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Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:13 am

Andrew wrote:No idea where to put this tweet but here will do:

Mark Williams-Thomas‏Verified account @mwilliamsthomas 4h4 hours ago
No clear evidence yet in UK that Cadaver dogs work. It was humans that alerted & smelt Tia Sharps remains - not the dogs. Useful aid though

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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:15 am

Yeah and he sat there interviewing Hazel and didn't know.. the dogs were brought in on the Friday the day Tia's body was found.  They had gone in earlier and the handler said he sniffed up at the loft but he thought it to dangerous to get the dog up there.  That is what I read in the paper.

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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  candyfloss on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:20 am

Here it is, can someone on twitter show the daft sod - chew on that MWT!!! .......



Police Missed Tia Sharp's Body Twice In Loft


Scotland Yard apologised to Tia's family after it took a week to discover her body hidden in the loft of her grandmother's home.


12:32, UK,
Monday 13 May 2013  




The Search Continues For Missing Schoolgirl Tia Sharp

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Tia Sharp's body was found in the loft of her grandmother's home

Police officers twice missed Tia Sharp's body hidden in the loft of her grandmother's home and were only alerted because of the smell of decomposition.





Tia's body was found wrapped in a sheet and layers of plastic in the loft of her grandmother's home on August 10 last year, a week after she went missing.

Detectives had already carried out two searches in the upstairs of Christine Sharp's house, before the 12-year-old was finally found on the third attempt.

A police constable first went into the loft on August 4, climbing up on a stool balanced on a chair.

He said: "I was searching for a missing girl and from what I could see the loft seemed very clear. I thought 'she is not hiding in here'."

The following day a specialist search team came in and one officer said he would have recognised the smell of a decomposing body if it had been apparent.



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Two police dogs detected something in the loft before Tia's body was found


His colleague said he took about 25 minutes to search the loft, including moving black bags around that the team believed were too light to contain anything significant.

Later, a search dog was brought to the house in New Addington, south London, and indicated that there was something above one of the bedrooms, but the animal was too large to take into the loft.


On August 10 a detective noticed the smell of decomposition in the house, which Ms Sharp mistakenly thought was cat faeces.

Another dog also indicated that something might be in the loft of the house and Tia's body was then found, wrapped in a sheet and bin bags and sealed with Sellotape.

Detective Constable Daniel Chatfield, who found Tia's body as he and a crime scene manager searched the loft, said: "The loft was extremely confined, it was very hot and quite chaotic, so there were a lot of boxes and bags around the hatch entrances which needed to be moved in order to search further into the loft.



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Hazell denied any involvement in Tia's disappearance during the search

"After about 10 minutes my colleague Mr Langley had alerted me to what he believed to be the body of Tia."

In the wake of Tia's death, Scotland Yard apologised to her family that it had taken so long to find her.

During the search for the missing girl, Hazell - a convicted drug dealer - denied abducting her and said she was "like my own daughter".

At the time, he was the partner of Tia's grandmother.

He said at the time: "My previous has got nothing to do with it. Everyone's got a shady past.

"Did I do anything to Tia? No I bloody didn't. I'd never think of that."




Hazell said he and Tia had been alone at the home he shared with Ms Sharp on the Thursday night and Friday morning when she disappeared.

On the Friday he said she left the house at 12.10pm, having previously told him she wanted to buy some new shoes.

She did not take her mobile phone, which was charging, or a travel card and had no bag when she left.

Hazell broke down as he spoke, supported by Tia's uncle David Sharp.

Both wore white "Find Tia" T-shirts and a large picture of the schoolgirl was pinned to the wall behind them.

Hazell said he felt people were "pointing the finger" at him because he had been the last person to see her.

Hazell said: "I know deep down in my heart that Tia walked out of my house.

"I know she was seen walking down the pathway, she made her way down that track. What happened after that. I don't know."

After his arrest, he wrote to his father, Keith Hazell, from prison insisting Tia's death was an accident and he had hidden her body after he panicked.

In the letter, he also begged for forgiveness and said he had considered killing himself while on remand.

He denied any sexual motive, but the Old Bailey heard Hazell searched the internet looking for pornographic pictures of young girls on his phone.

Two memory cards were found in the house which contained "extensive pornography", including some of under-age girls as well as images of Tia and video footage filmed secretly.

Prosecutors also claimed Hazell took a photograph of Tia lying on her bed shortly after she died on August 3.

Forensic evidence suggested a "small, heavy" stain of Tia's blood was found on a belt belonging to Hazell.

Two areas of possible semen stains were also found on the floor of Tia's bedroom - one of which matched Hazell's DNA.

http://news.sky.com/story/police-missed-tia-sharps-body-twice-in-loft-10445951

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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Inca on Tue 02 May 2017, 11:26 am

How can he diss the dogs, how did he get to be a commentator, the man knows nought!
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Andrew on Tue 02 May 2017, 2:33 pm

I didn't spot this before but someone else I just noticed has pulled him up on it:

Mark Williams-Thomas‏Verified account @mwilliamsthomas 21h21 hours ago
Ex detective Gonçalo Amoral makes another totally ridiculous claim.That Madeleine McCann was cremated in a coffin. http://dailym.ai/2qmVCNZ


... That's how all the pathetic internet shills spell his name.

