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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Guest on Sat 27 Jun 2015, 8:42 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
Don't Forget Madeleine wrote:
Freedom wrote:I thought that the law had been changed to cover cases like this where suspects blame each other.

PeterMac, can you assist please? I can't think of the wording.

I saw the original article on the Daily Mail last night but couldn't find it again this morning but found the Daily Mirror one this morning.  On the DM comments section people were responding with outrage that this ridiculous law opens a precedence for others to commit crimes and if 2 people were involved they can blame each other and literally get away with murder.

What a twisted, messed up PC country we live in when 2 evil criminals can do such an horrendous thing to a young innocent child and can just carry on as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, are able to walk among us and even get a job at a children's nursery or as a nanny having no criminal record on their CV.
Or 2 parents could each deny the death of their child and as long as neither broke the pact.....Wonder if that law applies in PT.

That was what I was alluding to chirpy but didn't want to make it too obvious.

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It was their holiday too!

Post  Freedom on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 9:13 am

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/baby-rescued-1km-out-to-sea-after-parents-forgot-about-her/ar-AAcxIFW?ocid=mailsignoutmd
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  dogs don't lie on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 11:27 am

You know, I had to read this THREE times yesterday to actually take it in, and the baby was handed straight back to the so-called mother!

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Child's body found in bag

Post  Guest on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 12:44 pm

This was on the same news site, I can't copy the computer-generated photo of the girl over, I don't know how to.  How sad and frightening that so many young children come to such a terrible and gruesome end:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mystery-of-young-girl-found-dead-in-bag/ar-AActVwT?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Police are trying to identify a mystery girl who was found dead in a plastic bag.

The child was discovered in the bag along a Boston Harbour shoreline last week but it is not known how she died, police said.

Suffolk County District Attorney Daniel Conley told a news conference on Deer Island that the girl's identity was unknown.

A computer-generated image of the child has been created by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Officials believe the brown-haired, brown-eyed youngster was about four-years-old.

Her body was found on 25 June inside a bag that also contained a black and white zebra-print blanket.

Authorities also released photos of the blanket and white leggings with black polka dots the girl was wearing.

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Post  Freedom on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 12:45 pm

I saw that. How the poor little soul hasn't been reported missing I don't know.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Dee Coy on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 10:19 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3149204/Criminologist-says-mystery-four-year-old-girl-washed-ashore-Deer-Island-probably-killed-FAMILY-MEMBER.html

Poor, poor little girl.

How can the Mail not fail to draw the parallels?

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 12:00 am

Horrible reading, but heck don't they emphasise on a family member Sad
R.I.P little one, hope those responsible are caught and locked up soon.

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Guest on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 2:28 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:Horrible reading, but heck don't they emphasise on a family member Sad
R.I.P little one, hope those responsible are caught and locked up soon.

I watch the late night USA real crime story programmes, and one I have seen a few times is a husband/father (Christian Longo) who killed his wife and 3 very young children because he got into such terrible debt and wanted to start a new life. The wife and children were found in separate suitcases stashed under a marina, the husband was long gone and was eventually found after some years living a new life and had fled to Cancun. I've found one of the internet links -

http://truecrimecases.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/murder-too-harrowing-to-believe.html




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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 2:35 pm

I watch a lot of these programmes on YouTube and I remember that one. 

It's the so-called nearest and dearest responsible in the majority of them.

Here's a bizarre case from the 1980s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EadgwUuyyV0
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Hundreds of police officers convicted in past three years

Post  candyfloss on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 10:09 am

Hundreds of police officers convicted in past three years

At least 309 police officers and police community support officers in the UK have been convicted of offences in the last three years, figures show.

The offences that led to convictions include sex crimes, assaults and possessing indecent images of children.

However, only 25 of the 45 forces gave figures to the Press Association after a Freedom of Information request.

A Home Office spokesman said measures had been introduced to improve standards of behaviour in the police.

