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Post  poster on Fri 22 May 2020, 9:51 pm

The virus is losing its virulence and its reach.  I have heard from a doctor at a large hospital that in the past two weeks there has been one covid case. Just one. This doctor is socializing, not wearing a mask and not social distancing. This is no longer a pandemic by any stretch of the imagination and never was, imo. We are being fed utter garbage. The authorities have now shot themselves in the foot because teachers etc have believed them and are refusing to go back to work without equipment.

I don't believe there will be a significant second spike. I think there is likely to be a surge of other illnesses which have been ignored, some as a direct result of lock-down such as missed cancers, not to mention a surge in mental health problems. Any bad colds and flu-type illnesses will no doubt be labelled 'coronavirus' just to lend credence to the 'scientists' like Ferguson who gets his statistics wrong again, and again and again. Thank God he's gone but we've still got a bunch of utter loons leading us, imo.

See how our health authorities, using OUR MONEY via our taxes, are playing right into Gate's global agenda and obsession with vaccine development? As the report up-thread stated so well, Gates' agenda minimizes the importance of other health initiatives, not to mention preventative measures.

We KNOW that obesity is one of the biggest health problems today and is strongly associated with coronavirus. But just look at how much money the UK is providing to Gavi, Gates' sacred cow, which specifically funds vaccine development. HUGE amounts of money over a period of five years.

I can't believe how this whole situation has been handled and how the media have manipulated the situation. As though nothing else is happening in the world.

The story below was published on 29th April. Is this the best use of this amount of tax-payers money given that this virus could run its course quite soon and be replaced by something else? How about tackling other massive public health issues such as obesity?

Why not let individual countries deal with the situation? Some, for instance Taiwan, have done far better without any WHO support.


Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs Dominic Raab announced that the UK's work on a coronavirus vaccine has an international dimension to it. During the Wednesday night coronavirus briefing, Mr Raab said the UK will provide Gavi, the international vaccine alliance, with the equivalent of £330million each year for the next five years. He insisted this would help to produce a vaccine to the deadly virus.  

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1275466/uk-vaccine-trials-coronavirus-latest-dominic-raab
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Post  poster on Fri 22 May 2020, 10:35 pm

'We are not being told the truth'

https://www.milfordmercury.co.uk/news/letters/18469099.letter-we-not-told-truth-coronavirus-outbreak/

Boris Johnson: 'Global overpopulation is the real issue'.

All the evidence shows that we can help reduce population growth, and world poverty, by promoting literacy and female emancipation and access to birth control. Isn’t it time politicians stopped being so timid, and started talking about the real number one issue?


http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/mayor-of-london-global-overpopulation-is-the-real-issue/

This comment is interesting - no idea if Prince Philip really said this:

PRINCE PHILIP, IN HIS OWN WORDS:
"We Need To 'Cull' The Surplus Population. In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation".
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Post  poster on Sat 23 May 2020, 9:34 pm

As a society we need to start really respecting our elders. Their life experiences, how much perspective can be gained. We've been 'sold' this Hollywood youth agenda stuff which is frankly so f****** boring.

Let's hear it from someone who hasn't been bought by the whole BS Gates' et al b***s***. The 'Hollywood dream' of money is rather like the 'youth agenda' stuff. A load of utter codswallop.

IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As89bFahrKE&fbclid=IwAR1GF29dShpbHS8DN2EHYbnkPqeQHphahqcEPK-gxoqdDoC185yZSH_vRIg[youtube]As89bFahrKE[/yo


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Post  Freedom on Sat 23 May 2020, 10:02 pm

Well, people of every age group have to earn respect, it's not automatic - and Lord Sumption is my contemporary, not my elder!

I certainly agree with what he says though!

I am getting more exasperated with the situation with every passing day.
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Post  poster on Sat 23 May 2020, 11:32 pm

Quite right. You are not alone. This is a very strange time in history.

I adore my 91 year old relative - yes, he's a pain in the arse, but what a privilege to engage with someone with such longevity.
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Post  Freedom on Sun 24 May 2020, 8:43 am

When I was in my 20s I gravitated towards older people as friends - possibly as parental figures; the best one I had was 23 years older; her input in my life was much appreciated at a time when I was daft as a brush.

