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Post  Freedom on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 9:38 am

I haven't yet read about the above case in detail but my first reaction is that it sounds like something from a bygone age when "unmarried mothers" were stigmatised.

I don't think that we have mentioned the Kerry babies case here before so I'll put a link to it. This is another case which it's hard to believe happened only in comparatively recent times, the 1980s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Babies_case
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Post  Freedom on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:22 am

Another one that defies belief for a different reason.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/church-goer-faces-at-least-21-years-in-jail-for-murdering-two-year-old-boy/ar-BBD4V34?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Both he and the so-called mother should never see the light of day again.
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Post  PMR on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:37 am

The vicarage baby case occurred close to where I live so has received extensive coverage in the local press. The original investigation included incest allegations, but they were quickly ruled out as the babys father was named. It all reads to me as some dark gothic novel
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Post  Freedom on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:40 am

I've now read the article and it really does sound like the script of a creepy film. You'd think - surely there can't be anyone like that in real life!
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Christopher Halliwell

Post  bluebell on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 4:46 pm

This is in connection with the other post above about Halliwell:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/claudia-lawrences-mum-asks-see-10672093

Claudia Lawrence's mum asks to see "trophies" hidden by murderer Christopher Halliwell in case they include missing chef's belongings
Claudia is believed to have been abducted walking to a 6am shift at York University on March 19, 2009 - a date Halliwell is said to be fixated on after being dumped

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Andrew on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 9:25 pm

There's a doc on Channel 5 now about the young girl and her bf who murdered her mum and sister.

We've chatted about the case ages ago and recently when the court decided they could be named.

Can't find the thread anywhere scratch

See http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1978-the-murder-of-elizabeth-and-katie-edwards?highlight=edwards
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Desperately sad case from New Zealand...

Post  Rosa canina on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 11:23 pm

An Intermediate School is one between Primary and Secondary -

- for First and Second formers - they are found in big towns/cities here.


This is the case of a young girl groomed by her teacher, who killed herself :

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11859287

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

Post  Freedom on Mon 03 Jul 2017, 9:18 pm

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Re: Miscellaneous Criminal Cases

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Post  Freedom on Mon 10 Jul 2017, 7:01 pm

There's a programme about this case at 9 tonight on Channel 4.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-40553713
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Post  Freedom on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 3:29 pm

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Post  Freedom on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 5:32 pm

There's a new programme on Channel 5 tonight at 21.00, called "A mother's story", about Sarah Payne who was abducted and murdered in 2000.
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Post  dannii on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 5:45 pm

I bought the book "Letters to Sarah" last week but aint read it yet.

One of her brothers will be speaking tonight about how guilty he felt at the time.So sad.
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Post  chrissie on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 7:49 pm

I'll be watching this. Her brother and sister were on GMB this morning, heartbreaking
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Post  Freedom on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm

I don't think that he feels any less guilty now from a trailer I've seen.

He must be tormented by knowing that if he'd gone after Sarah a minute or two sooner, she wouldn't have been taken. It's not his fault of course but how can he avoid thinking that.

There was a less well covered murder in 1988 when a 9 year old girl was briefly left in charge of her 2 year old sister in a playground and, while she wasn't paying attention, a 12 year old boy abducted the little girl and killed her.

I can't find a fairly recent article in which the sister described her continuing anguish but here's one from 2001.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/why-victims-deserve-so-much-better-9135075.html
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Post  chrissie on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 8:25 pm

I vaguely remember that case but as you say, so not much publicity.

I can't imagine how you would get over something like this.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 19 Jul 2017, 11:01 pm

Here's a link to the programme.

https://www.my5.tv/sarah-payne-a-mothers-story/season-1/sarah-payne-a-mothers-story

Another case with some similarities to the Sharona Joseph one: a 4 year old girl somehow wandered out of her house early one morning and was found and killed by a boy whom I think was 13.

I wonder if anyone can remember more of it than I can. I know that it was in 1977 during the Queen's 25th Jubilee celebrations; the girl's name was Tracy or Tracey with a surname beginning with M (something unusual like Muers) and possibly in the Greater London area.
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The Great Train Robbery

Post  Freedom on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 11:04 am

With acknowledgement to the Facebook group Friends Who Like British Nostalgia 1940 to 1980. I'm not sure that this story can be classed as nostalgic though!

