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Post  Heisenburg on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm


A written supplement to the video in that link,rather interesting this, I found.

That’s why some in the field have opted to use dead pigs as proxies for human cadavers. Cablk takes issue with using pigs. In particular, when she and her colleagues compared the odor of decomposing pigs, chickens, and cows with that of humans, they found that the pig aroma was most different from humans, while the chicken aroma was most similar


http://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i14/Scientists-search-deaths-aroma.html
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 18 Aug 2017, 6:31 pm

Very good article........

For sniffing out crime and missing persons, science backs blood-detection dogs


August 18, 2017 by Latara Rust And Shari Forbes, The Conversation




https://phys.org/news/2017-08-sniffing-crime-persons-science-blood-detection.html

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Post  candyfloss on Wed 23 Aug 2017, 1:02 pm

JillyCL ☮️‏ @JillyCL · 25m25 minutes ago


#SavannahLeckie #Mother #Murder

Two Cadaver Dogs at different times hit on the same spot by a burn pile..

http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/08/22/breaking-remains-of-missing-autistic-girl-found-in-a-burn-pile-at-mothers-property/




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Unreliable dogs again

Post  Heisenburg on Sat 16 Sep 2017, 8:15 pm

They can now help sniff out tampered with hard drives in the search for child images.

British police unveil two FBI-trained dogs that can 'sniff out' paedophiles' hidden stashes of child abuse footage




Tweed and Rob are based in Devon and Cornwall Police and are the first two cyber detection dogs in the UK.
The pair will also be helping out other police forces across the country.
The two dogs underwent specialist training from the FBI, where they learned how to detect a chemical used to cool memory chips in technology.
Springer spaniel Tweed has already been used in raids this week by Essex Police



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4891284/Police-unveil-dogs-sniff-paedophiles-software.html
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Post  candyfloss on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 10:44 am

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K-9 Handlers Who Found #SherinMathews Share Their Story'

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/K-9-Handlers-Who-Found-Sherin-Mathews-Share-Their-Story-453464213.html

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Post  candyfloss on Sun 21 Jan 2018, 10:06 am

Terrible case this 'house of horrors'.


I am putting this here because yet again, those pesky, unreliable dogs are being used.




House of Horrors investigators 'will bring in cadaver dogs to look for the remains of MORE children and order DNA testing on the couple's victims'

Cops are reportedly considering using cadaver dogs to determine if there are remains of any more children at the house of horrors
DNA testing may be ordered to confirm that the Turpin children are related

The 13 continue to recover in area hospitals and experts say some of the children didn't even know what a police officer was
David Turpin, 56, and Louise Turpin, 49, have pleaded not guilty to multiple counts of torture, child abuse, dependent adult abuse and false imprisonment


Published: 07:17, 21 January 2018 | Updated: 08:47, 21 January 2018

More on the link below........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293719/cadaver-dogs-aid-House-Horrors-investigation.html




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Post  dogs don't lie on Sun 21 Jan 2018, 1:11 pm

And to think GM had the b@lls to state cadaver dogs were unreliable, even though they're used in the medical profession also!

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Post  candyfloss on Wed 22 Aug 2018, 6:25 pm




Those wonderful, but 'unreliable' dogs do their job yet again...……..


Irish family offers tearful thanks to Calgary-based canine search team that recovered son's body


David Gavin, 26, drowned in June 2017 after diving from a bridge near Golden, B.C.


Colleen Underwood · CBC News · Posted: Aug 21, 2018 8:43 PM MT | Last Updated: 4 hours ago


The family of an Irish football player who drowned in a B.C. lake last year returned to Canada this week to express thanks to the organization that helped them finally bring their loved one home.

David Gavin, 26, was swimming with friends on June 30, 2017 when he jumped off a bridge near the Kinbasket Lake Resort, north of Golden, and disappeared.

