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Post  candyfloss on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 9:34 pm

Now its a top jockey - tomorrow front page of Mirror.


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Post  candyfloss on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 9:36 pm

Tomorrows papers MP Clive Lewis being investigated


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Post  candyfloss on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 9:52 pm

Really getting beyond ridiculous now...


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Post  Freedom on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 10:02 pm

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Post  candyfloss on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 10:07 pm

Oh my goodness.............


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Post  Mimi on Fri 03 Nov 2017, 11:10 pm

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Mimi wrote:I`m glad Fallon has gone but not for the reasons given.

Would you like to elaborate on that Mimi?

He was our constituency MP a long time ago; the last Tory one actually.

He said the UK would back the USA in bombing Assad without doing his homework. IMO he is either stupid or ignorant if he believes the US rhetoric about Assad.

Also he is willing to sell arms to the Saudis and the Israelis. But then most of the Tory government support the USA, the Saudis and the Israelis - as we have seen by Theresa May recently giving Netanyahu a welcome to celebrate the centenary of the Balfour Declaration, which IMO is not something to celebrate.

However his replacement has a lot to be desired it seems, i.e. no experience, especially of the military.

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Post  Freedom on Sat 04 Nov 2017, 8:46 am

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bbc-accused-of-ignoring-chris-evans-sexual-harassment-claims/ar-AAuq2rK?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

This seems a bit unlikely. Was there never anyone else around to witness these incidents - he supposedly walked around in the nude!!!
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Post  candyfloss on Sat 04 Nov 2017, 10:12 pm

WTF Shocked


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Post  Freedom on Sun 05 Nov 2017, 9:54 am

No mention of child porn (which is probably what many people would assume it was) or if it was actually illegal porn.

It certainly shouldn't have been on his parliamentary computer though - IF it ever was.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 05 Nov 2017, 10:56 am

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 05 Nov 2017, 12:26 pm

Damien Green, note it says 'extreme' pornography Shocked

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/deputy-prime-minister-damian-green-denies-police-claims-extreme-pornography-found-ministerial-1645945



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However, in what appears to be a cover-up, Bob Quick, a former assistant commissioner at the Metropolitan Police, said he was forced to step down in 2009 before he had a chance to report the pornography to parliamentary authorities.

Responding to the reports in a statement Mr Green said he was the victim of "an unscrupulous character assassination."
"This story is completely untrue and comes from a tainted and untrustworthy source.
"I've been aware for some years that the discredited former assistant commissioner Bob Quick has tried to cause me political damage by leaking false information about the raid on my parliamentary office.
"No newspaper has reported this story due to the complete lack of any evidence. The police have never suggested to me that inappropriate material was found on my Parliamentary computer.
"Nor did I have a 'private' computer, as has been claimed. The allegations about the material and the computer, now nine years old, are false. They amount to little more than an unscrupulous character assassination."








Bob Quick was forced to stand down before he had a chance to report it....... WTF!!!!!

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Post  Freedom on Sun 05 Nov 2017, 12:36 pm

This is the reason given at the time for his resignation.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/09/bob-quick-terror-raids-leak
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Post  candyfloss on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 4:16 pm

I have just this minute been reading of this man's death, and it is truly awful and sad. 

This naming and shaming is getting out of control now.  Trial by media etc.  It should be done behind closed doors to the party and then police and only when it comes to a trial should the person be named.

People should take note everywhere, on twitter, on the forums etc.  it is not good to name and shame, it can lead to disastrous consequences, and of course did with the very sad death of Brenda Leyland.

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Post  Freedom on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 6:27 pm

I thought that this was a spoof as I saw it first in The Daily Beast but it's in The Mail too!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5061999/Mariah-Carey-s-former-security-guard-threatens-sue-her.html
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 9:38 pm

Well he's speaking his mind!


