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Post  candyfloss on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 9:40 pm

Heisenburg wrote:Ah well SY aren't telling any one diddly squat lets make something up.


Ex-detective Mark Williams-Thomas says Madeleine McCann case is 'unsolvable' because a crucial CCTV camera was switched off when she vanished

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7878859/Ex-detective-says-Madeleine-McCann-case-unsolvable.html


Ha, yeah, just saw this, the man of many theories lol..


Sonia Poulton commenting on twitter about it ….


Sonia Poulton‏Verified account @SoniaPoulton · 2h2 hours ago

This man will spout any theory if it gets him press. What happened to the 'she walked out 5A on her own...?' Surely @BorisJohnson - who isn't up to his neck in it like May & Cameron - will address this ongoing multi-million pound taxpayer funded investigation? #McCann



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Post  Freedom on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 10:59 pm

Don't get hurt in the rush to buy the Brain of Britain's book. I wonder what other cases are mentioned and if he takes the credit for solving them.

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1117362/hunting-killers/9780552176149.html
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Post  Freedom on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 11:17 pm

From the link about the book.

"Death has a unique smell. I've been in the presence of people who have killed; I've been in rooms where people have been killed. I've seen the unspeakable things human beings are capable of. None of that puts me off my aim; I want to see those people caught, convicted and sent to jail".

This from the man who was in Tia Sharp's grandmother's house and interviewed her killer Stuart Hazell, oblivious to the body being hidden in the house.
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Post  Guinea Pig on Wed 22 Jan 2020, 5:45 pm

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Post  froggy on Wed 22 Jan 2020, 6:30 pm

Dear me, they'll print any rubbish in order to sell papers
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Post  unreorganised on Fri 24 Jan 2020, 12:57 pm

froggy wrote:Dear me, they'll print any rubbish in order to sell papers

Unless anybody knows differently, I doubt this actually made the print edition of the Mirror. Which does beg the question, what's the point?

I wouldn't die of surprise if I learned that these stories are generated automatically by some kind of artificial "intelligence".
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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 23 Feb 2020, 8:53 am

Silly season is early,must be climate change,still theres hope the funding will be extended,why else for a story.


Madeleine McCann detectives quiz British barmaid over her German ex-boyfriend who lived near Portuguese resort where toddler vanished in 2007
Carol Hickman, 59, was stunned when police entered her bar two weeks ago
She works at Kelly's Bar in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Madeleine vanished
She claims police pressed her for details on ex-boyfriend Michael Jehle, 51
'Friendly hippy' Mr Jehle said: 'I don't know anything about Maddie McCann'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8033313/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-quiz-British-barmaid-German-ex-boyfriend.html
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Post  candyfloss on Sun 23 Feb 2020, 11:45 am

Heisenburg wrote:Silly season is early,must be climate change,still theres hope the funding will be extended,why else for a story.


Madeleine McCann detectives quiz British barmaid over her German ex-boyfriend who lived near Portuguese resort where toddler vanished in 2007
Carol Hickman, 59, was stunned when police entered her bar two weeks ago
She works at Kelly's Bar in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Madeleine vanished
She claims police pressed her for details on ex-boyfriend Michael Jehle, 51
'Friendly hippy' Mr Jehle said: 'I don't know anything about Maddie McCann'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8033313/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-quiz-British-barmaid-German-ex-boyfriend.html


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Post  poster on Sun 23 Feb 2020, 11:15 pm

There was speculation that the McCanns visited Kelly's bar that fateful week. There was an undercover reporter filming of Mrs Fenn's hairdresser telling the undercover reporter that the McCann parents were at Kelly's bar on the Tuesday evening, which I think is when neighbour Mrs Fenn heard prolonged crying coming from the apartment 5A.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22451-kellys-bar
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Post  Freedom on Sun 23 Feb 2020, 11:25 pm

Kelly's Bar - the one where the Smith family were on the night of 3rd May?

I shall read those links - I may be having a senior moment but I don't recall hearing that the McCanns ever went there.

I've only just realised that it's the one mentioned in the latest steaming heap of tabloid trash.
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Post  poster on Mon 24 Feb 2020, 10:33 am

Oh, sorry - I think the undercover reporter was told by Mrs Fenn's hairdresser that the McCanns visited Chaplins on the evening that Mrs Fenn heard crying. Yes - it was Kelly's bar where the Smith family were on the night of 3rd May.

I stand corrected. Whether or not any of the above is true or not!
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Post  poster on Mon 24 Feb 2020, 10:37 am

The link, however, does suggest that the McCanns visited Kelly's Bar on 1st and 2nd May and might have watched the football matches. Whereas we have Mrs Fenn's hairdresser stating that the McCanns dined at Chaplin's the night Mrs Fenn heard crying.

Perhaps they visited both during that week and maybe more than one location in an evening? There was a quiz night at Kelly's on Monday.

As the link suggests there were big football matches on and a rowdy British crowd would have congregated at the bar/s to watch football on a big screen. As the link suggests, could this possibly be what Jane Tanner is alluding to when she claims in that reconstruction that Kate was sitting at the dinner table moaning that Gerry was spending too long watching football?

