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Post  Guest on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 10:30 am

Reading with interest, not computer savvy and all seems a big conspiracy but posted ages ago on CMOMM that 30th and 2nd glossed over in Kate's book, with near silence about the Monday. Supermarket trip with iirc Jane and the usual evening meal. Nothing for the reader who has read in tedious detail about activities which almost at once became routine yet Maddie was out of crèche while twins remained and spent nearly 3 hours[ presumably with an adult] at another location, doing something.

First interviews dealt with Thursday and while Kate not interviewed again Gerry was. He mentioned Wed only re evening iirc and after great detail about Sunday spoke next of Tuesday. MONDAY A DAY HE SAID ZERO ABOUT AND IT PUZZLINGLY SEEMS HIS ATTENTION NOT DRAWN BACK TO IT.

Posted on twitter after reading about the company who produced the CEOP logo that this design was made 2006 and although a conspiracy too far the design features a keyhole with its reminder of a certain eye defect.

Can't post but please google image CEOP logos to see the coloboma like design in the broken circle and also there is another logo of a stick person holding an eye.

Sorry to post but the date being discussed on this thread TOO coincidental imo.

All very intriguing to me considering the year 2006.


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Post  Andrew on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 10:37 am

Ah bugger.. So this Henshaw chap was a wum then hey. 

Sounded genuine to me. Albeit for 3 or so posts.

I took it that he knew nothing about this case prior, then started to look into it once he was asked about the WBM.

As he believes the WBM then he says the government must be involved from the off. And because of that he doesn't want to get involved in any further discussions.

Could be and probably very wrong on that though.
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Post  Dee Coy on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 10:46 am

That's how I read it too, Andrew.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 10:53 am

I really don't know who or what to believe, sad because this is about a young child.

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Post  Dee Coy on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 10:55 am

Russian Doll wrote:   Reading with interest, not computer savvy and all seems a big conspiracy but posted ages ago on CMOMM that 30th and 2nd glossed over in Kate's book, with near silence about the Monday. Supermarket trip with iirc Jane and the usual evening meal. Nothing for the reader who has read in tedious detail about activities which almost at once became routine yet Maddie was out of crèche while twins remained and spent nearly 3 hours[ presumably with an adult] at another location, doing something.

First interviews dealt with Thursday and while Kate not interviewed again Gerry was. He mentioned Wed only re evening iirc and after great detail about Sunday spoke next of Tuesday. MONDAY A DAY HE SAID ZERO ABOUT AND IT PUZZLINGLY SEEMS HIS ATTENTION NOT DRAWN BACK TO IT.

Posted on twitter after reading about the company who produced the CEOP logo that this design was made 2006 and although a conspiracy too far the design features a keyhole with its reminder of a certain eye defect.

Can't post but please google image CEOP logos to see the coloboma like design in the broken circle and also there is another logo of a stick person holding an eye.

Sorry to post but the date being discussed on this thread TOO coincidental imo.

All very intriguing to me considering the year 2006.


It all fits, doesn't it?

The fact that the Monday, 30 April, was glossed over at every opportunity suggests to me something unexpected rather than pre-planned happened that day. If it was pre-planned you can bet a full and oft-repeated itinerary for Monday would have been prepared and delivered. The silence surrounding the day suggests an unexpected shock happened - a spanner in the works.

But were those 'works' a government false flag or a private endeavor between a small group of individuals with their own agenda?

Just musing thoughts, as ever.

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Re: CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007

Post  Dee Coy on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:00 am

Something happening on Monday 30th would also back up PeterMac's research that the Last Photo was not shopped but merely had it's date manipulated to show 3 May. Peter has long demonstrated that the only day which could have fulfilled the weather conditions shown in the photo was Sunday 29 April.

