Sonia Poulton's documentary

susible wrote:Well the documentary was dedicated to Brenda on the anniversary of her death and the wall of text in the opening scene was about Brenda being doorstepped, so I think it is relevant to the thread.  And there is only one person who has been disrespectful to Brenda and that is cristobel, with her usual me,me,me whining and claiming that her suicide was an act of revenge..like WTF.  Sorry but I and many others do find that extremely offensive and I think we should be allowed to say so

Yes I agree Sonia Poulton has dedicated this documentary to the late Brenda Leyland and I will reiterate again I do think it will be something to look forward too. Please do not let yourself down by mocking Cristobell in my opinion you are not doing yourself any favours.

susible wrote:Well the documentary was dedicated to Brenda on the anniversary of her death and the wall of text in the opening scene was about Brenda being doorstepped, so I think it is relevant to the thread.  And there is only one person who has been disrespectful to Brenda and that is cristobel, with her usual me,me,me whining and claiming that her suicide was an act of revenge..like WTF.  Sorry but I and many others do find that extremely offensive and I think we should be allowed to say so

Susible, DFM, HKP - I agree with Cristobel about some suicides - they can indeed be about the ultimate revenge. I`m not saying Brenda`s was - nor is Cristobel - only saying that this does happen. I`ve known 2, probably 3 that definitely were and I`ll say, `in part`, because there are many other reasons to be included.  I`ll have to disagree with you about Cristobel being disrespectful to Brenda - I realise you have a different take on things, and seem to have taken against her, but IMO she has a real understanding of the workings of the mind/emotions, mental health etc.

Burst wrote:

Hongkong Phooey wrote:

Burst wrote:

Hongkong Phooey wrote:

Burst wrote:

Hongkong Phooey wrote:@Burst
So you think that doorstepping KM was a good thing? Carry on my good man/woman entitlement and all that.

No I don't. But it isn't necessarily awful either. McCanns have dominated their own media attention seeking game for years. So, asking a few questions couldn't necessarily hurt. Not like it hurt a private woman. You have seen the trollifying headlines, even far abroad, haven't you?

Sorry but I think you are missing my point which is that Sonia by releasing that trailer has played into the hands of the McCann's supporters by doorstepping Kate. It has given them the opportunity to highlight what should be unnaceptable behaviour and look for sympathy. I can't see Sonia being shown in a good light after this is viewed.
Sonia has herself just conducted the same procedure as Brunt did with Sky a la the doorstepping. It will not have the same consequences for the person being doorstopped it will probably be the reverse, Sonia will get the grief. All IMO of course.

All depends on the content of her video. Maybe Sonia had found some new questions to ask. I'm not missing your point. I saw what you did there. I just find it irrelevant. Hysterical .

Hysterically your still missing the point
Today all we have is the trailer content which is KM being doorstepped, so what's the content and questions that you're banging on about unless you've seen more of the video than the rest of us. Keep up the good work

You're making my point, while banging on about how awful and damaging Sonia's trailer would be. You're just twisting stuff. Apparently you find discrediting a person who's made a video that has to bee seen yet that important. Hysteria is what I meant.

Well you are entitled to have blind faith in Sonia's documentary (after seeing just 90 seconds) and I am entitled to question her methods after seeing the same. I'm cool with differing opinions

Many thanks Mimi

Those who read my words carefully, will see that I am offering comfort to Brenda's sons. In a nutshell, it was not their fault. Brenda was pushed into a corner (not by them, by Sky News), and as a mum with two adult sons, I know she want them to know, there was nothing they could have done and it wasn't their fault.

Most middle aged mums who love their kids, will go out of their way not to trouble, or disturb their childrens' lives, we all do it, its an inbuilt mum/dad mechanism. How ya doing, is normally answered with 'I'm fine, tell me all about you'. We want to ooh and aahhh at what our kids are doing, we don't want to bore/trouble them with our problems. Most of us do not want to be a burden. Brenda was a proud woman, but she wasn't a weak one. She fought back in her own way.

My words are not offensive CF, I don't understand the need to censor them. Surely Brenda's state of mind is highly relevant to this topic?

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
Well you are entitled to have blind faith in Sonia's documentary (after seeing just 90 seconds) and I am entitled to question her methods after seeing the same. I'm cool with differing opinions

I have no faith in the documentary whatsoever. Lots of teasing, acting all important about it, but still no show, just a trailer.
But, as I'm cool with differing opinions, like in a documentary that may or may not be released, may or may not hold anything new to the case, I'm not cool with your sick comparison of Brenda Leyland's public slaying to a fragment of Saint Kate opening a door. But hey. Stuff happens.

Cristobell wrote:Many thanks Mimi

Those who read my words carefully, will see that I am offering comfort to Brenda's sons.  In a nutshell, it was not their fault.  Brenda was pushed into a corner (not by them, by Sky News), and as a mum with two adult sons, I know she want them to know, there was nothing they could have done and it wasn't their fault.  