The 20 forces that did not provide information either said they could not reveal the number of convictions because of the cost of retrieving the information, or did not respond to the request.




Police Scotland and the Police Service of Northern Ireland were among those not to provide the information.

Separate figures obtained from 18 forces showed that there are at least 295 officers and police community support officers (PCSOs) with convictions who are currently serving with the police.

'Appropriate action'

The Home Office spokesman said: "The vast majority of police officers in this country do their job honestly and with integrity. They put themselves in harm's way to protect the public.

"But the good work of the majority threatens to be damaged by a continuing series of events and revelations relating to police conduct.

"Over the last two years the Home Office has introduced a programme of measures to improve standards of behaviour in the police, including making the disciplinary system more independent and transparent through introducing hearings in public, preventing officers resigning or retiring to avoid dismissal, and - from next year - introducing legally qualified, independent chairs on misconduct hearing panels."

Police forces did not tell the Press Association the names of officers who had been involved in crimes, saying that it would breach data protection laws to identify them.

Among the forces to provide figures to the Press Association:
◾The Metropolitan Police, the UK's biggest force, said 178 police officers were convicted between 2012 and 31 March 2015 - while it refused the FoI request on costs grounds, it had already published this data. Of those, 54 were still serving, including 10 awaiting the conclusion of misconduct review hearings. Convictions in 2014, involving 46 officers, included two sexual offences, three thefts and 19 traffic offences.
◾Greater Manchester Police said 12 police officers and five PCSOs had been convicted since 2012. These include a male sergeant convicted of misconduct in public office, a male inspector convicted of fraud and a male PC convicted of possessing class B drugs, with other offences including perjury, theft and possession of offensive weapons. Five police officers and five PCSOs currently serving have previous convictions.
◾Devon and Cornwall Police said five police officers and five PCSOs had been convicted since 2012, with one officer convicted of possessing indecent images of children and two convicted of indecent exposure. A total of five had convictions committed before they were recruited.
◾Durham Constabulary said a male police constable was convicted of possessing indecent images of children in 2012 and that a male PCSO was convicted of common assault on a female member of the public while on duty in 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33635962

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Rachel Charles - an English girl murdered in the Algarve, 1990

Post  Rosa canina on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 5:22 am


(photograph snipped from the Daily Mail)


www.nickdavies.net/1993/08/.../kidnap-murder-and-justice-in-the-algarv

I've always found this a desperately sad case -

- her poor, poor mother.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 7:46 am

I'm probably having a senior moment but I don't remember hearing about this case before.

There's a May 2007 report from the Mail mentioning the McCann case briefly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453838/17-years-abduction-Algarve-victim-British.html

Interesting to see though that the media did not then think that the area was awash with paedophiles abducting children - there had been no cases for 17 years.

The last sentence though is a sign of what was to come.

"But the case was mired in claims of police incompetence and corruption".
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Guest on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 8:46 am

Yes, clearly that was published as a "bash the PJ" exercise. Very poor choice, though - and I can see why the McCanns didn't want to attach themselves to it. For starters, the kid was found dead (no money in that), not sexually abused (no paedophiles to crusade against) and the stepfather was the prime suspect.

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Andrew on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 10:39 am

There's a bit written about this in the book 'Vanished - The Truth About The Disappearance Of Madeleine McCann'

Iv'e not read that book and not heard of this case before either.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dw9UbEdmsoAC&pg=PT165&lpg=PT165&dq=michael+cook+portugal&source=bl&ots=u5mnBejEuj&sig=S4WL2NOvxoOHldEtbj8V8GohtlE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBWoVChMIlujqvc2MxwIVxBceCh1Csgde#v=onepage&q=michael%20cook%20portugal&f=false
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Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Andrew on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 1:31 pm

Cleaning up the crime scene

Disposing the body

Perverting the course of justice

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-who-dumped-body-girlfriends-6506657

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Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Guest on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 2:57 pm

It's absolutely horrendous what has been done to Mr Tomlinson who was killed and his body thrown into a wheelie bin, and the bin was set on fire trying to conceal the body.  Kearney was given a life sentence, 6 years, FFS, it should have been 60 years -

Nathan Kearney, 34, was this week given a life sentence after he was found guilty of the manslaughter of Bill Tomlinson, reports the Loughborough Echo .