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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:15 am

I wonder was RH the man PeterMac had asked to look into this? If so, I'd believe him.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:24 am

Dee Coy wrote:
Russian Doll wrote:   Reading with interest, not computer savvy and all seems a big conspiracy but posted ages ago on CMOMM that 30th and 2nd glossed over in Kate's book, with near silence about the Monday. Supermarket trip with iirc Jane and the usual evening meal. Nothing for the reader who has read in tedious detail about activities which almost at once became routine yet Maddie was out of crèche while twins remained and spent nearly 3 hours[ presumably with an adult] at another location, doing something.

First interviews dealt with Thursday and while Kate not interviewed again Gerry was. He mentioned Wed only re evening iirc and after great detail about Sunday spoke next of Tuesday. MONDAY A DAY HE SAID ZERO ABOUT AND IT PUZZLINGLY SEEMS HIS ATTENTION NOT DRAWN BACK TO IT.

Posted on twitter after reading about the company who produced the CEOP logo that this design was made 2006 and although a conspiracy too far the design features a keyhole with its reminder of a certain eye defect.

Can't post but please google image CEOP logos to see the coloboma like design in the broken circle and also there is another logo of a stick person holding an eye.

Sorry to post but the date being discussed on this thread TOO coincidental imo.

All very intriguing to me considering the year 2006.


It all fits, doesn't it?

The fact that the Monday,  30 April,  was glossed over at every opportunity suggests to me something unexpected rather than pre-planned happened that day. If it was pre-planned you can bet a full and oft-repeated itinerary for Monday would have been prepared and delivered.  The silence surrounding the day suggests an unexpected shock happened - a spanner in the works.

But were those 'works' a government false flag or a private endeavor between a small group of individuals with their own agenda?

Just musing thoughts,  as ever.
The thing is that it still does not preclude a plan that was in place prior to that holiday.
Let's imagine someone came up with a money making scheme or a ruse to introduce a previously unacceptable idea to the populace, and plans were put in place to have a small child ( pretty, blonde, etc) go missing. She is to be spirited away in broad daylight from under her respectable, professional parents' noses.No blame attached to them. Think the possible planting of a man taking photos of children on a beach before the arrival of the McCanns. I feel the plan was to take place at the start of the holiday as they would all be unfamiliar with the resort and IF a sub was used she would only need to have been seen once or twice not all week.
Then imagine it all goes horribly wrong.

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Re: CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007

Post  candyfloss on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:27 am

We are veering off topic again and discussing various theories.  Please stick to the wayback machine discussion of trying to verify.

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Post  Jellybot on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:30 am

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Andrew wrote:Last post from me tonight, but this again is what I find really interesting. 

As 95% of the people here have been banned from over there, for either opposing dictatorial views and / or challenging prominent posters / not following the party line etc.. Then why all of a sudden when something like the WB / Ceop, which is potentially absolute dynamite comes on board they invite a free for all.

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It is indeed most peculiar. Controlling information flow? Rooting out what people might know? Playing games to create 'confusion'?

Having eliminated those who asked awkward questions and might genuinely be going somewhere and getting to the sensitive issues,  then open up the discussion to can root out anyone else who might know too much or might become a threat?

Or something.
I don't think it is as sinister as that. There are only a handful of remaining  posters over there with multiple socks talking to themselves, if they hadn't opened it up they would have been unable to contribute anything of value to this technical discussion. The best TB came up with was a spoof that rather shot himself in the foot (hence the holiday)
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Re: CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007

Post  Dee Coy on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:32 am

@chirpy. This would certainly fit in with any Ceop agenda, eg microchipping, with was, I believe, a pet fave wish of the Labour government at the time.

But if Madeleine died as a result of an unexpected accident, the government plan went wrong, would we not expect to see genuine outrage and grief from the parents? Which I don't believe we did, or at least, not for a prolonged period of time. They looked to have been grief stricken only for a couple of days, imo.