Tory MP blames female journalists for Westminster sex scandal and describes harassment victims as 'wilting flowers'


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/veteran-tory-mp-blames-female-journalists-for-westminster-sex-scandal-and-describes-victims-of-a3687716.html

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Post  Freedom on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 9:45 pm

This was posted originally on the Feminist topic but it's relevant here too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5030061/This-harassment-hysteria-proportion.html
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 9:48 pm

Yet another one a couple of hours ago...


Labour MP accuses Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour


Kerry McCarthy reveals correspondence that shows she has received unwanted attention from fellow party MP since mid-1990s

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/labour-mp-accuses-kelvin-hopkins-of-inappropriate-behaviour

ETA this is yet another accusation against him, he was suspended last week

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Post  Freedom on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 1:43 pm

I've never heard of this person but I agree with what he says about careers being destroyed by gossip.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/jeremy-piven-instagram-sexual-allegations-response-denial-a8048511.html

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Post  Freedom on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:56 pm

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Post  Freedom on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 12:07 pm

It's interesting that Woody Allen's career wasn't ended by the allegations against him. Perhaps it's because most people, me included, don't believe them.

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 4:16 pm

More coming to light re Damian Green, which he originally denied, now the Police Chief actually knew about porn found on his computer.




Police chief 'was told of Damian Green pornography claims'



            
       
A former Scotland Yard chief was aware pornography had allegedly been found on Damian Green's office computer during a 2008-9 police probe, he has said.
Sir Paul Stephenson, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner between 2009-11, said he was briefed about the claims but regarded them as a "side issue".
The allegations were first made public last week by former Met Assistant Commissioner, Bob Quick.
First Secretary of State Mr Green said his accusers had "ulterior motives".
Mr Green, who is Prime Minister Theresa May's second-in-command, said: "I reiterate that no allegations about the presence of improper material on my parliamentary computers have ever been put to me or to the parliamentary authorities by the police.

"I can only assume that they are being made now, nine years later, for ulterior motives."
But Mr Quick, who led the investigation into Home Office leaks which saw Mr Green's Commons office being searched, says pornography was found on a computer there.
Both Sir Paul and Mr Quick gave evidence to a Cabinet Office inquiry into Mr Green's conduct last week, led by senior Cabinet Office official Sue Gray.
The inquiry, which is being held behind closed doors, is also looking at a separate claim that Mr Green, made inappropriate advances towards a female Conservative activist in 2015. He also denies that allegation.
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Speaking to the BBC, Sir Paul said he thought the claim about Mr Green "wasn't relevant to the criminal inquiry" into Home Office leaks, which began in October 2008.
Mr Green's home and office were searched as part of that probe and he was briefly arrested in November that year, but the then shadow immigration minister faced no further action.
A review of the police inquiry found that "less intrusive methods" could have been used.
Referring to the pornography allegations, Sir Paul said: "I regret it's in the public domain.
"There was no criminality involved, there were no victims, there was no vulnerability and it was not a matter of extraordinary public interest."
Sir Paul added that it was not Scotland Yard's role to "police the workplace".
The Met declined to say whether it was helping the Cabinet Office investigate the claims, but said in a statement: "As this is not our inquiry the MPS does not believe it is appropriate to comment upon it."
     http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41958392

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 4:22 pm

The BBC has this article asking the question


Was there really a time sexual harassment was ‘acceptable’?

By Dr Catherine Haddon Institute for Government

  • 12 November 2017
                

   
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It has been said that attitudes towards sexual harassment have changed in recent years. But research into the experiences of women in government suggests it is the expectation they will put up with it that has shifted.
"The culture has changed over the years, what might have been acceptable 15, 10 years ago is clearly not acceptable now."
This comment, made by Sir Michael Fallon after his resignation as defence secretary, is very revealing.
First, for raising the question "Acceptable to whom?", and second for highlighting the culture and employment practices at Westminster lag behind those of many other workplaces.
Party leaders, who have agreed a new complaints procedure amid multiple allegations of sexual misconduct, might find it informative to look at the experience of women in Whitehall - another part of government.