His family immediately flew to Canada to help in the search but were unsuccessful. They returned twice more to search before a volunteer and his dog recovered Gavin's body north of Revelstoke, B.C. — nearly a year after Gavin went missing.

The dog, Koda, is one of only a handful of so-called cadaver dogs in Canada. He and his handler are members of the Calgary-area volunteer group, the Canadian Canine Search Corps.

Gavin's partner, Caira O'Malley, said bringing him home to Ireland provided peace of mind for her and Gavin's family. Now, they want to give back in the hopes of helping other families faced with a similar tragedy.

"If it wasn't for them we would never had got closure," said O'Malley who was flanked by Gavin's father, mother and sister. They flew to Calgary to meet with the search team and donate an undisclosed amount to further their efforts.

"It would have been very hard even to go back to work or just do normal things because it would be in our head, we need to, we should be looking for David," she said. "I suppose if they can help other people with the money we give them, that's amazing and that's what David would want."

Gavin's father said the family received generous donations through a GoFundMe account that went toward paying for dive teams and other costs involved in the search.

The remainder is being split between a search team in Ireland and the Canadian Canine Search Corps, which was started by Calgary firefighter Karen Somerville.





Koda and his handler Brian Harmes are volunteers with the Canadian Canine Search Corps. (Canadian Canine Search Corps)

Somerville said since forming the organization two years ago, it's conducted five searches and made two finds.

"This one was pretty special," she said. "The Gavin family are so wonderful and supportive of our organization and of each other, and that is so important to see. It really helps inspire us to continue doing what we do."

Somerville formed the search team, which trains and certifies dogs to detect human remains, because she saw an unmet need among desperate families.

"It's a feeling of accomplishment and at the same time it's heartbreak," she said.

"When you talk to the family and you are giving them this news, and you know that it's what they want to hear, but at the same time it's pretty devastating."

And she said the money will go toward buying equipment and providing further training.

"We get to pay it forward, we get to take this money and we get to help others," said Somerville.


"I always think it's like David sent them to us for a tiny bit of healing'

- Caira O'Malley, David Gavin's partner

The family plans to visit the spot where Gavin drowned. The group will also meet with others who volunteered their time in the search while they are in Canada for the next few weeks.

"I always think it's like David sent them to us for a tiny bit of healing nearly because people were so giving and caring and loving toward us. It was nearly like they were trying to help us along the way," said O'Malley.

The family is also hoping this donation will encourage others to give, too, to the Canadian Canine Search Corps.

"They put an enormous amount of volunteer time into search and rescue to help families like ourselves, to find their loved ones, and I think they need all the funding they can get," said Gavin's father, Michael Gavin.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/david-gavin-canadian-canine-search-corps-thanks-1.4794125



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Post  poster on Thu 23 Aug 2018, 9:31 am

The dogs were the McCanns downfall, imo, and I am sure the opinion of many others.

Early search and rescue dogs became very agitated outside a nearby empty apartment 5J and rather than following the route as reported by the press - a more logical exit route for an 'abductor' and one that would fit in with Tanner-man, the dogs went in an anti-clockwise direction, circling the whole apartment block - becoming agitated at apartment 5A - before exiting via the Tapas entrance (I think?) to a car-park opposite. This route would rule out Tanner-man but I think would be indicative of an 'insider job' as surely no abductor worth his or her salt would take such a risky direction? This route - which was the route that the Portuguese police reported that the early search and rescue dogs took - might indicate the need for a hiding place within the block and then possibly the need for members of the group and/or their friends to exit the OC via a well-trodden route, perhaps with a body to a getaway car.

It seems unlikely that the McCanns would have given a genuine piece of clothing or bedding impregnated with Madeleine's scent with police as the indications are that the McCanns and their friends did not really actively search for Madeleine and in fact felt 'helpless'. This would indicate they knew nothing could be done to find an alive Madeleine.