Thankfully now I'm a little bit wiser as it's difficult to find anyone older than me!

I hoped that the friend I mentioned was still alive as I wanted to thank her for putting up with me as she did but I found out from her daughter on Facebook that she died some years ago.
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Post  poster on Mon 25 May 2020, 12:52 pm

I'm intrigued as to how old you are Freedom if you can't find anyone older than you!!

The consequences of this lockdown lunacy are going to be far-reaching.

The peak of the disease was the week before lockdown was instituted acccording to the link below. This was my feeling all along. We have done everything (or nothing) far, far too late. What's the point of contact tracing now when so few people appear to still have the virus? Doctors, teachers and others in high contact jobs were getting ill in January, February and early March which is also, or course, the flu period.

All the people that I heard of that became ill with corona-type symptoms (and several tested postive) were ill before the lockdown.

https://www.thebernician.net/scamdemic-mathematical-evidence-of-pandemic-fraud/

A very, very good piece written by a UK doctor.  The doctor makes the vital point that as people start to mingle more in the Autumn, it will be at the start of the flu season.  The public health authorities must know this. What is the method in their madness?

The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.

https://www.thebernician.net/uk-doctor-warns-that-lock-down-is-killing-the-elderly-in-their-thousands/
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Post  poster on Mon 25 May 2020, 1:14 pm

The 5G concerns. I wasn't sure about this but what a coincidence that 5G rolls out at the same time as a virus. Not sure as to the reliability of the article below but it make a strong case for health concerns around electromagnetic fields.

Why has the WHO ignored the many concerns around 5G?

The EUROPA EM-EMF Guideline 2016 states that ”there is strong evidence that long-term exposure to certain EMFs is a risk factor for diseases such as certain cancers, Alzheimer’s disease, and male infertility…Common EHS (electromagnetic hypersensitivity) symptoms include headaches, concentration difficulties, sleep problems, depression, lack of energy, fatigue, and flu-like symptoms.”


https://www.thebernician.net/corona-virus-hoax-the-mask-for-5g-genocide/
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Post  Freedom on Mon 25 May 2020, 4:48 pm

I avoid depressing forecasts as much as possible.

Some more lunacy close to home. I live next door to a veterinary practice and for the past few weeks humans have not been allowed in. They have to hand their animals over at the door, talk to a vet over the phone and then pay by card over the phone.

Now the degree of lunacy has been stepped up. My son had a message to say that his rabbits are due for their inoculations so he rang up, to be told that only video conferencing is now allowed unless it's a dire emergency.

How his furry friends can have their injections in that way, I have no idea.

STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF.

In the meantime, nearly every evening up to a dozen staff members sit out in the back yard, drinking and socialising, without a face mask or two metres between them.
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Post  Heisenburg on Mon 25 May 2020, 4:55 pm

London and other places maybe beginning to see a reduction but not so sure here in the S West.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-52796589

Coronavirus: Weston General Hospital halts admissions
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Post  Freedom on Mon 25 May 2020, 6:18 pm

coppernob wrote:Afternoon freedom
Its a 16 year old girl who has been missing for  a week called Louise Smith.
The police have been stepping up searching today and they have put  a statement out to say a 29 year old man and a 29 year old woman have been arrested today on suspicion of kidnap but she is still missing.

I presume you know the sad outcome.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8352109/Married-couple-arrested-death-Louise-Smith-16-police-confirm-body-missing-teenager.html
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Post  Freedom on Tue 26 May 2020, 2:03 am

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Post  poster on Tue 26 May 2020, 3:09 pm

Freedom wrote:I avoid depressing forecasts as much as possible.

Some more lunacy close to home. I live next door to a veterinary practice and for the past few weeks humans have not been allowed in. They have to hand their animals over at the door, talk to a vet over the phone and then pay by card over the phone.

Now the degree of lunacy has been stepped up. My son had a message to say that his rabbits are due for their inoculations so he rang up, to be told that only video conferencing is now allowed unless it's a dire emergency.

How his furry friends can have their injections in that way, I have no idea.

STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF.

In the meantime, nearly every evening up to a dozen staff members sit out in the back yard, drinking and socialising, without a face mask or two metres between them.

