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Well done Sofa.

Appalling stance by the powers that be, over there. What an embarrassment. Even PM is an expert now.

I just deleted the rest of my post. They are not worth it.

Hi Sofa I spend a lot of time in France. Welcome to sanity

May I also say Welcome to you Sofa, good to have you here.

Sofa, you posted (over there) a very well reasoned point about the generalisations being made about many innocent people, just because they happen to be the same religion as the perpetrators of the heinous acts carried out by terrorists in Paris. Simultaneously, some posters proved you to be correct by attacking you, and trying to negate your arguments purely because you are yourself of that faith. You couldn't make it up.

Welcome Sofa

Ha! I've got luxury leather sofas popping up as an appropriate ad, now!

Welcome, Sofa. Well done for speaking up "over there". The venom and hatred of their (particularly TB's and aquila's) recent posts is disgusting, inflammatory, and oh-so blinkered, and, in my opinion, has no place anywhere in a civil society.

sofa wrote:Just decided to stop on Jill havern as I felt this forum has some incredible discriminating post on a specific community and I feel that I did not want to be identified with it anymore. I hope I will be welcome here!

Hi Sofa and a big welcome from me too

I'm just catching up reading the thread in the other place, and astonished is my first reaction!  Well done you in putting forward your opinion so eloquently and rationally in the face of such ignorance and prejudice.  The little englanders are out in force and once more giving the impression that we are a nation of small minded shopkeepers.

I find it so difficult to comprehend the reasoning behind the pure hatred that these people have for anything alien to themselves, they don't understand it, therefore it must be hated and shooed away from the rest of the tribe.  Their God (who no-one can see) is bigger and more powerful than the aliens' God (who no-one can see), so someone among the righteous (the larger group) rallies the troops and we have war!

I used to be anti-theist, because the idea of worshipping someone unseen is absurd, and because all the atrocities committed in the name of 'my God is bigger than your God' are some form of manmade evil that goes beyond my comprehension.  In my opinion every society needs a religion to keep the population in check and threatening them with an eternity burning in hell usually does the trick.  

I do however respect the right of people to hold beliefs, its a tough old life and who and what can we turn to in our darkest hours if we have no God?  Religion also provides a community and social interaction for those who might otherwise be isolated, it gives a sense of belonging - its the excluding bit that I find distasteful. Some people turn to booze and drugs, some take their woes to a higher power, whatever gets you through the night, say I.  However, its when 'a few' start to insist that everyone share their beliefs that sticks in my craw, or indeed when they demand that the rest of us respect these manmade deities to the point of insanity. They are asking, neigh demanding, that we give the cuddly toy a kiss goodnight and treat it as part of the family as if we were trying to get a 4 year old off to sleep.

Those demanding that 'The State' protect their deities from ridicule have been around since the first group of wannabe alpha males got together and made a plan to take control.  Its a tribal thing.  The majority of Muslims are peace loving, family loving, community loving, citizens, just like their Christian and Jewish counterparts.  

What people take offence at, is a very personal thing, it comes from the heart.  The only way in which I can explain it, is to compare it to the way we respond if anyone (outside of the family) criticizes or attacks our children.  We are overtaken by ferocious desire to kill, well I am lol, that is beyond our control. It is a primevil response that bypasses logic and rational.  Some people are able to take the ferocity aroused and apply it to a cause and a God, but its usually for self aggrandisement purposes.  Mr. Bennett is a typical example, in having a 'cause' Mr. Bennett is not seen as promoting himself, it is something for him to hide behind.  His xenophobia stems not from a need to protect his family and his community, but rather from his need to be seen as doing so.  

Imo, the fury he is using, is driving him insane, he has enemies approaching on every front.  He has jumped on the Charlie Hebdo bandwagon, but once again, he has jumped on the wrong bandwagon.  He misreads public opinion, and has taken the actions of a few to a condemn the many, and in doing so he has drawn others out of the woodwork.  I have to smile at the irony of Tony fighting for Free Speech, try speaking freely on Haverns and see where it gets you!  Like the McCanns, its the very last thing he wants!    

As you rightly pointed out Sofa, these lunatics represent no-one, other than similarly minded lunatics.  Birds of a feather and all that, and perfectly illustrated on forums such as Stop the Myths and now Jill Haverns.  Surprised at how few spoke up for you, and once more disappointed that the otherwise intelligent poster Petermac is so deeply entrenched in such prejudiced thinking.  Sadly, I think he is greatly influenced by his background and ideas that once dominated police thinking.  

But I digress, it seems the Christian soldiers are out in force over there Sofa, and you never really stood a chance.  Common sense, reason and logic is usually followed by a ban.  I hope they haven't banned you, because at the moment you are way ahead in the polls, and defeating their arguments hands down  

Hi Sofa

Welcome

sofa wrote:Thank you Deecoy, I have faith in the majority of British people, this why I chose to live here.

Oh sorry Sofa just see you live in Britain so are you French born but live in UK? Even more admirable that you travelled to France for the march if so.

Just stay away from there Sofa, there are only a few zealots on there now and only one opinion is allowed, same as on MM. And we all know what happens with a restricted gene pool.

The above post turned into a blog with a prominent link to here

I don't expect any response from CMoMM they only listen to one point of view, and we may as well ask them to convert to Islam as think outside of the box

Hello to everybody.

I joined a few weeks ago and have just got round to saying hello.

That's me all over - always a bit late in joining the party.

Hi and welcome Guinea Pig,  -  sweet avatar, think that is a gremlin though not a guinea pig

Hello G.P. 

I had a G.P 30 years ago and got murdered by a rat.

My dog at the time got the rat though.

Ta

Hello and welcome GP.

I'm often late too, usually because I'm looking in the wrong direction.

Hello too FM's. I haven't drifted away from the fórum, much as Mr.B might wish - I'm still trying to arrange my house purchase in Wales. It's taken so much longer than I imagined it would but I think and believe it will happen in April now. I've discovered patience that I never knew I was capable of but when you want something you go all out to make it happen.


I don't join in the discussions because I have nothing new to add but I stick around.


ETA.  Plus I hardly ever look at my photo albums so I love looking at my late cat's face looking at me in my avatar!

I'm camera shy so have chosen a new avatar of a distant relative who's a bit more like me than a gremlin.

Hi Guinea Pig
I like both of your avatars.

I did give the rat a proper burial though.

... And of course the G.P.

Hello everyone...nice to be somewhere you can agree to disagree. And having followed cmomm nice to see the more sensible posters are on here

mad world wrote:Hello everyone...nice to be somewhere you can agree to disagree. And having followed cmomm nice to see the more sensible posters are on here

Hi mad world. Nice to have you here. We don`t always agree here either but it remains civilised thanks to good moderating. I look forward to hearing your theories.

Thank you chirpyinsect..i'm sure i'll be on my soapbox soon!

mad world wrote:Hello everyone...nice to be somewhere you can agree to disagree. And having followed cmomm nice to see the more sensible posters are on here

Hi and

Hope the avatar is ok.

I'm on a rubbish phone..i'm sure its finr.

It certainly is a mad world out there.

Welcome and enjoy.