However did the early search and rescue dogs find a scent that was unusual? Not the one, according to Portuguese police, that they were trained to find, but nevertheless one that they felt compelled to follow and become agitated around?

Later on, of course, we know that  highly trained and highly respected cadaver dogs were sent onto the scene. This was in the summer but even months after the alleged abduction the dogs responded to a number of places which were connected with the McCanns and their friends and which would indicate that the parents themselves might have known about the death and been involved in trying to conceal the body. Which we know is what Dr Amaral thought although he went as far as to state he believed Madeleine died in an accident and the parents and friends concealed the body and faked an abduction.

We know from media interview and Kate's book 'of the truth' that both Gerry and Kate went to great lengths to discredit the findings of the dogs, even finding the odd case where the dogs had been 'wrong'.

There are many examples, imo, of the McCanns and their friends attempting to provide reasons (or possibly attempting to provide evidence?) as to why dogs might have alerted to blood or cadaver or noticed strange scents or suspicious odours. For instance the dirty nappies in the car; the rotting meat in the car; Sean developing a taste for sea bass; a child having a nosebleed in the apartment; a carpenter cutting himself in the apartment (really? Is this true?); a tray of food left outside apartment 5J; an fridge with an open door inside apartment 5J with rotting food inside or nearby; the car boot door left open at night and so on.  Why this obsessive need to discredit the dogs findings at every turn?

The McCanns and some of their friends are medically trained but they are not experts in dog training. I think this was their achilles' heel all along and I feel sure that the police will have been well aware of this.

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 23 Aug 2018, 9:56 am

Reference article to above post where McCanns tried to discredit dogs in Zapata case which of course turned out that the dogs were right!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482105/Madeleine-McCanns-consult-American-lawyers-cadaver-dog-evidence.html


Also Auntie Philomena's rather daft comment about the dogs...…….


"What are they Lassie? -They could be barking at anything."?


That was Philomena McCann's discription of the cadaver dogs used in the Algarve.
Please tell me what you think of this very interesting article entitled "Sniffer Dogs used to seek Madeleine prove again their effectiveness -- SNIFFER DOGS THAT MADE THE FIND"
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080226012518AA0PXzX

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Post  Freedom on Thu 23 Aug 2018, 11:33 am

Would anyone want to be taught by a teacher who made such a stupid remark as Philomena McCann?!
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Post  poster on Fri 24 Aug 2018, 7:03 pm

Freedom wrote:Would anyone want to be taught by a teacher who made such a stupid remark as Philomena McCann?!

The family did come up with some corkers and who can forget brother John's giddy excitement upon giving up his job to help run the Fund set up allegedly to find Madeleine?

I have long been curious about the Gorrods who were staying at Ocean Club that week and who were friends with Jane and Russell, living very close to them in Exeter.

The friends met in Luz on the Sunday of that fateful week and it is on record that the Gorrods hired a car that week.

What is of particular interest is that police flagged up a phone-call (or text?) made by Jane Tanner to Mrs Gorrod at rather a crucial time on Thursday evening. This was at the time when the couple would have been getting ready for dinner and making their way to the dinner-table that evening. An odd time to be contacting friends who they were not dining with, imo?

Under police questioning, it appears that Jane was prepared to admit to contact with her friend on the Friday (apparently to tell the Gorrods that they couldn't make their birthday party that day) but it seems that police were obliged to jog her memory about phone contact with the pair on the Wednesday evening. It would seem that Jane wished to conceal this particular phone contact.

it is also on record from media interviews that the Gorrods claimed they were happy to speak to Portuguese police but they did not contact them. This seems unlikely and in any event surely it should have been the Gorrods contacting the Portuguese police themselves, given that Jane Tanner was apparently contacting them at a very crucial time on Thursday evening. Given these circumstances, would you not expect the Gorrods to be speaking to Portuguese police at the first opportunity?

All very curious. The Gorrod's hire car was also the subject of discussion.

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