In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this clown is one of them.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  poster on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 1:14 pm

Detectives had already carried out two searches in the upstairs of Christine Sharp's house, before the 12-year-old was finally found on the third attempt.

A police constable first went into the loft on August 4, climbing up on a stool balanced on a chair.

He said: "I was searching for a missing girl and from what I could see the loft seemed very clear. I thought 'she is not hiding in here'."

The following day a specialist search team came in and one officer said he would have recognised the smell of a decomposing body if it had been apparent.



Police dog

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Two police dogs detected something in the loft before Tia's body was found

His colleague said he took about 25 minutes to search the loft, including moving black bags around that the team believed were too light to contain anything significant.


I just don't understand how detectives could have twice searched the loft and found nothing. This doesn't make sense to me.
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The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  poster on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 1:26 pm

A police constable first went into the loft on August 4, climbing up on a stool balanced on a chair.

He said: "I was searching for a missing girl and from what I could see the loft seemed very clear. I thought 'she is not hiding in here'."

The following day a specialist search team came in and one officer said he would have recognised the smell of a decomposing body if it had been apparent.


A 'specialist search team' managed to miss a body in the loft? How difficult would it be to find a body in a loft?

Sorry, but there is something about this story that doesn't add up. Why on earth did it take a week to find Tia's body?
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Freedom on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 10:58 pm

I've given this case its own topic now. The previous posts were on the capability of the dogs topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tia_Sharp
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Freedom on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 7:59 pm

I can't imagine that there will be anything new but there's a programme tonight on Channel 5 at 21.00 about the case.
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Post  Freedom on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 10:46 pm

Here's the link for those who can access it.

https://www.my5.tv/the-murder-of-tia-sharp-my-daughter/season-1/the-murder-of-tia-sharp-5-years-on

There were interviews with Tia's father Steven so it was a bit different in that respect but otherwise it was the same old same old and the repetition of names and details nearly had me throwing things at the TV.

The prize joker Mark Williams Thomas was there saying that he doesn't know how on earth the police didn't find the body earlier. How he never noticed anything amiss doesn't seem to have occurred to him.

There were clips from his interviews with Stuart Hazell and we were told several times that most of them had never been shown before. There was absolutely nothing that I hadn't already seen.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  chrissie on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 10:24 am

I watched it but Mark Williams Thomas made me want to chuck something at the telly!
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Freedom on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 10:27 am

I wonder why!

For me though, the repetitive presentation was even more annoying. The programme could easily have been cut from an hour and a half to an hour with nothing substantial omitted.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  chrissie on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 11:01 am

Same here. It was nothing new apart from hearing her father speak. An hour and a half was definitely too long.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  candyfloss on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 11:07 am

Agree same old, however the cadaver dog, they called a body recovery dog, was mentioned in a good light, and we were informed that although the body was not found on the occasion when the dog was taken in that day, it did signal.....

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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  poster on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 10:26 am

Well, it is very odd indeed that the body was not found earlier. Also, there are conflicting reports on the state of the attic. AT the time of the first inspection the police officer describes it as 'clear' which suggests there wasn't much in there and it was obvious that there could not be a body there. Whereas at the time that the body was found the attic is described as 'chaotic' and boxes and other items had to be moved in order to gain access and search.

So how come within the space of days the attic went from being 'clear' to being 'chaotic'. There is much that does not stack up about this case, imo.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Freedom on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 10:41 am

This is a big "if" of course, but if it is true what Mark Williams Thomas said, that the body was within touching distance as you stood at the entrance to the attic, then the only thing I can think of is that it was not there right from the start.

Could the neighbour who lied about seeing Tia leave the house have been involved in hiding the body? I know that it seems unlikely though.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  chrissie on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:11 am

I think it's a possibility that he knew something. That or it was pure attention seeking.
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Post  Freedom on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:24 am

I don't think that it was ever said why the neighbour lied - it would be interesting to know what made him decide to do it, unless, as you say Chrissie, he was just an attention seeker.
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Post  Châtelaine on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:25 am

If I understood correctly at the time, the attics of these houses had no separation walls. So it might well have been possible the body was moved ...
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Post  Freedom on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:41 am

I think I heard that too. So it is possible that the body could have been in the neighbour's attic without him even knowing about it.

It would be an extremely risky thing to do though.
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  chrissie on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 11:54 am

Again a possibility as not many people go in their attics that often but you would have thought the police would have checked both as they weren't separated
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Châtelaine on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 12:06 pm

If you want to get away with murder, you have to take some risks...
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  chrissie on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 12:37 pm

Châtelaine wrote:If you want to get away with murder, you have to take some risks...

Very true!!
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Re: The murder of Tia Sharp

Post  Freedom on Fri 15 Sep 2017, 10:40 pm

There are quite a few posts about this case on the Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories topic, if anyone is interested.

I'll leave them there, rather than transferring them here, as they mention other cases too.
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