Lol!! The world does seem to have gone mad. I wish someone could explain to me why police don't wear masks or social distance? They are often to be found in groups of more than two, bundled together in cars or vans. Is it not rather peculiar and downright illogical that the police can arrest people for doing exactly what they themselves are doing?

Why aren't the police following the rules? Do they have special immunity from coronavirus? Or do they know that it is not much of a danger to them or indeed anyone else? It is difficult not to reach a conclusion that the latter is the case.

In which case, what the HECK is this all about?
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Post  poster on Tue 26 May 2020, 8:44 pm

The fear factor has been huge. I think it will ultimately lead to greater ill-health both mental and physical as people need hope and want to look forward to things.

https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk/articles/pandemic-invented-disease-called-fear
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Post  Freedom on Wed 27 May 2020, 10:20 am

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Post  poster on Wed 27 May 2020, 12:43 pm



It's difficult to not come to the conclusion that a virus, or a perceived virus, has been used as a pretext for greater state control and control over businesses and financial institutions.

The very rich have indeed got very rich over this 'plandemic'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCDu_LjsNE
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Post  poster on Wed 27 May 2020, 1:29 pm

Heisenburg wrote:London and other places maybe beginning to see a reduction but not so sure here in the S West.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-52796589

Coronavirus: Weston General Hospital halts admissions

How do we know that these are not just people who have been admitted for other things, but just happened to test positive for coronavirus which they were carrying asymptomatically, as will the vast majority of people?

Ramping up testing will ramp up the numbers of people who are carrying coronavirus without symptoms. This might have nothing to do with the spike in admissions. In actual fact, I would imagine a spike in admissions is more likely due to re-opening of the hospital for other patients. Lock-down will have caused a build-up of patients needing treatment for other conditions and will also, imo, have caused other illnesses both mental and physical.

Given how much we know about how the media pulled the wool over our eyes with the Madeleine McCann case, imo, then I really can't believe anything they say any more. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt with coronavirus but it looks like yet another scam unfortunately.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics and  I think this is applicable to the reporting of coronavirus  as anything.

IMO!
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Post  poster on Wed 27 May 2020, 2:22 pm

Is corona partly a way to get us looking one way rather than the other? It would appear that there are grave concerns about 5G which are not being addressed in the media. At least let's have a debate about it.


https://www.jrseco.com/wp-content/uploads/Martin_Pall_PhD_5G_Great_risk_for_EU_US_and_International_Health-Compelling_Evidence.pdf
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Post  poster on Wed 27 May 2020, 4:39 pm

How Gates transformed his PR to create the illusion image of philanthropy.

Once the invisible cloak of 'philanthropy' is put on (but it could 'do-gooder', 'deeply religious' or  similar) then a sacred cow has been created which is above rebuke and criticism.

Gates, of course, would be quite aware of the power of such labels and those who criticise or question his motives are dismissed as 'consiracy theorists'.  We saw this with the McCanns who accused their critics of being 'trolls'.

Gates is relying on the 'philanthropy' invisibility cloak, imo, to deflect criticism and to shut down debate. By creating the illusion that vaccines are above reproach and criticism he creates a huge market for his products which create billions for his foundation using public health budgets. So, effectively, the general public are in part funding the profits on drug companies who produce vaccines via their taxes. I presume this is partly why any debate on the risk/benefit of vaccines is shut down and why Dr Wakefield was so effectively silenced. And it's made Gates the richest man in the world! Is Gates really just generous and philanthropic? Surely this is a much bigger picture.

All IMO and my understanding only.

http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/narcissistic-sociopath-spun-as-hero/
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Post  poster on Wed 27 May 2020, 11:00 pm

Gates explains how his investment in vaccines has strong economic benefits with a 20/1 return on investment.  Gates put in around $10b (over 2 decades) while the world put in $100b ('the word' means presumably from countries healthcare budgets?)  and the return on investment was around 20/1 in financial terms. A success in business terms, according to Gates.

http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/real-history-of-microsoft/

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Who-We-Are/Resources-and-Media/Annual-Reports/Annual-Report-2018
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Post  poster on Thu 28 May 2020, 3:50 pm

The utter lunacy of the coronavirus scamdemic and the absurdity and cruelty of 'lock-down' can be illustrated by how we used to deal with the very common disease of measles.  One of my relatives was a doctor at a time before measles vaccination was common.  She never saw a serious complication from measles in decades of work as a GP.  