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Re: CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007

Post  Guest on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:38 am

I'm going to put a long letter together to WB (they are clearly not responding to e-mails). It will be tomorrow at the earliest (I don't have time to do it today). I will write it on company headed notepaper and use my personal credentials. And I will ask specific, technical questions about the WB machine and how it works, not mentioning any specific sites in particular. Maybe if they receive a calm, polite, technical enquiry, they might just respond.

Does anyone have any particular questions they would like addressed? I can put those in, if I can make them non-CEOP specific.

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Post  Dee Coy on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:38 am

candyfloss wrote:We are veering off topic again and discussing various theories.  Please stick to the wayback machine discussion of trying to verify.

Apologies, Candyfloss. But we seem to be going round in circles with the technicalities of the crawler dates. To me, it is plain that for the 30 April to be captured with the McCann page in situ then it must have existed then.

I do wonder if examining the reason why CEOP had access to that information then may be the way forward? A discussion of possible motives and scenarios as to their involvement?

Perhaps we could have a split-away thread to examine these theories away from the technical WBM thread?

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Post  Freedom on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:40 am

I think that this is a suitable existing topic for theories.

http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t771-why-such-a-rubbish-story
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Post  Guest on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:40 am

candyfloss wrote:We are veering off topic again and discussing various theories.  Please stick to the wayback machine discussion of trying to verify.

I agree; I'm waiting for those technical experts to explain why Dr Roberts is wrong...... Shouldn't have to wait too long, they need to come up with something!

DDL:- "I wonder was RH the man PeterMac had asked to look into this? If so, I'd believe him" Huge leap to that conclusion the Lecturer could be anybody claiming to be anything, the Wayback thread is full of them.

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Post  Guest on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:41 am

Dee Coy wrote:
I do wonder if examining the reason why CEOP had access to that information then may be the way forward? A discussion of possible motives and scenarios as to their involvement?

Perhaps we could have a split-away thread to examine these theories away from the technical WBM thread?

Sounds like a plan.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:49 am

Dee Coy wrote:@chirpy. This would certainly fit in with any Ceop agenda,  eg microchipping, with was, I believe, a pet fave wish of the Labour government at the time.

But if Madeleine died as a result of an unexpected accident, the government plan went wrong, would we not expect to see genuine outrage and grief from the parents?  Which I don't believe we did, or at least, not for a prolonged period of time. They looked to have been grief stricken only for a couple of days, imo.
I agree but what if she wasn't theirs? Or not really loved? Or the accident was of their own doing? Or she had been sedated in preparation for the plan.
I am also not sure if she would have to have actually been present when the pretendy daylight abduction was to have happened. 2 parents screaming "where is my child?" but no child seen in the arms of a stranger. 
Sorry CF. Realise it is OT but hoping you will split these comments as has been suggested.

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Post  Guest on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:50 am

Hongkong Phooey wrote:He claimed to be a lecturer in comp sci and data mining, most lecturers I know don't know their a*se from their elbow! Apologies to any lecturers looking in who are experts in their subject. I think the guy was a wum.

There's a few Richard Henshaws on Linkedin, who are in the IT Industry, but none listed as lecturers. Of course he's maybe sensible enough to not use his real name on a forum. I bet there's a few pros had fun looking up Dr Resistor on Linkedin. Laughing

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:55 am

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Dee Coy wrote:@chirpy. This would certainly fit in with any Ceop agenda,  eg microchipping, with was, I believe, a pet fave wish of the Labour government at the time.

But if Madeleine died as a result of an unexpected accident, the government plan went wrong, would we not expect to see genuine outrage and grief from the parents?  Which I don't believe we did, or at least, not for a prolonged period of time. They looked to have been grief stricken only for a couple of days, imo.
I agree but what if she wasn't theirs? Or not really loved? Or the accident was of their own doing? Or she had been sedated in preparation for the plan.
I am also not sure if she would have to have actually been present when the pretendy daylight abduction was to have happened. 2 parents screaming "where is my child?" but no child seen in the arms of a stranger. 
Sorry CF. Realise it is OT but hoping you will split these comments as has been suggested.