Was the hugely elaborate Tapas 'checking' story designed to cover-up the fact that they were even further afield sometimes than the Tapas bar/restaurant. But surely all this would be very easy to have found out, what with other hotel residents and locals being out and about using the bars and restaurants? I think the McCanns and their friends are reasonably distinctive-looking so would have been noticed by other people whether holiday-makers or locals.

What Mrs Fenn's hairdresser says to the undercover reporter does tend to suggest that - where-ever the McCanns were on the evening Mrs Fenn heard crying coming from the apartment - the half-hourly checks did not happen, at least didn't happen on that evening. It is on record in Kate's book that on Wednesday evening there was a space of around three-quarters of an hour that the children were left alone as the group moved into the bar at the Tapas after diner. This was the one departure recorded from their usual evening routine from Sunday evening up to that fateful Thursday. It is curious, perhaps, why Kate admitted to this apparently laxity in their 'checking' arrangements. Was it to allow for Mrs Fenn's overhearing of crying (albeit the incident has by placed by Kate as happening a day later - Wednesday rather than Tuesday)? Or was it possibly closer to the truth in terms of how frequently checks were made, if we are to believe Mrs Fenn's hairdresser who claimed the children were left alone for up to an hour and a half while the parents dined out?

And if the McCanns had been dining or drinking further afield, then the checks would have been more of a palaver.


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Post  Freedom on Mon 24 Feb 2020, 10:55 am

It may be a forum myth but there was a report that the McCanns were at Chaplins and someone was sent to fetch them to attend to their crying children. It seems unlikely - how would anyone have known where they were?
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Post  poster on Mon 24 Feb 2020, 11:12 am

Freedom wrote:It may be a forum myth but there was a report that the McCanns were at Chaplins and someone was sent to fetch them to attend to their crying children. It seems unlikely - how would anyone have known where they were?

Luz is a small place and I think word would get round very quickly indeed. For starters, we have Mrs Fenn's hairdresser!!
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Post  poster on Tue 25 Feb 2020, 10:12 pm

Despite what has been said over the road about Mrs Fenn not being a credible witness, why would she not be? She is in the apartment directly above the McCann family. She gave a police statement to the effect that she heard a child crying for over an hour and that crying escalated until Mrs Fenn heard the patio doors below opening (or closing) upon which the child stopped crying abruptly. So concerned was Mrs Fenn about the crying that she contacted a friend to discuss it with her.

The McCanns have claimed that they left the children alone in the apartment and went back and checked on them every now and then but have admitted that there was at least one evening when the children were left as long as 45-50 minutes between checks. I think this is the evening Mrs Fenn hears the crying.

The McCanns admit that their children cried on several evenings, in particular on the Wednesday evening when it is claimed that Madeline asked her parents the following morning why they didn't come when she and Sean cried the previous evening.

All the above, whether true or not (although I see no reason why Mrs Fenn would lie) and whether it happened how it was described would be completely consistent with what the McCann's claimed they did.  You would EXPECT children to cry for extended periods of time if they woke up and found their parents missing and there was no responsible adult or babysitter there to comfort them and they had no way of contacting or finding their parents.  Therefore, Mrs Fenn hearing crying coming from the McCanns' apartment would be quite logical and likely, given that the children were, apparently,  left at night unattended. The abduction story relies on the McCann children having been left alone to make it work so TM could hardly complain when and if this became a topic of conversation.

There would inevitably been a lot of talk among guests, staff and locals about what happened following Madeleine's alleged abduction and it may be that some (possibly Mrs Fenn was one of them) were not entirely convinced by the McCann version of events.

In a small community like Luz, people would know each other and not be anonymous like they can be in larger cities. I've never seen any reason not to believe Mrs Fenn and when she became exasperated and was filmed getting cross and muttering: 'It's all rubbish' or words to that effect, she would not have been referring to her police statement imo (because that would have been admitting to perjury) but presumably to press intrusion, other things that had been reported about her,  or possibly to the whole abduction story.

I'm sure she wasn't the only local who thought that and it is on record that her understandably measured response to Kate and Fiona's hysteria on the night of the alleged abduction was met with a barrage of verbal assault from the pair. Hardly the response one would expect, if they truly believed that Madeleine had been stolen from the apartment below Mrs Fenn.

I do wish this odious group of people would be called to account for what happened to poor Madeleine.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 3:22 pm

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Post  Heisenburg on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 6:19 pm



Couple of points that stick out.

The forensics expert has offered his service to the Find Madeleine campaign twice, detailing what his super recognisers are capable of 18 months ago.
However, he has received no response.

Dr Mark Perlin claims his Pittsburgh lab Cybernetics – which has identified victims of the 9/11 terror attack – can unlock samples UK authorities initially struggled to analyse.
However, his offer was also ignored.


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Post  Freedom on Sun 15 Mar 2020, 6:41 pm

Thanks for that. I hadn't actually been brave enough to read it all. Dr Perlin was of course interviewed in the Mark Saunokonoko podcasts.