Most middle aged mums who love their kids, will go out of their way not to trouble, or disturb their childrens' lives, we all do it, its an inbuilt mum/dad mechanism.  How ya doing, is normally answered with 'I'm fine, tell me all about you'.  We want to ooh and aahhh at what our kids are doing, we don't want to bore/trouble them with our problems.  Most of us do not want to be a burden.  Brenda was a proud woman, but she wasn't a weak one.  She fought back in her own way.  

My words are not offensive CF, I don't understand the need to censor them.  Surely Brenda's state of mind is highly relevant to this topic?

No sorry Cristobell, I panicked this thread it was on collision course, so I thought it best to remove it as it seemed a bone of contention.

It is a shame that we cannot all respect or at least let people have their opinions without getting wound up. I have said it many times here and elsewhere, some things which are posted make me cringe and my toes curl, but I have to leave it and let people say what they think, it is their right. It's ok to disagree with opinions, and to say so, but no need to take things to heart and so personally - Better yet, if you don't like it ignore it.

Brenda's death is a very sad emotive subject, we all felt shocked and very upset at what happened to such a lovely lady, and we all have our opinions on who was to blame. Please let people speak their thoughts without being stamped on surely we all have that right. But, by the same token can we show a little sensitivity as Brenda's family may be reading here.

I hope you all understand what I am meaning.

What people forget Kate and Gerry Mccann are completely innocent of any crime at this moment in time,it was and remains their right under the instructions of their lawyer not to answer police questioning,who does SP really think she is walking up do the front door and asking why?

costello wrote:

susible wrote:Well the documentary was dedicated to Brenda on the anniversary of her death and the wall of text in the opening scene was about Brenda being doorstepped, so I think it is relevant to the thread.  And there is only one person who has been disrespectful to Brenda and that is cristobel, with her usual me,me,me whining and claiming that her suicide was an act of revenge..like WTF.  Sorry but I and many others do find that extremely offensive and I think we should be allowed to say so

Yes I agree Sonia Poulton has dedicated this documentary to the late Brenda Leyland and I will reiterate again I do think it will be something to look forward too. Please do not let yourself down by mocking Cristobell in my opinion you are not doing yourself any favours.

Susible isn't "mocking" anyone, she's just stating what some of us are also thinking. Or is that not allowed now either.

Mimi wrote:

susible wrote:Well the documentary was dedicated to Brenda on the anniversary of her death and the wall of text in the opening scene was about Brenda being doorstepped, so I think it is relevant to the thread.  And there is only one person who has been disrespectful to Brenda and that is cristobel, with her usual me,me,me whining and claiming that her suicide was an act of revenge..like WTF.  Sorry but I and many others do find that extremely offensive and I think we should be allowed to say so

Susible, DFM, HKP - I agree with Cristobel about some suicides - they can indeed be about the ultimate revenge. I`m not saying Brenda`s was - nor is Cristobel - only saying that this does happen. I`ve known 2, probably 3 that definitely were and I`ll say, `in part`, because there are many other reasons to be included.  I`ll have to disagree with you about Cristobel being disrespectful to Brenda - I realise you have a different take on things, and seem to have taken against her, but IMO she has a real understanding of the workings of the mind/emotions, mental health etc.

Mimi, that is exactly what she said, although she subsequently denied it; the post is still there if you care to go back and look. And it is highly offensive to some of us, disrespectful and attention-seeking and personally I don't think it should even be on this forum, although others have the right to disagree of course.

Burst wrote:

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
Well you are entitled to have blind faith in Sonia's documentary (after seeing just 90 seconds) and I am entitled to question her methods after seeing the same. I'm cool with differing opinions

I have no faith in the documentary whatsoever. Lots of teasing, acting all important about it, but still no show, just a trailer.
But, as I'm cool with differing opinions, like in a documentary that may or may not be released, may or may not hold anything new to the case, I'm not cool with your sick comparison of Brenda Leyland's public slaying to a fragment of Saint Kate opening a door. But hey. Stuff happens.

I didn't comment on Brenda's public slaying as you called it, what I said was the doorstepping is the same process (not what followed) therefore you can't condone one without the other. I stated that in fact KM had been accused of worse than being a vile troll, that is an indisputable fact. This bickering is getting tiresome feel free to argue with your shadow.

I agree with HKP on one point - the trailer did look like it was put together by a bunch of amateurs (to me, anyway). I'd have liked to have said it was a professional production and filled me with confidence for the actual documentary but unfortunately, it just didn't.

Brenda`s death really shocked and upset me - still does. I know if it had happened to me I would have done myself in as well - I could not have borne the consequences. Mind you I don`t think I would have been as nice as her at the outset - there`s no way Sky would have released it if Brenda had spoken a few home truths about the McCanns - she was far too nice and, as we have subsequently found out, Martin Brunt knew she had a history of depression because he said so in Court, yet he did not try to stop it - but maybe it was taken out of his hands and no matter what he did, Sky/Gamble/McCanns had their scoop and we darned well going to use it, no matter what the consequences to Brenda.

