Re: Sir Clement Freud and links to the McCanns

**Freedom** Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:52 am

His friend Henry would have been useful here but he must be long gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilR3DEuvsGY

Not that you're old enough Andrew to remember these adverts at the time.

Poe Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:56 am

I wonder whether there was anyone else at Clement Freud's villa.

Kate gives the impression, but doesn't state explicitly, that he was there alone but from the way he lived his life, he strikes me as the kind of person who always needed companions to be his audience.

Guest Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

His family says he was in England "the night Madeleine disappeared".
But what about the days prior to "the night Madeleine disappeared"?
If we are correct, and Madeleine died prior to her "disappearance"... where was Sir CF then?
I still maintain that although he may not have been interested in very young children Madeleine's age... his holiday villa may have hosted guests who were.

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

Poe wrote:I wonder whether there was anyone else at Clement Freud's villa.

Kate gives the impression, but doesn't state explicitly, that he was there alone but from the way he lived his life, he strikes me as the kind of person who always needed companions to be his audience.

Where was his wife for starters....

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:09 am

Freedom wrote:His friend Henry would have been useful here but he must be long gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilR3DEuvsGY

Not that you're old enough Andrew to remember these adverts at the time.

Bit before my time - but did see a picture of that advert yesterday.

Remember thinking - one's a sloppy old dog and the other one is Henry.

If what he says is of course true about Cadaver dogs (as per Kate), then get one unleashed at his old gaff.

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:13 am

canada12 wrote:His family says he was in England "the night Madeleine disappeared".
But what about the days prior to "the night Madeleine disappeared"?
If we are correct, and Madeleine died prior to her "disappearance"... where was Sir CF then?
I still maintain that although he may not have been interested in very young children Madeleine's age... his holiday villa may have hosted guests who were.

A hard task for us mere forum members, but it would be good to have it verified the exact dates he was in PDL and England from say, end of April to end of September, 2007.

Bampots Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:16 am

I think the family wwould have vehmently denied the meeting had it not happened,they have just cancelled the summer party they hold and are accutely aware of the goings on of Freud and any implications of his actions......do we not think Kates book would have been combed by lible lawyers for any infornation that would compromise anyone? I think we can put this to bed ......they met!

Poe Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:19 am

The thing is, we don't know what the police know.

We do know that there was more than one team of dogs visited Portugal in 2014 and we only saw one of the teams searching wasteland. The fact that cameras were allowed so close to that search indicates that they weren't expecting to find a body but we know nothing of the locations that the second team searched - we didn't even know there was a second team at that point.

Just because this is the first we've heard, doesn't mean that Clement Freud and his villa haven't already been fully investigated. Operation Grange aren't giving a running commentary.

Popcorn Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:32 am

Having watched the programme yesterday evening, Madeleine does not fit the profile of Freud's victims (so far). His victims – of which three have come forward so far – have been pubescent or older. Of course, victims can vary and 'tastes' can evolve. However the programme did show that Freud preyed on girls who were easily accessible to him. I think in all three cases he knew their parents.
According to Kate, they did not meet Freud until after Madeleine disappeared. Freud's modus operandi does not seem to have been abducting the toddlers of total strangers from unguarded apartments.

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:34 am

Very true, poe. And where ever that 2nd (secret) team went would of been purposely significant.

Imo etc.

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:45 am

Bampots wrote:I think the family wwould have vehmently denied the meeting had it not happened,they have just cancelled the summer party they hold and are accutely aware of the goings on of Freud and any implications of his actions......do we not think Kates book would have been combed by lible lawyers for any infornation that would compromise anyone? I think we can put this to bed ......they met!

I think cancelling a summer party on the day / night of your late fathers seedy exposure is a totally different and separate issue to whether Clement wined and dined the McCanns, which has only really been verified in Kate's book. After his death.

I'm sure they probably did meet. But I just wanted to see some substantial proof of it. That's all.

And there doesn't appear to be any.

Bampots Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:02 am

My point was that at the moment they are keenly aware of the sins of the father .. . So why if they had not met, would they go to the length of stating he was not in Luz at the time of Maddie dissappearing when they simply could have said they hadnt met. Surely Freud would have mentioned meeting the two most talked about people on the planet...to his family if not to the media. Im struggling to see the direction you wish to go on Andrew....are you saying that in your mind they didnt meet?? What is your point?

unreorganised Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:08 am

Hope wrote:Just remembered reading that Freud did a monologue on a Wings album and was on the cover.

Heather Mills lost her self control on GMTV with Fiona Philipps and seemed to be threatening Paul about all she knew and defended Kate,very strange.

