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Post  Andrew on Thu 30 Jul 2015, 6:58 pm

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Post  Freedom on Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:24 pm

I'm sure that he wasn't the only one to have doubts about the Lee Rigby story.

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is - could it become a test case for other people / groups who don't believe official stories of one sort or another?
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Post  AndyB on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 7:18 am

Freedom wrote:I'm sure that he wasn't the only one to have doubts about the Lee Rigby story.

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is - could it become a test case for other people / groups who don't believe official stories of one sort or another?
I don't see it so much as a test case as the start of the government shutting down any kind of dissent on the internet. It starts with the more extreme stuff like CS then will be extended to things like UK Column and other alternative news sites before being extended further to comment sites such as this. Fortunately TPTB had a set back yesterday but its only a matter of time. I struggle to see the difference between Britain today and pre-nazi Germany; just replace "Muslim" and "Islam" with "Jew" and "Judaism" and we're right back there
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Post  chirpyinsect on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 9:55 am

The thing is CS was on a hiding to nothing either way. If he was telling the truth (and I have my own thoughts on this) he had to be stopped and if he was inventing it all he had to be stopped anyway as you can't go around saying the sort of stuff he did unless it can be substantiated.

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Post  Freedom on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 10:00 am

Me too, CI.

If he was knowingly making it all up, it was wicked behaviour but what if he wasn't?

I did see some of the photos he posted and, if they hadn't been tampered with in any way, they raised questions that needed to be answered.

However, we all know now (even if we didn't before) how easy it is to produce fake photos.
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Post  Andrew on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 10:05 am

Remember some time ago I inadvertently stumbled across his stuff on Lee Rigby. I must admit, some of it did sound very plausible and certainly got you thinking.

Until or if I look into it further, then will remain on the fence with this one.

Most bizarre though.
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Post  AndyB on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 10:30 am

chirpyinsect wrote: The thing is CS was on a hiding to nothing either way. If he was telling the truth ( and I have my own thoughts on this) he had to be stopped and if he was inventing it all he had to be stopped anyway as you can't go around saying the sort of stuff he did unless it can be substantiated.

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Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

By the rationale in bold above we should be prevented from saying things like Madeleine died in 5a, the parents were involved in her disappearance, and there is a paedophile ring at the heart of government. None can be established but all are sincerely and genuinely held beliefs by a number of people. Freedom of speech includes, or should include, the right to hold and impart controversial views that others may find offensive. Don't forget there was a time that your views on what happened to Madeleine (whatever they are) were very much in a minority and would have caused a great deal of offence to other less enlightened people
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Post  AndyB on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 10:33 am

Freedom wrote:If he was knowingly making it all up, it was wicked behaviour but what if he wasn't?
There is a third alternative: That he genuinely believes what he writes but in the case of Lee Rigby is simply wrong. Should sharing a wrongly held but sincere view be a crime?
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 10:45 am

AndyB wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:
AndyB wrote:
Freedom wrote:I'm sure that he wasn't the only one to have doubts about the Lee Rigby story.

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is - could it become a test case for other people / groups who don't believe official stories of one sort or another?
I don't see it so much as a test case as the start of the government shutting down any kind of dissent on the internet. It starts with the more extreme stuff like CS then will be extended to things like UK Column and other alternative news sites before being extended further to comment sites such as this. Fortunately TPTB had a set back yesterday but its only a matter of time. I struggle to see the difference between Britain today and pre-nazi Germany; just replace "Muslim" and "Islam" with "Jew" and "Judaism" and we're right back there
The thing is CS was on a hiding to nothing either way. If he was telling the truth ( and I have my own thoughts on this) he had to be stopped and if he was inventing it all he had to be stopped anyway as you can't go around saying the sort of stuff he did unless it can be substantiated.
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Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

By the rationale in bold above we should be prevented from saying things like Madeleine died in 5a, the parents were involved in her disappearance, and there is a paedophile ring at the heart of government. None can be established but all are sincerely and genuinely held beliefs by a number of people. Freedom of speech includes, or should include, the right to hold and impart controversial views that others may find offensive. Don't forget there was a time that your views on what happened to Madeleine (whatever they are) were very much in a minority and would have caused a great deal of offence to other less enlightened people
No AndyB you can't say that it is libel.  It is NOT A FACT and you have no proof.  What you do have are your ideas and how you interpret things to do with the case, as do many who do not believe - therefore it is your opinion and must be said to be your opinion, not said as a fact, unless you have links and absolute proof to back it up.

