the resort. I cannot recite precisely the locale.

There was no police involvement in this search. Around 12h00 I received a telephone from Kate asking if Nicky and I could take care of the twins while they attended a session with the media asking for help and had just returned to the resort. Between us both, we watched the twins that afternoon. That night, a group of local women and children, accompanied by the church's priest arrived at the apartment and prayed the rosary. It was at this time that Kate was given access to the church and Gerry was loaned a lap-top with access to the internet.

The next day, Tuesday, I left the resort and returned home as I have small children. Nicky stayed a few extra days. Since my return, we have maintained daily contact via text messages. At times, I call, but always when I answer the telephone she appeared profoundly anguished. During my stay, Gerry was truly disturbed but handled the situation better than Kate, especially after the conversation with Alan, the psychologist. This was how he dealt with the situation.

Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

This testimony was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding.

Note the breeze ( of which she seems to have learned from Kate!?) was upon entering the apartment and NOT when going to close door of the children's room,THEN WHOOSH.
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Testimony from Linda Ruth Mcqueen 07 May 2008
Deposition of: Linda Ruth McQUEEN
Age if less than 18 years:
Occupation: Teacher
This deposition (comprising 2 pages and signed by me) is true and according to my understanding. I am aware that, if proven to the contrary, I will be subject to prosecution if I have voluntarily testified to something with
knowledge of it being false or not corresponding to the truth.
Date: 07 May of 2008
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I am the abovementioned person living at the address previously supplied to the police of Leicestershire. I was questioned about my friendship with the McCann and the Healy families as well as my visits to Portugal during the Summer of 2007. During my childhood I lived with my mother in the same street as Brian and Susan Healy, who are the parents of Kate. I have known Kate since 6 months of age and my mother and hers are still today great friends. We went to the same school even though I was 6 years older than Kate. We continued our friendship during school and into adulthood. Kate met Gerry while at university about 13 or 14 years ago and they married about 10 years ago. They have 3 children, Madeleine almost 5 years of age and twins, Sean and Amelie, who are 3 years old. In October 1998 my husband and I had our daughter, Ellie, and Kate and Gerry married at Christmas that same year. Kate and Gerry adored Ellie, both desired children. Kate wanted to have a tribe of 6 or 7. When Kate became pregnant with Madeleine it was a great event for them, given that Kate had faced problems with conceiving. After the birth of Madeleine the family moved to Amsterdam so that Gerry could continue his professional training. While they were there Kate received IVF treatment and became pregnant with the twins. It was a difficult pregnancy but Sean and Amelie were born healthy in February 2006. Before the disappearance of Madeleine last year, Mark and I used to see Kate, Gerry and the family approximately every two months, we went to Leicester or they came to Liverpool.

On the morning of 4 May 2007 the mother of Kate telephoned my mother who, in turn, telephoned me. My mother told me that something terrible had happened, that somebody had taken Madeleine. I later sent a text message to Kate that same night and
I spoke with her on the telephone. She was hysterical, saying only that she wanted to be able to hug Madeleine. She was worried by the fact that there were only two police officers in the place and thought that the police were not helping her with anything. She continued to speak about Madeleine, of the cold that she could feel since she was dressed only in pyjamas and continued to look at the situation from the perspective of Madeleine. She told me that Gerry was outside to find the girl and during the following day we spoke on the telephone and we frequently sent messages [to each other].
On Saturday I spoke on the telephone with Gerry who was sobbing and we decided that I would go to Portugal as soon as Nicky Gill and Michelle Thompson returned home, to replace them and to render assistance. During 2007 I travelled to Portugal on 3 separate occasions: from 12 - 19 May; 26 - 29 June; and 19 - 26 August.

On the first occasion I caught the same flight as the priest Paul Seddon and we arrived on Saturday night. We went straight to the apartment where Kate and Gerry were at supper, Gerry embraced us and Kate was crying. We remained for some time and Kate repeated "Where is she? Who has her?" I felt that Kate and Gerry were focused on the idea to find Madeleine in their own way, and the local police had not progressed. I stayed in a separate room in the apartment of Kate and Gerry during all my stay. I helped in the attempt to keep the daily routine of the twins, namely in taking them to the day-care centre. Gerry and Kate always returned for lunch and took the children to afternoon tea in the attempt to give a semblante of normality. Kate and Gerry were involved in innumerable interviews with the press and the police all day, but they arranged
[their] availability to always give attention to the twins, namely the bath before sleep. During it we would speak about how things had gone during the day and make plans for the following day.