Thank you Resistor, no I am not mocking cristobell at all,. I disagreed with what she said, she then backtracked telling me to stay on topic and then further backtracked claiming she hadn't said what I accused her of.

@Mimi and why do you think that cristobell is the last authority on mental illness, you know nothing about my background and what I know about mental health and to be honest, it seems that if we are not praising sonia and cristobell to the rafters and have any issues with what they are doing, then we are the bad ones. I still think doorstepping Kate was a bad move and giving an interview to the Sun about being an internet troll made us all look bad, that is my opinion, it is not going to change and I don't see why I should be silenced and talked down to. It is cristobell who has consistently made an issue of this, claiming that those who express concerns about the docu and interview are somehow afraid of it and repeatedly I have said no, I am not afraid of it, why the heck would I be (and who can forget cristobells rants about her worst enemies being the antis..people on this forum who have disagreed with her, I do believe I should have the right to reply.

Locking this for a short while, I think we should all take a breather. I know I need one. .

Just posted by Sonia on twitter........


Sonia Poulton ‏@SoniaPoulton · 4 mins4 minutes ago
Appreciate all lovely words and support today. http://www.theuntoldstoryofmadeleinemccann.com
oh, and wasn't that a PR fiasco for the online team? #Needham #mccann

I am tentatively reopening this thread in the hope that we can continue with a good discussion in a friendly way.

Looking at Sonia's webpage for the documentary it seems to confirm that it is, as many thought here, self financed. Yet wasn't it claimed to have been commissioned?

It means it is very unlikely to make it on national TV anytime soon.

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Looking at Sonia's webpage for the documentary it seems to confirm that it is, as many thought here, self financed. Yet wasn't it claimed to have been commissioned?

It means it is very unlikely to make it on national TV anytime soon.  

Could be one of the reasons it's taking so long and may not achieve the 'quality' to go mainstream, however YouTube is a powerful medium in itself and it may just end up there. All speculation on my part.

I saw it mentioned elsewhere that this by UFOTV and lots of mockery, well it seems Sonia knows nothing about it, someone got the wrong end of the stick again....



Sonia Poulton ‏@SoniaPoulton · 4 mins4 minutes ago
@nikki_plummer no idea what UFOTV thing is, @ChallengeGovUK mentioned it too. Pls reassure Rebecca only msm is right platform for her tricks

candyfloss wrote:I saw it mentioned elsewhere that this  by UFOTV and lots of mockery, well it seems Sonia knows nothing about it, someone got the wrong end of the stick again....



Sonia Poulton ‏@SoniaPoulton  · 4 mins4 minutes ago  
@nikki_plummer no idea what UFOTV thing is, @ChallengeGovUK mentioned it too. Pls reassure Rebecca only msm is right platform for her tricks

I can vouch for the ufotv logo being on the video link from this thread this morning, it was right at the end I saw it there myself along with a #4 sign, its changed now.
ETA. I posted about it at 10:48 this morning.

candyfloss wrote:I am tentatively reopening this thread in the hope that we can continue with a good discussion in a friendly way.

You lost over 40 users when you locked down the thread CF. I'm afraid, I, like most of them, have now lost interest.

I don't know what you mean by lost users.

There is no point in carrying on with a topic when it gets out of hand with irrelevant posts as this one did.

Hongkong Phooey wrote:

candyfloss wrote:I saw it mentioned elsewhere that this  by UFOTV and lots of mockery, well it seems Sonia knows nothing about it, someone got the wrong end of the stick again....



Sonia Poulton ‏@SoniaPoulton  · 4 mins4 minutes ago  
@nikki_plummer no idea what UFOTV thing is, @ChallengeGovUK mentioned it too. Pls reassure Rebecca only msm is right platform for her tricks

I can vouch for the ufotv logo being on the video link from this thread this morning, it was right at the end I saw it there myself along with a #4 sign, its changed now.
ETA. I posted about it at 10:48 this morning.

Yes it does look like a few frames up to one second has been trimmed off the end of the video. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=The+Untold+Story+of+Madeleine+McCann%3A+A+War+of+Information&oq=The+Untold+Story+of+Madeleine+McCann%3A+A+War+of+Information&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64l2&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

In the link above you'll see that it says 1:31 for duration but when played only 1:30. Also no copyright [insert production company name] at the end.

I'm popping in before sleep time but I actually thought the trailer looked really good. I think it was the macs house, I think it was KM who opened the door and also think she looked unaware of what was happening. That very first question alone, IMO, shows Sonia wants the same questions asked as, well, I'd love to know the answers to them 48 questions.
Just my opinion, really looking forward to the rest.