The article below was written by the editor of The Informed Parent in 2013. Look at the numbers of cases involved - 41,000 cases recorded in 3 weeks! Notice how doctors were happy to visit patients without any fear of contracting what is now claimed to be a killer infectious disease - not a hazmat suit in sight! Notice that there were  limited, if any, attempts to limit the spread of the disease.

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Here is an example of how measles was described back in 1959, nine years before a measles vaccine was introduced in the UK. I have also taken extracts from a few doctors describing their experiences of measles at that time. This paints a very, very different picture of the disease compared to the ones we are being given at the moment. I have highlighted some of the more significant comments in bold type.

Measles Epidemic

Taken from: BMJ, Feb 7 1959, page 354

In the first three weeks of this year about 41,000 cases of measles were recorded in England and Wales. This is well above the corresponding figures of the last two years-namely, about 9,000 in 1958 and 28,000 in 1957 -though it is below the highest levels reached in the last nine years. To give some idea of the main features of the disease as it appears to-day and of how it is best treated, we invited some general practitioners to write short reports on the cases they have seen in their practices recently.

These writers agree that measles is nowadays normally a mild infection, and they rarely have occasion to give prophylactic gamma globulin. As to the treatment of the disease and its complications, the emphasis naturally varies from one practice to another. Amount of bed-rest, when to administer a sulphonamide or antibiotic, the use of analgesics and linctuses-all these may still be debatable problems in the treatment of what is said to be the commonest disease in the world. But there is probably much in the opinion which one of the writers expresses: “It is the frequent visiting by the interested clinician and not the therapy which produces the good results.”

MEASLES
REPORTS FROM GENERAL PRACTITIONERS
BMJ February 7 1959, Page 380

EXTRACTS

We are much indebted to the general practitioners whose names appear below for the following notes on the present outbreak of measles.

Dr G. R. WATSON (Peaslake,Surrey) writes: Measles was introduced just before Christmas by a child from Petworth…….Treatment of Attack.-No drugs are given for either the fever or the cough; if pressed, I dispense mist. salin. B.N.F. as a placebo. Glutethimide 125 mg. may be given in the afternoon if the child is restless when the rash develops; 250 mg. in single or divided doses at bedtime ensures a good night’s sleep in spite of coughing. I encourage a warm humid atmosphere in the room by various methods: some electric fires and most electric toasters allow an open pan of water to rest on top; an electric kettle blows off too much steam to be kept on for more than short periods. Parents, conscious of the need to darken the room and to forbid reading, may carry this to an unnecessary extreme, starting even before the rash appears. To save a mother some demands, the wireless is a boon to children in darkened rooms. They are allowed up when the rash fades from the abdomen-usually the fourth or fifth day-and may go outside on the next fine day. Apart from fruit to eat.solid food is avoided on the day the rash is appearing; fruit drinks or soups are all they appear to want. Complications.-So far few complications have arisen. Four cases of otitis media occurred in the first 25 children, but only one had pain. No case of pneumonia has occurred, but one child had grossly abnormal signs in the chest for a few days after the fever subsided, uninfluenced by oral penicillin. One girl had a tear-duct infection and another an undue blepharitis. Of three adult males with the disease, two have been more severely affected than any of the children.Dr. R. E. HOPE STMPSON (Cirencester, Glos) writes: We make no attempt to prevent the spread of measles, and would only use gamma globulin to mitigate the severity of the disease in the case of the exposure of a susceptible adult or child who is already severely debilitated. Bed rest, for seven davs for moderate and severe cases and of five to six days in mild cases, seems to cut down the incidence of such complications as secondary bacterial otitis media and bronchopneumonia. We have not been impressed by the prophylactic or therapeutic use of antibiotics and sulphonamides in the first week of the disease. As soon as the patient is out of bed we allow him out of doors almost regardless of the weather. Otitis Media and Bronchopneumonia.-These conditions often appear so early, sometimes even before the rash, that in such cases one can only conclude that the responsible agent is the virus itself.Despite their initial alarming severity, they tend to resolve spontaneously, and treatment apart from first principles seems useless. When, on the other hand, otitis media or bronchopneumonia comes on after the subsidence of the initial symptoms of measles, it is probably due to a secondary bacterial invader, and we find antibiotics or sulphonamides useful…..