I will try and find more tomorrow.

Er... you do know where Paul popped the question to his first wife, yes?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/when-paul-brought-linda-to-our-house-paul-and-linda-special-silver-wedding-souvenir-issue-1428276.html

joyce1938 Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:12 am

Its obvios now that he did have a craze for girls ,not tiny ones though ,and don't forget this child has gone from the face of the earth ,I think we should be cautious about this subject as it stands .If anything it to find any old Patsy will do ,this was tried on more than one before remember? joyce1938.

unreorganised Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:14 am

Andrew wrote:
Hope wrote:I remember that as well Andrew, some posters think he appears on a McCann family photo, a side view,very hard to tell.

If memory serves - it was even suggested he was '10th Tapas' person. Although there's been a few different people mentioned for that role. Even Clarence himself.

Yes - remember the photo but wouldn't even know where to start looking for it nowadays.

Sir Clement Freud and links to the McCanns - Page 7 New_pi10

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:14 am

Bampots wrote:My point was that at the moment they are keenly aware of the sins of the father .. . So why if they had not met, would they go to the length of stating he was not in Luz at the time of Maddie dissappearing when they simply could have said they hadnt met. Surely Freud would have mentioned meeting the two most talked about people on the planet...to his family if not to the media. Im struggling to see the direction you wish to go on Andrew....are you saying that in your mind they didnt meet?? What is your point?

Yes you would think he would of done. But not seen anything to corroborate that. And that is really my only point about it.

Not trying to take it any direction. Just wanted to see some proof.

I don't know if they met. I'm sure they did.

As said before I don't believe anything that comes out of Kate's mouth hence the questioning behind it.

Apologies.

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:19 am

'Unrecognised'

Welcome and thanks for that. Just confusingly thought to myself then what's Madeleine doing in an Xmas 2007 video.

But anyway - yes it's a bit hard to make out in that pic whether it's DM or not.

Any thoughts yourself?

Bampots Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:20 am

No need for apologies Andrew the point i make is,do we think that if they had not met,given they said he was not there when Maddie dissappeared, they could just have said. . They never met! Simples....no study

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:39 am

Bampots wrote:No need for apologies Andrew the point i make is,do we think that if they had not met,given they said he was not there when Maddie dissappeared, they could just have said. . They never met! Simples....no

I think parts of Kate's book has been very carefully constructed (with advice) and certain things are in there for a reason.

Would the exact same story been told in the book if he was still alive do we think?

But as I say - I'm sure they did meet. Just no harm in questioning it a bit when it's Kate that's telling us the only story about it...

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643373/PICTURED-sinister-holiday-villa-paedophile-MP-Clement-Freud-hosted-McCanns-weeks-Madeleine-vanished.html

Well much better pictures of what looked a bit of shed in yesterday's article.

Poe Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:51 am

I think they met because the excitement in Kate's writing is palpable. She's there hobnobbing with a celebrity, eating and drinking things that are beyond the imagination of mere mortals.

Reading her descriptions of meeting Clement Freud, I have this song stuck in my head:

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:52 am

Although this bit doesn't make sense from above article:

The villa's current owner Andy Wright bought the property from the Freuds seven years before Sir Clement died. He said he had 'known the family for years'

Andrew Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:58 am

I missed the bit at the bottom of the article.

Briton Andy Wright bought the villa from the Freuds in 2002, but continued to rent it to Sir Clement.
Mr Wright told MailOnline: 'After I bought it, Sir Clement rented it from us several times for a week at a time. But I've known the family for years.
He continued: 'I knew all about the McCanns staying there because I read about it in Kate McCann's book.
'Before we bought it, I believe he had had it for some years. He just wanted to get out. He was getting old, you know. I don't know why he sold up, because I think he quite liked the area.'

.... So even the owner of the Villa only knew all about the McCanns staying there.. (staying there?), because he read it in Kate's book.

Good old Kate's book.

Bampots Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:06 am

And of course we cant confirm the existance of this......but article says......

He wrote them a letter, inviting them for lunch at the villa in July 2007.

'I have a house in P da L,' he wrote. 'Been ashamed of the intrusion into your lives by our media and if you would care to come to lunch/dinner at any time before Wednesday next, do ring and let me know. I cook decent meals.'

Kate later revealed: 'I'm embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax; more

So the Freud family will have a field day suing everyone if that claim is false!

Popcorn Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

So the current villa owner bought it from Freud seven years before Freud's death, but Freud managed to entertain the McCanns at the villa less than two years before he died? Oh - I just saw that he carried on renting it to Freud.

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