Sun article - EIGHT YEARS ON, HOW 'SUPER SLEUTH' FAILED THE McCANNS plus Express and Sun Articles

dogs don't lie wrote:Unless the English looking man in the car backed out, smithman could become very real.
IMO

Despite the costly Scotland Yard and Portuguese police investigation, the Sunday Express found that key witnesses have still not been spoken to.

Jenny Murat, 78, the mother of wrongly accused Robert Murat, has potentially breakthrough evidence but no one has spoken to her. At 8pm on May 3, 2007, she went to a supermarket and then drove past Apartment 5a and saw a woman hanging around. Her notes from the time say: “There was a woman standing on the corner under a lamp post.

“I don’t remember much of her other than she was of slight build and was wearing a plum coloured jacket. She moved around the lamp post as if trying not to be noticed.”

As she turned into the driveway of her home, Casa Liliana, she was nearly hit by a car going the wrong way. “When I stopped to open the gates I could not see the car but the woman was in the road looking in my direction.”

Still relating to the facts which occurred on the evening of 03 May 2007, the deponent states that on that night she was at home with her son Robert. They followed their normal routine: About 19h50 she went to the "Batista" supermarket to buy bread. Then she went back to the house where she arrived more or less at the same time as Robert. Later they sat in the kitchen where they were talking for some time, having also eaten. She recalls that they were talking until close to midnight about Robert'™s project, related to the property and called 'Romigen.Com". Finally they went to their bedrooms to pass the night.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;
Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

Jenny Murat, 78, the mother of wrongly accused Robert Murat, has potentially breakthrough evidence but no one has spoken to her. At 8pm on May 3, 2007, she went to a supermarket and then drove past Apartment 5a and saw a woman hanging around. Her notes from the time say: “There was a woman standing on the corner under a lamp post.

“I don’t remember much of her other than she was of slight build and was wearing a plum coloured jacket. She moved around the lamp post as if trying not to be noticed.”

Still relating to the facts which occurred on the evening of 03 May 2007, the deponent states that on that night she was at home with her son Robert. They followed their normal routine: About 19h50 she went to the "Batista" supermarket to buy bread. Then she went back to the house where she arrived more or less at the same time as Robert. Later they sat in the kitchen where they were talking for some time, having also eaten. She recalls that they were talking until close to midnight about Robert'™s project, related to the property and called 'Romigen.Com". Finally they went to their bedrooms to pass the night.
--- Asked, she explains that while they were talking in the kitchen, she is not able to say when, she recalls having heard a siren ringing at least once. Although not usual, she also did not "connect" because it could possibly have been an ambulance. (She recalls that sometimes, when the wind blows in a certain direction, it is possible to hear in the house sirens of police cars or ambulances that pass on the EN125).

He said farewell to them in the VW and headed for his residence, where he arrived between 19.15 and 19.30. He parked the VW in front of the house and entered. He does not know if his mother was at home, but thinks so because it was late for her to walk the dogs, as they usually leave at 17:00 and return at 19.00. After entering, he may have taken some tea and turned on the TV or it was already on. He may also have read a newspaper. He talked with the mother, who if she was not there had arrived shortly afterwards, about Romigen. He ate a sandwich of cheese and ham sitting in the kitchen with his mother, until 22:00 or 23:00. Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA when she went to a Jehovah witnesses' meeting between 20:00 and 22:00, which is why he didn't phone her, because she turns her phone off. He does not know if he called her after 22:00, but accepts that possibility. He does not remember having used the computer. He was home with his mother, when at 22:30 or a little later, he heard a siren of an ambulance or police. He commented on that with his mother, however, did not leave the house to investigate. He did not leave again until the morning, having gone to bed around midnight.

Dee Coy wrote:"The slim, Portuguese-looking woman in a plum-coloured top and white skirt with long, dark, swept-back hair acted furtively when she was spotted at 8pm on May 3 in 2007..."

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Sorry for straying off-topic but would like to illustrate how busy the OC must have been on the evening of 3rd May versus how "quiet" and "dead" a lot of witness statements claim.

Jenny Murat - Claims to have seen a woman in purple at 20:00 on the opposite corner of 5A.

Raj Balu and Neil Berry - Claim they went to the Tapas Restaurant for a takeaway at 19:45-20:00 and returning to the Berry apartment at 20:15-20:30.

Kate and Gerry - Claim to have left 5A for Tapas at 20:30-20:35.

Jeremy Wilkins- Claims to have left his apartment to take his boy for a walk in his pushchair at 20:15-20:30.

This is just a small sample of people. Add in other guests' movements and the Tapas 7 ect.. and the place was a buzzing circus between 19:00 - 22:00. Far from quiet. Yet none of the above seemed to see each other.

Seicento wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Sorry for straying off-topic but would like to illustrate how busy the OC must have been on the evening of 3rd May versus how "quiet" and "dead" a lot of witness statements claim.

Jenny Murat - Claims to have seen a woman in purple at 20:00 on the opposite corner of 5A.

Raj Balu and Neil Berry - Claim they went to the Tapas Restaurant for a takeaway at 19:45-20:00 and returning to the Berry apartment at 20:15-20:30.

Kate and Gerry - Claim to have left 5A for Tapas at 20:30-20:35.

Jeremy Wilkins- Claims to have left his apartment to take his boy for a walk in his pushchair at 20:15-20:30.

This is just a small sample of people. Add in other guests' movements and the Tapas 7 ect.. and the place was a buzzing circus between 19:00 - 22:00. Far from quiet. Yet none of the above seemed to see each other.

It would be hard to believe that Operation Grange never arrived at the same conclusions.

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

This is just a small sample of people. Add in other guests' movements and the Tapas 7 ect.. and the place was a buzzing circus between 19:00 - 22:00. Far from quiet. Yet none of the above seemed to see each other.

PeterMac wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

This is just a small sample of people. Add in other guests' movements and the Tapas 7 ect.. and the place was a buzzing circus between 19:00 - 22:00. Far from quiet. Yet none of the above seemed to see each other.

Freedom wrote:I like that - I'm happy to be that sort of troll!

I don't remember reading this before. Apparently, according to our glorious prime minister (though possibly he won't be after tomorrow), those who don't believe official versions of events are condoning terrorism.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=104575

AndyB wrote:
Exactly. "Non-violent extremists", "vile trolls", "sickos"; its all part of an agenda to shut down free speech on the internet and silence those who refuse to accept the official line. The government and their toadies in the press want their monopoly on information back

Seicento wrote:Are you sure you're not Richard D Hall, a little bit in disguise?