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Post  Winslow Boy on Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Freedom wrote:I shall have a read up of the case, thank you.

There doesn't appear to be any proof so far of Mrs Black's claims as far as I can see. I certainly agree with this:

"I'm disappointed with the way the law is at the moment, that allows people to make outrageous statements untested after a person has died, where they do not have the opportunity to respond and to go through the rigors of a trial to prove their innocence and that's exactly what's happened in this situation," Mr Te Aho said.

"I'm disappointed with the way the law is at the moment, that allows people to make outrageous statements untested after a person has died, where they do not have the opportunity to respond and to go through the rigors of a trial to prove their innocence and that's exactly what's happened in this situation," Jimmy Savilles spokesman said.

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Post  Freedom on Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:30 pm

I was thinking of cases like that, WB. 

While I don't think that there's any doubt that Jimmy Savile was a sexual predator, I do wonder if some of the stories have been made up.

The case in New Zealand sounds to me like a vindictive woman getting revenge on her husband.
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Post  Rosa canina on Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:10 pm

At least one young fellow has come forward, Freedom :

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/07/young-man-recalls-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-te-awanui-black.html


Mrs Black has given the police names of people she believes to also have been involved :

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362041/widow-of-awanui-black-gives-four-names-to-police


His funeral celebrations - like Sir Jimmy Savile's - were impressive :

https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/awanuiarangi-blacks-children-vow-continue-his-legacy-0

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Post  Freedom on Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:50 pm

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Post  candyfloss on Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:17 pm

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Post  Heisenburg on Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:10 pm

Part of the establishment, is it unexpected? the French had the right idea.
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Post  Rosa canina on Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:50 pm

More on the Awanui Black paedophile accusations :


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106039693/estranged-wifes-explosive-childsex-claims-against-awanui-black-and-friends-questioned

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His defensive brother's goatee beard marks him as a dubious person in my eyes...

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Somewhat countered by the freaky appearance of Mrs Black's spiritual advisor...!

(it's the eyebrows that get me)

A murky and complex story. The Facebook group with its televised hand signals intrigued me:

"The Facebook group was a private group of high-profile Māori men. He said it was used as a "hook-up" place where members could find sex with other consenting adults. The group also had hand gestures they would flash while on TV. The page no longer exists on Facebook."

P.S. Hand gestures...?

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Post  Freedom on Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:00 pm

Freedom wrote:
candyfloss wrote:I have just this minute been reading of this man's death, and it is truly awful and sad. 

This naming and shaming is getting out of control now.  Trial by media etc.  It should be done behind closed doors to the party and then police and only when it comes to a trial should the person be named.

People should take note everywhere, on twitter, on the forums etc.  it is not good to name and shame, it can lead to disastrous consequences, and of course did with the very sad death of Brenda Leyland.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/wife-found-wales-assembly-member-carl-sargeant-hanged-at-home-inquest-told/ar-BBEUBAL?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/welsh-politician-carl-sargeant-left-note-to-family-saying-%E2%80%98he%E2%80%99d-let-them-down-before-his-death-inquest-hears/ar-BBQ7Gvk
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Post  Freedom on Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:53 am

We must have mentioned "Nick" before - the person who accused various VIPs of historic abuse.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vip-paedophile-accuser-apos-nick-164536014.html?guccounter=1
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Post  poster on Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:07 pm

Widespread abuse over very many years. Still, look at the number of convictions...astonishing. What is the vetting process for people who work in care homes and residential centres for vulnerable young people? Why is it so deeply flawed?


https://sites.google.com/site/northwalesscandal/the-summary
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Post  Freedom on Wed May 15, 2019 4:47 pm

Freedom wrote:We must have mentioned "Nick" before - the person who accused various VIPs of historic abuse.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vip-paedophile-accuser-apos-nick-164536014.html?guccounter=1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48280492
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Post  Freedom on Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:23 pm

More on the Carl (Nick) Beech case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48705912
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Post  Freedom on Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:21 pm

See page 22 for when this sad case was first mentioned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48921005
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Post  Freedom on Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:15 pm

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Post  poster on Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:30 pm

Beech claimed the gang included the former prime minister Edward Heath, the ex-home secretary Leon Brittan, the former Tory MP Harvey Proctor, the D-day veteran Field Marshal Lord Bramall and the TV star Jimmy Savile. Others accused of abuse were the former head of MI6 Sir Maurice Oldfield, the late Labour peer Greville Janner and the ex-head of MI5 Sir Michael Hanley.

Well he was right on (at least?) one of them, wasn't he?
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Post  Freedom on Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:23 am

18 years for Carl Beech.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/carl-beech-trial-jail-sentence-vip-paedophile-ring-court-a9022311.html

A pity in my opinion that another serial liar, Hollie Greig's mother, has never been brought to justice.
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Post  Freedom on Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:17 pm

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Post  poster on Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:14 pm

Freedom wrote:18 years for Carl Beech.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/carl-beech-trial-jail-sentence-vip-paedophile-ring-court-a9022311.html

A pity in my opinion that another serial liar, Hollie Greig's mother, has never been brought to justice.

There's something fishy about this Carl Beech story. The sentence is disproportionately long for one thing. It's up to the police to establish whether allegations have any substance before spending millions on an investigation. Given that there have been red flags around some of the names for years, my initial reaction is that Beech is some kind of 'patsy' and/or an example is being set to ensure abuse victims keep their mouths shut.

In the Holly Greig case, the most likely explanation, imo, from what I have read is that she is the victim of paedophile abuse from a family member who was part of an organised paedophile ring.

And let us not forget that, according to Kate McCann and her family and friends, Madeleine was likely to have been abducted by a paedophile who could be part of a paedophile ring.

http://chrisspivey.org/harvey-proctor-the-dolphin-square-apartment-complex/

http://chrisspivey.org/nick-a-fuck-up-of-epic-proportions/
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