The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

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Post  candyfloss on Thu 10 Mar 2016, 9:19 am

Have split the posts from the other thread.



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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  chirpyinsect on Thu 10 Mar 2016, 11:48 am

Does anyone know if there was also another window in the parent's room? As in not a patio door.

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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  Andrew on Thu 10 Mar 2016, 12:04 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:Does anyone know if there was also another window in the parent's room? As in not a patio door.

Nope - just the one.
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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  poster on Thu 10 Mar 2016, 6:16 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Anyone remember what day the shutters in 5As master bedroom [where cadaver odor was detected] had to be repaired?
From witness statement of Luis Ferro maintenance man.

Questioned, the deponent states that in the scope of his functions and the day before the disappearance of the child, he only came into contact with the mother of the same, whose name he does not know;
. This happened on Tuesday, the first of May, in the sequence of a service that he had to carry out in the apartment where this family was staying, also known as Block G5, Letter A;
. This serviced was carried out between 10H00 and 11H00, together with his colleague who is named Mario, and consisted of the repair of a blind in the room of the parents of the minor;
. In this sequence, the deponent and his colleague also taught the mother of the child how to operate the washing machine;

ETA should have read thread to the end questioned already answered.
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I had always assumed that the washing machine and the window shutter were sensitive (and I do believe they are!) and it was for this reason that Kate records the maintenance men arriving to fix the shutters and show her how to operate the washing machine.

But, given that Tuesday appears to be a significant day in terms of what might have happened that week (the tennis ball photo/the beach trip in the rain/the timelines are messy etc) I am wondering if it was important for the McCanns to have an alibi for Tuesday morning? Allowing two maintenance men access to apartment 5A on Tuesday morning would indicate, perhaps, that there was a desire to demonstrate to independent witnesses that all was well inside apartment 5A and nothing untoward had happened that week.

When, possibly, that was not the case.

A cleaner also has access to, and cleans, apartment 5A on both Monday and Wednesday.

She remembers that when she entered Apartment A on the Wednesday, the parents were inside. After being duly authorized, she entered and carried out her work, because they were already on their way out. While she was in the apartment, there were no children there, and she supposed that they were in the creche. While performing her work, she remembers having noticed that the couple was sleeping in the room located opposite the entrance, where she confirmed the presence of a child's bed (crib). The room gives onto an outdoor garden by means of a terrace, as it is on the ground floor,. In the room next to the entrance to the apartment there was a bed placed next to the wall (where she supposed the missing child slept), and also the second child's bed (crib). All these beds were untidy at the time, meaning that they had been used. She also declares that in the room next to the entrance was another bed that had not been used.

It's interesting that Kate and Gerry are still inside the apartment when the cleaner arrives. Everything happens for a reason so I am wondering whether - rather like the arrival of the maintenance men on Tuesday when Kate was in the apartment - it was important that an independent eye-witness should see both parents together inside the apartment on Wednesday morning. This would serve as an alibi, if necessary, and would also serve to 'prove' that all was well inside apartment 5A on Wednesday and nothing untoward had happened. When, again, this might not have been the case.

We know from the cleaner's rogatory that on Wednesday morning there was a cot in Kate and Gerry's bedroom. Which obviously suggests that one of the twins had slept there the previous Tuesday night. However Kate does not mention this in her book. She states that in the early hours of Tuesday morning Madeleine came through to their bedroom complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her. "...we let Madeleine jump into bed with us," Kate writes.

I think this little cameo might be a deliberate deception to 'prove' that all was well with Madeleine on Tuesday evening. When it wasn't. It could also, of course, be a 'cover' in order to provide an innocent explanation for the crying as overheard by neighbour Mrs Fenn on Tuesday evening. Albeit Mrs Fenn heard crying earlier in the evening.(But confusion is good of course...).

We also know from the cleaner's rogatory that on Wednesday morning the bed next to the wall in the children's bedroom (where she supposed Madeleine had slept) was messy. As was the second cot. Which of course suggests that both had been slept in.

Given that I suspect that poor little Madeleine had already come to grief by Wednesday morning, I think it highly unlikely that she would have slept in that bed on Tuesday night.  I suspect it was on Tuesday night - not Wednesday night as claimed by Kate in her book - that Kate and Gerry had a row. And on Tuesday night Kate stormed off and slept in Madeleine's bed with one of the twins (probably Amelie).

I suspect that on this night Gerry slept in the adult bedroom with Sean in his cot in the same bedroom.

Something had happened by then, imo, and it was tantamount that the twins be protected from what was going on.

Of course, Tuesday night is the night that neighbour Mrs Fenn reported hearing anguished crying coming from apartment 5A for an hour and a quarter - from 10.30pm until 11.45pm. Tuesday night was also, apparently, quiz night. Although no record of this exists either in Kate or Gerry's statements (yet the Tapas members mention it in their rogatories when prompted) or in Kate's book.

ETA: Sunday night was also quiz night, apparently.


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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  poster on Sat 12 Mar 2016, 4:59 pm

If something had happened to Madeleine earlier in the week, then the McCanns (and their friends) had the (very difficult indeed, imo) task of concealing whatever it was that might have happened.

We know not just from Kate's book (which obviously can not be taken as gospel Shocked ) but also from the police statements that on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday staff from OC entered apartment 5A. In other words independent eye-witnesses (one assumes...) entered the McCann apartment on those three (possibly vital) days.

A cleaner went in to clean apartment 5A on Monday and Wednesday.

And two maintenance men went in to apartment 5A on Tuesday to repair blinds and to show Kate how to use the washing machine.

So, if it is true that something had already happened by Monday (the 'forgotten' day) and that the events of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are heavily staged (as they do appear to be) then how did any concealment take place? Given that the apartment was entered on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday by staff at OC?

(With regards to events of Monday, media reports not long after Madeleine's disappearance claimed that the McCanns had been in Sagres on Monday but this was never confirmed or even mentioned by the McCanns. Another oddity - what was going on on Monday?)
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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  Heisenburg on Sat 12 Mar 2016, 6:40 pm

poster wrote:
We know not just from Kate's book (which obviously can not be taken as gospel Shocked ) but also from the police statements that on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday staff from OC entered apartment 5A. In other words independent eye-witnesses (one assumes...) entered the McCann apartment on those three (possibly vital) days.

A cleaner went in to clean apartment 5A on Monday and Wednesday.

And two maintenance men went in to apartment 5A on Tuesday to repair blinds and to show Kate how to use the washing machine.

So, if it is true that something had already happened by Monday (the 'forgotten' day) and that the events of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are heavily staged (as they do appear to be) then how did any concealment take place? Given that the apartment was entered on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday by staff at OC?


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Another thing that bugs is,that the apartment was or could have been cleaned using bleach to destroy dna etc,the cleaner never mentioned or indeed the maintenance man a smell of bleach did they?
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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  poster on Sun 13 Mar 2016, 2:21 pm

Quite likely, imo, that a body was hidden nearby in an empty apartment for a day or two while it was decided what to do. I agree about the cleaning process. It would be interesting to have heard more from the cleaner about what products were used. How and where she cleaned the apartment. Whether the washing machine was being used or whether there was any laundry hanging out to dry. Surely the Portuguese police would have asked probing questions in this respect? All this could provide vital clues as to what happened that week and when.
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Re: The repair of the blinds in the master bedroom

Post  joyce1938 on Sun 13 Mar 2016, 3:36 pm

When Mr Amaral was asked was all the casfiles released ,he said NO SOME HAVE BEEN held back. So many things are stillavailable to use in court ,is my thinking,would not do for everything to be out there.joyce1938
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