Institutional sexism

During interviews for a history of women in the civil service, we found many who spoke of experiences of sexual discrimination and harassment - by both civil servants and ministers - 30, 40 or 50 years ago.
It wasn't acceptable to them back then either.
What was different was that a culture existed where they were just expected to put up with it.
This, they said, had changed only in the past 20 or so years.
One interviewee described how women were held back from career-advancing positions close to ministers because of fears those ministers might have affairs with them.
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We were told about more senior colleagues who were known to make unwanted sexual advances and should be avoided.
One woman described how she had been sexually harassed by her line manager in the early 1980s, but did not make a formal complaint.
She said: "I just told my colleagues, and everybody said, 'Oh yeah, he does that to everybody,' and just dismissed it and laughed it off."
That, she said, was not how she would respond today.
Another senior civil servant recalled the Ministry of Defence when she joined in 1975 as a place where "institutional sexism bordering on sexual harassment was the norm".
There were other kinds of discrimination to contend with: bosses who didn't want to employ women who might get married and go off to have children; bosses who didn't like promoting women generally.

Power relationships

It's worth remembering that those we interviewed often stressed that these experiences had not dominated their career.
They had much to say in praise of their jobs and the people they worked with.
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But they did remember such occasions, brought them up without being prompted, and could often recall specific instances vividly.
These were memories that stuck.
The stories we heard, though historical, are relevant to the current debate on sexual harassment at Westminster because both speak to the kinds of power relationships that can occur in and around government and politics.
There were also wider factors, beyond harassment and sexism, which are relevant to the question of Parliament today.
Interviewees also often talked about how important patronage could be to promotion: having a boss who championed you, being known and praised by a minister.
That culture adds to the pressure on people not to complain.

While there is undoubtedly still work to do, the civil service started to tackle issues of equal pay, discrimination and sexual harassment many years ago.
It has a stated aim to be one of the UK's most inclusive employers.
There are many reasons why Parliament lags behind, not least the way in which staff are employed by parties, or individual MPs.
Complaints are often handled by those who may be responsible for career advancement (party headquarters), keeping their members in line (the Whips' Office), or minimising scandals (communications officers).
This wouldn't happen in many other sectors.
MPs are also not employed by the party or by Parliament - they are voted into and out of office.
The final arbiter on whether they have done anything wrong is their fellow MPs.
In 2016, a new power for MPs to be "recalled" was introduced, but it takes a high threshold to be initiated.
Parliament has made efforts on representation of women MPs and has brought in some new employment practices.
For example, since becoming Speaker, John Bercow has introduced a creche and reduced the amount of late-night sittings.
The current crisis may lead to the development of an independent body to investigate and deal with complaints about Parliament.
It can learn from how harassment is handled in many other sectors.
The question of how to change its culture is perhaps more difficult.


Dr Catherine Haddon is a senior fellow and resident historian at the Institute for Government, which describes itself as a think tank "working to make government more effective".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41885963

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Post  Freedom on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 12:14 am

candyfloss wrote:I have just this minute been reading of this man's death, and it is truly awful and sad. 

This naming and shaming is getting out of control now.  Trial by media etc.  It should be done behind closed doors to the party and then police and only when it comes to a trial should the person be named.

People should take note everywhere, on twitter, on the forums etc.  it is not good to name and shame, it can lead to disastrous consequences, and of course did with the very sad death of Brenda Leyland.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/wife-found-wales-assembly-member-carl-sargeant-hanged-at-home-inquest-told/ar-BBEUBAL?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
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Post  Freedom on Sat 18 Nov 2017, 12:02 pm

I'll put this one here though it relates to consenting adults. Sometimes people who profess to be very anti-gay have secrets that they didn't want anyone to know.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gop-state-legislator-quits-after-having-sex-with-a-man/ar-BBF5L7n?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout
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