MILD AILMENT

Dr. JOHN FRY (Beckenham,Kent) writes: The expected biennial epidemic of measles appeared in this region in early December, 1958, just in time to put many youngsters to bed over Christmas. To date there have been close on 150 cases in the practice, and the numbers are now steadily decreasing. Like previous epidemics, the primary cases have been chiefly in the 5- and 6-year-olds, with secondary cases in their younger siblings. No special features have been noted in this relatively mild epidemic. It has been mild because complications have occurred in only four children. One little girl aged 2 suffered from a lobular pneumonia, and three others developed acute otitis media following their measles. In the majority of children the whole episode has been well and truly over in a week, from the prodromal phase to the disappearance of the rash, and many mothers have remarked ” how much good the attack has done their children,” as they seem so much better after the measles. A family doctor’s approach to the management of measles is essentially a personal and individual matter, based on the personal experiences of the doctor and the individual character and background of the child and the family. In this practice measles is considered as a relatively mild and inevitable childhood ailment that is best encountered any time from 3 to 7 years of age. Over the past 10 years there have been few serious complications at any age, and all children have made complete recoveries. As a result of this reasoning no special attempts have been made at prevention even in young infants in whom the disease has not been found to be especially serious.


http://www.jabs.org.uk/
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Measles Epidemic

Taken from: BMJ, Feb 7 1959, page 354

In the first three weeks of this year about 41,000 cases of measles were recorded in England and Wales. This is well above the corresponding figures of the last two years-namely, about 9,000 in 1958 and 28,000 in 1957 -though it is below the highest levels reached in the last nine years. To give some idea of the main features of the disease as it appears to-day and of how it is best treated, we invited some general practitioners to write short reports on the cases they have seen in their practices recently.


I was born five months after this epidemic of measles.  I was born at home. There were absolutely no concerns or fears about measles in terms of pregnant women or women giving birth or babies. A midwife attended. I was not vaccinated against measles as a baby or child despite this epidemic having occurred months prior to my birth. No-one mentioned it or thought about it.  Despite having medics in my family the whole issue of vaccination was of no particular interest. I never remember any of them talking about it at all. It was a complete non-event. There was no concern that I might contract measles as a baby either from my parents or from my GP.
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Post  poster on Sun 31 May 2020, 2:29 pm

There's big money in disease, as Gates is only too well aware. The conflicts of interests inherent in his brand of global capitalism which profits from disease are mind-boggling. Gates' wealth has given him phenomenal influence and power over global disease management which is part of a multi-billion industry that his foundation directly profits from.

Why is Gates' influence not subject to some kind of monopolies type investigation? How much robust scrutiny goes into the projects he funds? His recent proclamations about coronavirus and stating we can only get back to normal with a vaccine shows how much influence he has and how integral the vaccine industry is to his brand of capitalism. Given that his foundation will benefit to the tune of billions from a vaccine, Gates can hardly be considered an impartial advisor. Who is to say that the virus won't die out or mutate into something else by the time an effective and safe vaccine is found?

It is so obvious that Gates' agenda is not focused on improving physical and mental health at grass-roots level but in expanding the phenomenally lucrative markets for vaccines and drugs which his foundation directly benefits from. Meanwhile, there are epidemics of obesity, auto-immune diseases, cancers, diabetes, now even in children, heart disease, autism and more.

IMO!


https://www.thenation.com/article/society/bill-gates-foundation-philanthropy/
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Post  poster on Sun 31 May 2020, 7:56 pm

I haven't yet read all of this but I do think an organisation as powerful and influential as the Gates Foundation should be subject to the most robust scrutiny. Using labels such as 'philanthropist' without scrutiny and an open mind is as dangerous as using labels like 'conspiracy theorist' or 'disgraced' without looking at the underlying issues, where the conflicts of interest might be and an understanding of how whistleblowers are silenced and discredited.

https://www.ghwatch.org/sites/www.ghwatch.org/files/d1.3.pdf
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