On this day 8 August 1963, to hit the headlines was the news of the great train robbery.
The Great Train Robbery was dubbed ‘The Crime of the Century’ . The gang stole approximately £2.6 million from a Royal Mail Train at Bridego Railway Bridge in Buckinghamshire, England in 1963.
Despite meticulous planning, every member of the group at the scene was captured, except for one unnamed man who was supposed to act as the replacement train driver. Only two informants escaped prison for their role in the robbery.
The Plan
Although there is uncertainty over who came up with the idea, most sources suggest a Salford postal worker called Patrick McKenna provided the information that piqued the interest of Buster Edwards and Gordon Goody. McKenna told the two career criminals about the large sums of money on board the Royal Mail trains and over the space of a few months, Edwards and Goody devised a plan. They were aided by Roy James, Charles Wilson, and Bruce Reynolds, with the latter deemed the ‘mastermind’ behind the scheme.
Although the group was seasoned criminals, they had no experience in train robberies, so they sought the help of another London gang called The South Coast Raiders. This group included Richard Cordrey, a man capable of rigging track-side signals to bring a halt to the train. Other people such as Ronnie Biggs were added, and the total number of men involved in the actual robbery was 16.
The Robbery
On August 7, 1963, a 12 carriage Travelling Post Office (TPO) train started its journey from Glasgow to London. It left at 6:50 p.m. and was due to arrive at Euston Station at 3:59 a.m. on Thursday, August 8. The gang’s target was the High-Value Packages (HVP) coach which was the carriage just behind the engine. It would normally carry approximately £300,000, but as the previous weekend had been a Bank Holiday weekend, the total value was over £2.5 million.
At around 3 a.m., the driver, Jack Mills, saw what proved to be a false signal at Sears Crossing just past Leighton Buzzard. Mills stopped the train and his co-driver David Whitby left the diesel engine to contact the signalman to find out the issue. Whitby saw that cables from the line-side phone were cut, but as he returned to the train, he was accosted by members of the gang and tossed down the railway embankment.
Another masked man boarded the train and knocked Mills out with a blow to the head. The thieves separated the engine and first two carriages containing the HVP. The plan involved driving the train another mile to Bridego Bridge where the money would be loaded onto Land Rovers which would then drive to a hideout.
However, the gang made a grievous error. They used a man known as ‘Stan Agate’ (real identity unknown) to drive the train, but upon entering, he realized the diesel engine train was far more complicated than the smaller ones he was used to driving. The panicked gang roused Mills to continue the journey. While staff in the two front carriages were harassed by the thieves, the rest of the employees in the remaining 10 carriages had no idea there was a robbery.
The Getaway
Upon reaching Bridego Bridge, the gang unloaded 120 sacks by creating a human chain and ordered a member of the Post Office staff not to move for half an hour. They drove along country roads and listened to police broadcasts on the radio before reaching their hideout at a rundown location called Leatherslade Farm. Then they divided the money into 16 equal shares after discounting some cash for other gang associates.
The order given to the Post Office staff member was a crucial mistake as the police quickly ascertained that the gang would be no more than 30 miles from the scene of the crime (the farm was 27 miles away). When the group learned this news, they moved their escape plan forward to Friday from Sunday. They needed new cars as their getaway vehicles were seen by the Post Office staff, so a couple of gang members traveled to London to find new vehicles.
A resident contacted the police after viewing the comings and goings at the farm as ‘suspicious.’ Although the robbers attempted to wipe their fingerprints clean at the scene, they hired someone called ‘Mark’ to clean the farm or burn it down to destroy the evidence. He failed to comply so when the police arrived, they easily found traces of the gang’s identity. For example, they found fingerprints on a Monopoly board as the robbers played the game using real money.
Despite the breakthrough, the investigation didn’t start well. However, things changed when a Train Robbery Squad was formed and led by the renowned ‘One Day’ Tommy Butler. After receiving the names of the gang from informants, the Squad started to pick up the criminals one by one. Roger Cordrey was the first to be apprehended just six days after the theft. Eight other members were captured by the end of 1963. Edwards surrendered to the police in 1966 after living in Mexico, while Butler caught Reynolds and Wilson in 1968.
Trials & Escapes
The majority of the gang members were tried in 1964 received extremely harsh prison sentences. Seven men were sentenced to 30 years in jail, two others received 25-year terms while Cordrey suffered a 20-year sentence and William Boal got 24 years in prison. One of the men, John Daly, was almost certainly involved in the crime but the court cleared him of wrongdoing. Some of the men escaped from prison, but only Biggs remained at large for any extended period. He escaped from jail in 1965, returned to Britain in 2001 and surrendered to the police. Biggs served the remainder of his sentence and was released in 2009.
At this time of writing, Bob Welch is the only known robber who is still alive. Investigators believe several others took part in the Great Train Robbery with names such as Bill Jennings, Alf Thomas, and Danny Pembroke mentioned. Although the police recovered less than £400,000, none of the gang fared well after the robbery. Wilson was murdered in 1990, James, Hussey, and Wisbey spent more time in prison, while Edwards committed suicide in 1994.
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Post  Freedom on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 5:17 pm

I've just heard about this case of an alleged kidnapping which, from comments that are popping up all over the place, is likely to be a load of old baloney.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40862148
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