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Post  chirpyinsect on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 11:00 am

There is Freedom of Speech but it surely carries responsibilities too. I have no idea if CS sincerely believes his theory on LR, nor whether it has any basis in fact as I haven't studied much about it.
What I was trying to say is that IF he is telling the truth, TPTB cannot allow him to continue as their false flag operation ( if that is what he is claiming) would be exposed.
IF he is mistaken then the law must be used to protect Lee's loved ones and to stop CS from besmirching his memory.
You are correct though that the general consensus has shifted in the MM case and our opinions on whether the parents are complicit have become much more accepted. However, I try to be very careful to say that what I believe happened to her is only my opinion.
CS is probably utterly sincere in his beliefs so I will go and familiarise myself with his evidence for that.

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Post  AndyB on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 12:11 pm

What on earth has libel got to do with it? It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, which is about Chris Spivey being subject to criminal proceedings (libel is a civil offence) and possibly jail for espousing his theory that Lee Rigby's murder was a false flag operation. ChirpyInsect appears to be accepting of this because "he had to be stopped [...] as you cant go around saying the sort of stuff he did unless it can be substantiated". This implies that anyone who voices an opinion that cannot be substantiated (or unless there is absolute proof to use your terminology) should be treated as a criminal. My problem with this is where do you draw the line? What about holocaust deniers? People who say that anyone who does not share their faith is an infidel and should be stoned to death? People who suggest that austerity is not the correct economic policy? People who question the official line on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? Ultimately it boils down to: "we need to silence people who's view I personally find unacceptable. Their freedom of speech has to be curtailed to protect my sensibilities"
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Post  AndyB on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 12:13 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:IF he is mistaken then the law must be used to protect Lee's loved ones and to stop CS from besmirching his memory.
What about all the bloggers who wrote the completely unsubstantiated and unprovable claims that Leon Brittan was a paedophile. Should they now be in court to protect Leon's loved ones? If not why not?
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Post  chirpyinsect on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 12:26 pm

I'm not getting into a debate about FOS issues but I repeat it comes with responsibility attached.
I am sure if someone was going around saying I was a murderer or a child molester, I would use the law to silence them because I know it would be a lie.
I have no idea or opinion on the LR issue because I haven't looked into it.
I was only trying to say that of course he would be arrested and made an example of IF he is correct in his assumptions. That is the way they work in the corridors of power.IMO.
There are other ways in which whistleblowers are silenced too but that is a conspiracy theory all of its own.

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Post  Guest on Fri 31 Jul 2015, 3:24 pm

But this report does not tell us what he was charged with! Making obnoxious comments and repeating public-domain information are not criminal offences. He's up before a criminal court so it cannot be simply for expressing an opinion on the internet, no matter how outrageous or offensive. It's either something to do with the actual harassment of the Rigby family, or he's been charged under the Computer Misuse Act. Mrs Rigby says he's re-published photographs that he should never have had access to, and altered them; both of these would come under the CMA, and it is quite right that he should be prosecuted under these circumstances. But that has nothing to do with his FoS which is not, as yet, a criminal offence in this country.

