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Babes in the Woods murders

Post  Freedom on Tue 10 May 2016, 9:56 pm

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Sat 04 Jun 2016, 9:38 am

Grim stories there, Andrew.

Strange that The Sun names the people allegedly involved while The Mirror doesn't.

It's hard to understand how in the 21st century a child can disappear for 11 years with apparently nobody noticing or doing anything about it.
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'Monster of Worcester' to be released

Post  Andrew on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 7:17 am

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 8:05 am

I do remember the case though it received scant coverage by today's standards.

I don't think that anyone guilty of anything as horrific as this could ever be considered safe to release.
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Post  Freedom on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 8:51 am

This is a case from the 1990s which haunted me at the time, thinking what it must have been like for a mother to return home and find her 7 year old son and his teenage babysitter dead in the most appalling circumstances.

I am thankful to learn belatedly that the killer is now dead.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12659529.Mother_returns_at_midnight_to_find_scene_of__apos_total_carnage_apos___Boy_and_babysitter_murdered/

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/1404322.double_child_killer_dies_in_jail/
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Post  Andrew on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 9:28 am

Never heard of that one either.

Horrific stuff.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 11:25 am

Yes, it was a well-known case.

It seemed like another instance where some local undesirables were fitted up in the police's understandable anxiety to solve a horrible crime.

P.S. I'm now reading the Mail article and Professor David Wilson, friend of Mark Williams-Thomas, is involved which inspires me with zero confidence.

Here is the link for the programme when it becomes available.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/interview-with-a-murderer?promo=coming_soon


It happened a month to the day after the disappearance of Genette Tate, another mystery that has yet to be resolved.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 12:42 pm

I've just watched the programme. I won't say much now to let people make up their own minds but there can be no secret that the person who may have killed Carl was and still is a nasty piece of work.

I had to laugh though when he told David Wilson that he's a nutcase who ought to see a psychiatrist!
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Post  Andrew on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 12:58 pm

I recorded it last night.

Will watch it soon.
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Post  joyce1938 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 5:41 pm

Yes freedom ,I sat and watched that too. I felt rather quickly he maybe a psyc. Wanted this programn to be made,and controlled it too .He reminded me of some of our parents that lost their daughter. he absalutly felt he was in control .And could lie so well too and feel like he was right. Good thing his first wife at the end told her truth,we sgould see him again ,no doubt in my mind .joyce1938
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Post  Andrew on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 5:49 pm

.... so who did kill Carl. Still not seen the doc and not heard of the case before until started the thread...
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Post  Freedom on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:09 pm

The man in the programme, Bert Spencer, was the original suspect but he was thought to have a cast-iron alibi. Four known criminals were later convicted of the murder but eventually cleared, though not before one of them had died in prison.

Spencer spent 14 years in prison for another murder a year later very near to the first one. The case against him is circumstantial and I don't suppose he will ever be charged with it.
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Post  Andrew on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:20 pm

Do you think Bert did it then.....
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Post  Freedom on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:28 pm

Only my opinion of course - but yes.
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Post  Andrew on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:39 pm

From what read about it (in a very short time), then he (Bert) does seem the prime suspect.
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Post  Freedom on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 9:42 pm

I don't understand the alibi issue. His secretary at first said that he had been in the hospital where he worked all day but later said that he could have left at some time without her knowing.  

However, he was an ambulance driver so why would it have been accepted originally that he was there all day?
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Post  joyce1938 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 11:28 pm

Yes he did admit that he took a lunch break ,I THINK freedom ,but he was having to rehash things . His first wife said it all ,and he had no real alibi for the times and he knew ,that she knew ,she spille the beans .So I think now he will have something more to answer to.The chap that did the programn pointed out so many things to him,,and he just kept looking him straight in the eyes that and was a bit threatening towards that chap . He sure did a good job on working out in each situation ,and questioned him over again . We shall hear more of this I think. joyce1938
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Post  Freedom on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:13 am

The murder though was somewhere around 4 p m - not in the lunch hour.
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The Louise Woodward case

Post  Freedom on Wed 06 Jul 2016, 9:39 am

I've been reminded of this case today with the way that the murder verdict on Oscar Pistorius looks as if it may be overturned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Woodward_case

There were absolute hysteria on the part of the British media when Louise was originally convicted of second-degree murder. They had all been painting a picture of her as an innocent abroad at the mercy of a corrupt legal system.

The conviction was later changed to involuntary manslaughter and Louise was freed.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 06 Jul 2016, 10:29 am

Sentences here of more than 20 years for another evil pair.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36722114#"
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Post  Andrew on Wed 06 Jul 2016, 10:36 am

Evil disgusting horrible pair. Rot in hell.

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A significant case review is being carried out into the circumstances leading up to Liam's death after a number of witnesses told the trial they had raised concerns about the toddler's health and wellbeing with social services.

... and will anything be done about it and will anyone be held accountable.

Of course they won't.
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The case of Poppi Worthington

Post  Andrew on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 4:47 pm

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