He had already pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice by destroying or concealing evidence.

Kearney, of Braunstone, will serve a minimum of six years and nine months before being eligible for parole.


I'm lost for words.   Evil or Very Mad

Although it does show what lengths people will go to to avoid being caught after they've done a crime, not that I'm alluding to anything I would add.

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Post  Andrew on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 3:28 pm

Yeah exactly. What some people will do to try and get away with it.

Agreed - 6 years is a p!ss take.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 3:29 pm

I had wondered what the motive was. There's more information here.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Judge-directs-Leicester-jury-convict-autistic-man/story-27639068-detail/story.html
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Guest on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 3:51 pm

Freedom wrote:I had wondered what the motive was. There's more information here.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Judge-directs-Leicester-jury-convict-autistic-man/story-27639068-detail/story.html

Absolutely totally shocking, they knew what they were doing, someone with only a few brain cells between their ears would know that slitting someone's throat is killing someone and they're not likely to survive the ordeal.

I looked up the procedure to write to the "establishment" to protest against such a low sentence (6 years) but apparently "manslaughter" doesn't seem to come under their remit of having the sentence overturned, it has to be classed as murder.

So it looks, to me, like many "murders" are now being classed as "manslaughter" as there are not enough prison places to house people for a proper murder conviction for say 20 or 30 years.

How can you say that slitting someone's throat and setting the body alight is "manslaughter" not "murder".


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Here's another one.....

Post  Guest on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 4:22 pm

They just keep coming .....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247542/Mother-four-lied-Primark-security-guard-snatching-nine-month-old-daughter-breastfeeding-faces-jail.html#comments

The comments are interesting to read, not many sympathising with her, I liked this one in particular -

What a despicable excuse for a Mother!

and

Well at the time this story was originally published, the less gullible amongst us all knew she had fabricated the whole thing! What did she think was going to happen; perhaps a compensation claim for the "excruciating pain she suffered?!?!

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Post  Andrew on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 4:40 pm

Maybe she wouldn't of tried this stunt if the Mccann farce didn't see the light of day.

Shannon Matthews, I would wager, wouldn't of done either.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 4:46 pm

I'm surprised about the charge of perverting the course of public justice - wouldn't wasting police time have been more relevant?

To be fair (as I always try to be!) she sounds as if she may have mental health issues.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Châtelaine on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 7:41 pm

Slightly off topic: I don't know if anyone got this today, but there has been a new development in identifying [criminal] people. After the fingerprints and then DNA it is now the "cloud" of bacteria you carry and lose in the air. Although we all carry more or less the same types of bacteria, once with us they get an individual signature. Like fingerprints and DNA it may take years before they're accepted as proof in criminal court cases, at least they might/will support investigators and get them in the right direction ...
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Re:Miscellaneous Criminal Cases.

Post  costello on Thu 24 Sep 2015, 7:56 pm

Châtelaine wrote:Slightly off topic: I don't know if anyone got this today, but there has been a new development in identifying [criminal] people. After the fingerprints and then DNA it is now the "cloud" of bacteria you carry and lose in the air. Although we all carry more or less the same types of bacteria, once with us they get an individual signature. Like fingerprints and DNA it may take years before they're accepted as proof in criminal court cases, at least they might/will support investigators and get them in the right direction ...

Interesting Chatelaine.
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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  PMR on Wed 30 Sep 2015, 6:33 pm

Freedom wrote:I'm surprised about the charge of perverting the course of public justice - wouldn't wasting police time have been more relevant?

To be fair (as I always try to be!) she sounds as if she may have mental health issues.
Perverting the course of Justice potentially has a much higher sentence than Wasting Police time. If it's applied or not is another matter
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