During the first week that I was in Portugal Kate and Gerry were transported [driven] by representatives of Mark Warner. Sandy Cameron was also there and possessed a hire car, but it was not the Renault Scenic that Gerry and Kate rented during
the third week that I stayed with them in Portugal.
In the second week that I was there, I travelled [to Portugal] with Nicky Gill. We stayed with the Trish and Sandy in the apartment close to Kate and Gerry. On this occasion Gerry drove a hire car but I do not remember if it was the previous car of Sandy or the Renault scenic.
In the third week I travelled [to Portugal] with my husband, Mark, our daughter Ellie and the priest Paul Seddon. Ellie and I stayed in the Villa that Kate and Gerry had rented, Paul and Mark stayed in an apartment in the immediate vicinity. During this period both Kate and Gerry drove the Renault Scenic and I travelled frequently in that vehicle.

With respect to rooms where I stayed, I noticed nothing strange.
With respect to the hired vehicles, I noticed nothing strange in any of them; never was there a disagreeable or intense [sharp] smell. We frequently used the boot of the vehicles to place the things of the children and ours, given that there were two child's chairs in the rear section that left no extra space.
That Kate and Gerry could have hidden Madeleine and carried her body inside of the car was uncertain [doubtful/dubious/problematical]. They are both devoted parents and it is incomprehensible that they would have [deliberately] hurt Madeleine. As far as I know, Gerry and Kate were never alone given that the press followed them everywhere, and would not have had a chance to do it [transport the body]. Also, I think that it would have been impossible for Madeleine to have left the apartment by herself.

Since Kate and Gerry returned to the United kingdom, we have kept contact through written messages almost daily. I visited them in Leicester once in a while and they also have visited us. I have a mobile phone with the number 0780xxxx900 that I use to contact Kate and Gerry. This telephone is with the O2 service provider. My husband Mark has one with the number 0783xxxx936 with the Orange service provider. At home we have a fixed telephone with the number 01704xxx594.

This statement was made by me and is true in accordance with my understanding.

So Gerry was "outside to find the GIRL(surely Madeleine!!) and Kate was doing the searching in her own way,by repeating the mantra "where is she","who has her?",not actually searching then.......

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Re: Kate's Mates

Post  Andrew on Thu 28 May 2015, 9:32 am

I would hazard a guess that Kates mates are very few and far between these days.

A lot of 'old friends' distancing themselves. Don't call us, we'll call you sort of thing.

Apart from the ones that are in too deep - perverting the course of justice imo etc.
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Post  Poe on Thu 28 May 2015, 10:01 am

candyfloss wrote:
Mimi wrote:
Poe wrote:
Tigger wrote:@Bampots - the McCanns did set the questions and imo in most cases provided the answers to be given.

From the rogatories on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id358.html, it looks like you are correct Tigger:


Michelle Thompson witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never put their children at risk and they adored Madeleine and the twins. Both love their children and Madeleine represented everything to Kate and in my opinion, they are both excellent parents and totally devoted to their children.

Nicky Toni Gill witness statement:
Kate and Gerry never placed the children at risk and I know that they adored Madeleine and the twins, because they both very much wanted to have children. They both loved their children, Madeleine meant everything to Kate and in my opinion they are both excellent parents, totally devoted to their children.

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I think the reason for this is the questions that were put.  There is a list somewhere.  ie. (just an example):


1.  Did K & G every put their children at risk
2.  Did they love Madeleine and the twins
3.  Were they good parents
4  Were they devoted to their children...................

etc., etc., you get my drift.  It was a list of questions that K & G wanted asked and the PJ may have added some although don't know.

It is the same as the witnesses, like Smith etc., they were asked questions, like did he look foreign, or a holiday maker, what did he wear, was he dressed like a tourist.  All questions compiled so that each witness gets asked the same and nothing missed out.  That's how I see it.

I am sure there is a list somewhere of the questions k & G wanted asking.

If the almost identical paragraphs are a result of a series of questions, surely Linda McQueen would have had a similar paragraph in her statement. Linda McQueen and Michelle Thompson are Kate's lifelong friends and Linda McQueen and Nicky Gill went rushing over to PdL so Linda McQueens questions should have been a combination of those put to Michelle Thompson and Nicky Gill.
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Re: Kate's Mates

Post  candyfloss on Thu 28 May 2015, 10:11 am

I don't know poe, but it does say on the link I posted further up that there were several groups, and different groups had different questions?  Or they may have been in same group, need to read it again.

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Re: Kate's Mates

Post  Guest on Thu 28 May 2015, 2:54 pm

Loking at those coloured bits - could do the same with the broken shutters, the high shelf and cuddlecat , the door hanging open - I think PeterMac made a list of those. It's almost as if they'd all had the same email and had time to learn it by heart. It's plain impossible for so many different people to come up with the same phrases.


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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Thu 28 May 2015, 3:36 pm

Those identical responses in a different order remind me of that Ed Milliband video that Richard D Hall talked about.
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Post  Guest on Thu 28 May 2015, 3:56 pm

I ran it through a plagiarism checker, of the type used in schools, colleges, universities and publishers.


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