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Post  poster on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 1:48 pm

Rosa canina wrote:Hello Poster - yes, the McCanns and their multitude of laundering arrangements...!


(bet you a bottle of NZ Sav that Gerry has never operated a washing machine in his life)


Mrs 'wash-it-good' Kate's on film (Panorama documentary) dutifully pegging it in public :




With the Madonna blue sky behind her our Mrs Mop looks like a woeful Our Lady of the Laundry :

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Quite the camera angle, must've been kneeling...

Indeed. But Russell makes quite a thing about putting dirty washing in the washing machine in his apartment! I think he even indignantly claims he knows how to operate a washing machine in one of his rogatories. I presume that the thrust of the question was  about whether he actually turned on the washing machine at the time or turned it on later. I wonder if the machine was a washer-dryer as it would have taken quite some time to dry  bedding etc.

Funny how the McCanns on Saturday after the alleged abduction elected to give some of the dirty clothes to the Ocean Club laundry rather than wash them themselves.

Then of course we have Kate's account of how she asked for maintenance men to come to the apartment earlier in the week to show her how to use the washing machine. This is another of those strange additions to the narrative that you have to wonder why she included it?

Rather like Monday - she writes nothing about the activities of the day. Nothing about how the children were settling into the routine. Nothing about what she and Gerry did that day. The only thing she records about Monday daytime is that she and Fiona made their first 'foray' to Baptista supermarket to stock up on 'essentials'. Given that Kate tells us that Gerry had already made a visit there the day before to pick up food for breakfasts and lunches it seems a bit strange that there was already a need for 'essentials' by the following day.
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Post  poster on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 2:16 pm

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Freedom wrote:That is the waffling whining rubbish she came out with.


OMG - listen to what Kate says at around the 1.42 mark. The 'somebody who knows something' is not the person who 'took Madeleine' but someone on the periphery....

What a gaff....

Also notice Gerry's expression - especially if the slow down the footage. Priceless!

This and very many other things said by the McCanns and their friends makes me believe that they are desperate to find out who saw anything incriminating. IMO they know who 'took Madeleine' but they want to find out who else might have seen or heard the person/people who took her?

Remember they also requested that fellow holiday-makers that week send in photographs and any footage taken during that week.

We know that a number of holiday makers saw/heard things that were suspicious. Some of the rogatories from people who would be important eye-witnesses are not in the public domain.

Off the top of my head we have:

1. Mrs Fenn - heard screaming coming from apartment 5A for over an hour on Tuesday evening - the noise intensified and then stopped very abruptly when someone entered or exited by the patio doors. She considered it consistent with a four-year-olds voice (in other words, not the twins).
2. Nigel Foster - a fellow holiday-maker from Southampton - spoke to members of the group who were watching a mini-tennis game in which Nigel's four year old daughter was participating. There are conflicting accounts of what was said but we know that someone was video-recording Nigel's daughter playing mini tennis. Nigel approached the group and spoke to them. His rogatory is missing from the file. This was on Thursday morning.
3. Mrs Fenn's niece saw a suspicious-looking blond man exiting from a garden gate nearby the apartment as she sat on the veranda of her Aunt's apartment on Thursday afternoon. She gives a very clear and detailed description of the man who was blond of Scandinavian appearance. Kate in her book gives no description or e-fit of a blond man.
4. The Jensen sisters give an account of two blond men acting suspiciously on the balcony of a nearby apartment (empty 5C perhaps?) on Thursday afternoon. Kate in her book appears to morph these blond sightings into one and the picture given in  her book is of a very dark man of North African appearance.

IMO all these sightings are significant. Both Kate and Fiona are rude to Mrs Fenn, which suggests she is an important eye-witness. Kate in her book gives a description of the conversation that took place between Nigel and members of the group which I think casts the members of the TM group in a suspicious light. I think that Kate has done her trick of putting  words into other people's mouths here. I would love to read Nigel's account of the incident because I suspect it would be incriminating. Of note, both Russell and Matt also mention this incident and Russell goes on and on  about it at great length so it is clearly highly sensitive. Despite three eye-witnesses (at least  - there may have been others that are not on record) seeing blond men acting suspiciously Kate does not include a single picture of a blond man in her book.