I wonder why the McCanns haven't accepted his offer of help.......
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Post  poster on Fri 20 Mar 2020, 5:07 pm

Interesting juxtaposition of Coronavius and the Madeleine McCann case. Who, exactly, is 'hunting' for Madeleine I wonder? Certainly not the police.

Given the level of silliness around the reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I find it difficult to believe a lot of what I read in the MSM. I can't help thinking there is a 'wider agenda' over this Coronavirus and in particular the reporting of it. But what is it?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-hunt-madeleine-mccann-could-21724854
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Post  Freedom on Fri 20 Mar 2020, 5:34 pm

How absolutely ridiculous! Is there no story in which the McCann case won't be dragged into?
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Post  poster on Fri 20 Mar 2020, 7:25 pm

Freedom wrote:How absolutely ridiculous! Is there no story in which the McCann case won't be dragged into?

There is something 'Orwellian' about the apparent 'clamp-down' on 'fake news' about the Coronavirus when, Imo, there are a great many indications that the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann could in itself have been 'fake news'.  Think how long that story ran and ran with all the apparent 'sightings' around the globe, the feting of the McCanns as some kind of ambassadors for missing children (I mean, WTF?). After years of all that nonsense, the public have every right to be sceptical.

I think that some of the hygiene measures that are now recommended should always have been adopted anyway, particularly in crowded places - such as hand washing after using the toilet (many don't, apparently). Handwashing before eating and after touching surfaces in public. Not putting fingers near nose, eyes and mouth in public, especially if hands are not clean.

The above are really quite basic measures. And staying at home with symptoms of a cold or flu is also common-sense. Look how quickly public opinion/public health advice has changed on this. Only a month or so ago I completed a course (leading to a professional qualification) run by a local education authority where there was an insistence on as close to 100% attendance as possible. If you missed certain sessions or more than two you automatically failed and would have to re-do the course unless there were exceptional extenuating circumstances. The result was that students attended with coughs, colds and flu and exposed the other students and members of the public.

ETA: I do some work in primary schools, or did, and I always tried to insist that the children washed their hands after using the toilet but it was an uphill struggle and teachers simply don't have time to enforce this. when I talked about 'germs' some of the children would insist that they never had germs! The level of ignorance around basic hygiene was amazing. Education about basic hygiene should start very young so that it just becomes the norm. I think as a society we had become very complacent and there has of course been an explosion in the amount of cafes, restaurants, fast-food outlets, take-aways etc (where workers may not be carrying out basic hygiene) which is possibly one of the reasons this virus was able to take control so quickly.
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Post  Freedom on Mon 23 Mar 2020, 6:31 pm

More absolute trash with the McCanns shoe-horned into the Coronavirus story.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11225122/madeleine-mccanns-mothers-day-church-coronavirus/
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Post  poster on Mon 23 Mar 2020, 8:11 pm

Freedom wrote:More absolute trash with the McCanns shoe-horned into the Coronavirus story.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11225122/madeleine-mccanns-mothers-day-church-coronavirus/


Despite the cancellation of Sunday’s service, which a pal describes as “another blow”, Kate is buoyed by the fact police are determined to continue their hunt for her daughter.

Good to see that Kate is 'bouyed' by 'the fact' (is it really a fact?) that police are determined to continue their hunt for her daughter.

Really? Where are they hunting, exactly, and what are the latest leads?

So yet more pubic money being thrown down the drain on this case, imo.

How many ventilators could have been purchased with the money wasted on the alleged police 'hunt' for Madeleine McCann? If so much money hadn't been squandered on this farcial case and had instead been channelled into resources for dealing with a pandemic (which has been threatened for years with different viruses, eg: swine flu) perhaps we might have seen a different outcome. (Possibly as happened in China as they had the resources to build two new hospitals in a matter of days).

IMO! What a mess it all is.
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Post  poster on Mon 23 Mar 2020, 10:02 pm

Can someone please explain to me WHERE all the money spent on allegedly 'hunting' for Madeleine McCann has gone? What are the latest leads? What progress has been made in this case which has used up millions upon millions of pounds of public money?

WHERE are police hunting for Madeleine McCann?

I would also like to know what police were doing not that long ago on the Greek island where Ben Needham disappeared so many years ago. Apparently, it took police until recently to come to the conclusion that Ben was killed by a tractor-driver on the day he disappeared. Why did it take so long to come to this conclusion? The accounts of the day that Ben disappeared from the family were highly suggestive that his disappearance was not, as they claimed, a random mystery abduction.

WHERE did all the public money on the cases above go, given that, imo, in both cases police would have known very early on that these two children died on, or very shortly after, they day they disappeared.

IMO!
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Post  Heisenburg on Sat 28 Mar 2020, 9:00 am

A little old virus ain't gonna stop it!!!!!!!
MADDIE BOOST Madeleine McCann cops set to be given more cash in £11m hunt after parents hail ‘iron will determination’ to find her



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11270774/madeleine-mccann-cops-cash-hunt/




Met Police detectives hunting Madeleine McCann 'are set to be given more money' in £11m search for missing girl

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8161527/Detectives-hunting-Madeleine-McCann-set-given-money-11m-search-missing-girl.html


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