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Post  Freedom on Sat 01 Aug 2015, 8:12 am

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Post  Guest on Sat 01 Aug 2015, 12:47 pm

Good..glad he's been convicted, he's a foul mouthed muppet imo, he was actually publishing the home address of Lee Rigby's mother and sister and I'm sorry but I cannot see any conspiracy with this horrible case, there were multiple witnesses, the murderers admitted what they had done and why and as for people claiming it was a ruse to demonise islam, I have to disagree, the govt and TPTB etc have gone out of their way to ensure that only good publicity is generally given out about the muslim community..lets face it, take Rotherham as an example, that was covered up for years to avoid naming the perpetrators in order to conceal their ethnicity and religious background.

Also, as I have said previously, not everything bad that happens is a so-called "false flag" sadly there are many mad, bad and dangerous people out there with a multitude of agendas, but the current trend for political correctness at all costs has led to the banning of the confederate flag because one vile, deranged individual who happened to be white shot 9 people who happened to be black, yet a white man is murdered in broad daylight in the UK by two black religious fanatics and it's claimed that it didn't happen and the victim didn't even exist! Sheesh, I despair sometimes, I really do Sad

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Post  Guest on Sat 01 Aug 2015, 2:19 pm

He can claim anything he likes, that's not a criminal offence in itself (even though it's horrible and upsetting). But he crossed the line between giving his opinions, and harassment.

'People can and do post all kinds of comments on social media and are not prosecuted for them, but in this case we were satisfied that the posts crossed the line into criminal behaviour targeted at the Rigby family.

THAT's why he got convicted. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.

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Post  Andrew on Sat 01 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

His website appears to have been shut down anyway.
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Post  Freedom on Sat 01 Aug 2015, 5:31 pm

Yes, there's no sign of it. I wonder if he had any choice in the matter.

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Chris Spivey. This is the last post for this website. After midnight tonight this site will be deleted as will the Christopher D Spivey FB page. I have told you for ...
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His Twitter account is still there at the moment.

https://twitter.com/chrisspivey3


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A travesty of justice...

Post  Rosa canina on Sun 02 Aug 2015, 7:49 am

I'm gutted for him, I really am -

- I've grown to rate Chris Spivey highly - hectic language and all...

...a bright, funny, passionate and kind man -

(and an English bogan, too - I love bogans)

- with a very sharp eye for nonsense.


His was another court case I'd wanted to attend -

(Brenda's inquest was the other)

I'm really sorry I couldn't be there to say "Thank you for trying".


I wonder if his site has been saved on Wayback?
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Post  Freedom on Sun 02 Aug 2015, 9:31 am

Had to look up what a bogan is!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan

Like a lot of people, Mr S is a Marmite character - loved and hated in equal measures.

P.S. I made the mistake of glancing at JATYK2 last night and their topic about Chris Spivey. Goodness knows why I feel the need to explain myself to BB1 and Co but I will just clarify that I don't condone the harassment for which he has been convicted; there is no excuse for that.

However, as regards the discrepancies surrounding the case - and those of any other - he is entitled to state his opinion.

I think that he has seriously lost the plot in recent times - yes, I do mean his thoughts on Brenda Leyland - but that doesn't discount everything he's ever written.
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Post  Freedom on Sat 15 Aug 2015, 11:51 am

His site is back up again.
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Post  Andrew on Sat 21 Jan 2017, 5:29 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142824/Conspiracy-theorist-said-Lee-Rigby-s-murder-staged.html

A conspiracy theorist troll who claimed Lee Rigby's murder was carried out to 'whip up racial hatred' has lost his appeal against a conviction for harassing the soldier's family.
Christopher Spivey, 54, claimed the murder of Fusilier Rigby, who was hacked to death by terrorists in London in May 2013, was 'staged'.
Last week the former builder lost an appeal against a suspended six month jail sentence handed down at Chelmsford Magistrates' Court.


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Post  unreorganised on Sat 21 Jan 2017, 7:20 pm

Nick Kollerstrom has made similar claims on Richard D Hall's show without, as far as I am aware, attracting similar action. Possibly because his delivery is what I would describe as "incoherent". I'm not advocating style over substance by any means, but he's a terrible orator and often doesn't even seem convinced by his own arguments.
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