There are lies and then there are lies of omission.

And then there is Kate's book of 'the truth'.

Amen!
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Post  Crackfox on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 5:19 pm

Going back to the point you make about washing machines, Poster - it just occurred to me how odd it would be to put a washing machine on late at night in a small apartment after your child has been sick and you intend going out again after your child has settled. Surely the noise would have been a disturbance? It's bad enough that he saw fit to leave a seriously unwell child unattended so he could nip back to finish his meal but leaving a noisy electrical appliance on is unbelievable IMO. Regarding KM telling us she made her first trip to the supermarket on Monday, I read this as her clunky way of saying "I didn't go very far,honest - it was a really mundane day and I only went to the supermarket..." which in turn makes me think there was high drama and she went further afield than she's letting on.
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Post  TheTruthWillOut on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 6:36 pm

chrissie wrote:Kate is working in a Leicester hospital, in what capacity I don't know. But this is from a trusted friend who had to take her Mother for a hospital appointment. I can't say any more.

Interesting. I just checked and see she re-registered on the GMC with a licence in 2016 after registering without one between 2013-2016.
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Post  poster on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 9:18 pm

mumof6 wrote:I'm sure I saw somewhere that Amaral says that one of the mistakes made early in the investigation was that none of the Tapas 7 were photographed that night, so what they were wearing will never be known.

Of course it is a mistake only in retrospect, the proportion of missing children's cases where the parents are suspected to be involved is a tiny proportion of missing children's cases. Still, the police were suspicious of them within the first hour, so I suspect that another similar case in Portugal would have a very different police response.

Potentially, that could be making an innocent families ordeal much harder.

There are not many people who manage to make the world a worse place on quite such a scale.



I would put the McCanns and their friends in that category. In the majority of cases of missing children parents, family, friends or those known to the child have something to do with the disappearance. This is a statistical fact. Kate gives the statistics in her book.

I see nothing to suggest that Madeleine McCann's disappearance does not fit within the statistical norm.
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Post  poster on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 9:35 pm

Crackfox wrote:Going back to the point you make about washing machines, Poster - it just occurred to me how odd it would be to put a washing machine on late at night in a small apartment after your child has been sick and you intend going out again after your child has settled. Surely the noise would have been a disturbance? It's bad enough that he saw fit to leave a seriously unwell child unattended so he could nip back to finish his meal but leaving a noisy electrical appliance on is unbelievable IMO. Regarding KM telling us she made her first trip to the supermarket on Monday, I read this as her clunky way of saying "I didn't go very far,honest - it was a really mundane day and I only went to the supermarket..." which in turn makes me think there was high drama and she went further afield than she's letting on.

Not sure it was late at night and I think after Russell left Jane returned to the apartment and the (allegedly) sick child. But I do agree that putting the washing machine on when there is a sick child who needs to be settled seems a bit mad.

IMO I doubt their child was sick. Sounds like a really good excuse to:

1. Use the washing machine.
2. Have Russell and/or Jane away from the dinner table for most of that Thursday evening. (Look out? Emergency procedures? Trouble-shooting?)

I do agree with your comments about Monday being probably a little more drama-packed than a visit to the supermarket.

One really does have to deconstruct what TM say.

IMO as always!




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Post  Crackfox on Fri 06 Apr 2018, 10:44 pm

Totally agree - too much frenetic movement and strange behaviour all round.
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Post  poster on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 11:33 pm

Crackfox wrote:Totally agree - too much frenetic movement and strange behaviour all round.

Yes, confusion is good, remember? The more frenetic activity, the easier it is to create confusion and chaos and hide what is really going on. It creates a smokescreen. Having adults and children being ill creates a need for people to be in different places and different times away from the group. It also creates the need for frequent visits to apartments and for frequent washing.

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