Can you please stop commenting here then and carry on where Freedom posted the link.  It is a huge job splitting and reading each post and I am too busy to do it at the moment.  Please no more comments of this nature here, keep it in Discussion - thanks.

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Post  Freedom on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 11:56 am

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Post  Mimi on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 12:43 pm

Might it be a good idea to start a thread about EVERYTHING that happened on 30th April 2007, having a title that doesn`t suggest IT and WBM ?

For instance - KM taking Madeleine out of creche at 3.25pm.
Include all info from statements for that day
Include any other news items for that day

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Post  poster on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 12:47 pm

froggy wrote:I've been thinking about Mr Henshaw's last post and the extraordinary mention of GCHQ and MI5, completely out of the blue.
Either he was a short-lived WUM or has inside knowledge that he was trying to pass on without exposing his identiy.

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Detective Amaral also talks about high level political interference and M15 being there as well AFAIK so this theory is based on what the detective working on the case thought. And he must have seen/found evidence for that to have believe it.
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Post  chirpyinsect on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 12:50 pm

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froggy wrote:I've been thinking about Mr Henshaw's last post and the extraordinary mention of GCHQ and MI5, completely out of the blue.
Either he was a short-lived WUM or has inside knowledge that he was trying to pass on without exposing his identiy.

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Detective Amaral also talks about high level political interference and M15 being there as well AFAIK so this theory is based on what the detective working on the case thought. And he must have seen/found evidence for that to have believe it.
I took from Mr Henshaw that he knew little of the case but was assuming interference by agencies and didn't want involved further given he had perhaps used his real name.
But then I want him to be correct so admit to bias.

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Post  poster on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 12:58 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
poster wrote:
froggy wrote:I've been thinking about Mr Henshaw's last post and the extraordinary mention of GCHQ and MI5, completely out of the blue.
Either he was a short-lived WUM or has inside knowledge that he was trying to pass on without exposing his identiy.

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Detective Amaral also talks about high level political interference and M15 being there as well AFAIK so this theory is based on what the detective working on the case thought. And he must have seen/found evidence for that to have believe it.
I took from Mr Henshaw that he knew little of the case but was assuming interference by agencies and didn't want involved further given he had perhaps used his real name.
But then I want him to be correct so admit to bias.

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I think he sounded reasonably genuine. In any case we all KNOW that there was very high level support for the McCanns from an early stage. It's documented in Kate's book. You don't get Clarence Mitchell flying out if you are just a couple of dodgy doctors whose daughter had an accident on holiday. With all that high level support M15 are highly likely to be on the case too.

Hardly a conspiracy. It's documented.

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Post  poster on Sun 28 Jun 2015, 1:15 pm

What is also indisputable FACT is that Jim Gamble, who was head of CEOP at the time of the hotly disputed 30 April 2007 screen grab of the CEOP Madeleine McCann page, was and indeed (at least until very recently) still is an ARDENT supporter of the McCann's and their abduction story. To the extent of dissing on twitter those who pull holes in the McCann story.

Hardly professional behaviour given that the McCann's eldest daughter 'disappeared' in the most suspicious circumstances imaginable.

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I think what might be helpful in the light of the WB machine evidence would be to take a closer look at the early posters that were allegedly printed out on an Ocean Club printer. There are lengthy threads on CMoMM about this subject. I think nanny Amy Tierney is said to have printed them out on an OC printer. But there is speculation that the computer supposedly used would not have printed out that type of paper? And the computer disappeared off to France, I do believe. Bottom line - was it even possible that all those posters were printed out that night at OC? Or could they have been printed out earlier that week, for instance? Or have been brought out by someone that week (Murat, say?) Or even have been brought out by a member of TM or their entourage from the UK in their holiday baggage?

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