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Lest we forget ... Thank you, Candyfloss.
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I would love to hear Martin Grimes speak up now about it all.
He should write a book about Eddie and Keela.
He should write a book about Eddie and Keela.
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Since he was 'approached' at the airport has he ever spoken about this case? Other than his witness statement given to the PJ in May 2008 (his original verbal report being given shortly after the dog seaches in August 2007)?
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Dee Coy wrote:Since he was 'approached' at the airport has he ever spoken about this case? Other than his witness statement given to the PJ in May 2008 (his original verbal report being given shortly after the dog seaches in August 2007)?
I don't think he has Dee Coy. I certainly have not heard or seen anything by him in regards to this case since.
Would love to know details of the conversation when he got 'approached' after stepping off the plane.
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Well, at any rate, he's a Special Agent at the FBI right now. Good to know.
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Pick TV Freeview Channel 11 Right Now!!!
Martin Grime and Eddie and Keela at Haut De La Garenne.
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Resistor wrote:Martin Grime and Eddie and Keela at Haut De La Garenne.
Thanks. Have put it on, darn adverts now. Heard a few words about MBM and blood being found in PDL ......
West Yorkshire - 4th largest police force in the UK - have 74 highly trained dogs. Zeus one of the main police dogs - 7 years old - one of the best tracking dogs on the force apparently. Nothing gets past his amazing nose!!
The dogs are called "land sharks" as they work from the back and circle their prey.
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Link or a recorded version...
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Can't get it working on blower.
Will fire it up later.
Cheers.
Will fire it up later.
Cheers.
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The programme was a repeat from 2008, I thought I had seen it before as it went on, but it's good to be reminded about how clever these dogs are. They wouldn't be put under intense training and used otherwise, it would be a complete waste of time.
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They have made an entire series out of video footage of these "incredibly unreliable" dogs. Funny, that!
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I have one completely UNTRAINED dog, who barks when my housekeeper of 12 years arrives with another car then her own ... :-D
Oh, I could tell you stories about ALL of my [untrained] dogs. They've been doing miraculous things, Imagine, indeed, what they can do if trained for some specialisation.
Oh, I could tell you stories about ALL of my [untrained] dogs. They've been doing miraculous things, Imagine, indeed, what they can do if trained for some specialisation.
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I saw this programme a year or so ago. There is the briefest of mention of the dogs in PDL at 6.45 minutes with a comment that blood was found but "it only served to further deepen the mystery".
Then came a commercial break and there was no mention of the case afterwards.
Most bizarre.
Then came a commercial break and there was no mention of the case afterwards.
Most bizarre.
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This is the interesting video, full 1 hour 3 minutes.. showing full search by Eddie and Keela, and of the villa interior the McCanns rented after 5a..
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Sky on ervd dogs
http://news.sky.com/story/631789/mccann-dog-found-scent-of-death
05/09/2008
Images of a police sniffer dog yelping and barking during a search of the McCann's Algarve apartment after Madeleine went missing have emerged.
Portuguese detectives were convinced the animal's behaviour was proof that parents Gerry and Kate were involved in the disappearance of their daughter.
The footage, obtained by The Sun newspaper, shows two trained springer spaniels searching the Praia da Luz flat and the couple's rented car - 25 days after Madeleine went missing.
The dogs picked up the "scent of a dead body", an "aroma of blood in a cupboard" and a "smell of death" on Kate's clothes.
Former PC Martin Grimes, the British dog handler who conducted the search, told Portuguese officers the hounds could pick up the scent of very old blood.
During the video he told officers: "The crime scene dog has given me a positive indication.
"That indicates to me there is some human blood there - she will detect blood that is very old and find anybody's blood."
Despite these warnings Kate and Gerry McCann were made official suspects.
Police files released last month showed that all DNA evidence against the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, proved inconclusive.
They, and Robert Murat have now had their "arguido" status removed.
05/09/2008
Images of a police sniffer dog yelping and barking during a search of the McCann's Algarve apartment after Madeleine went missing have emerged.
Portuguese detectives were convinced the animal's behaviour was proof that parents Gerry and Kate were involved in the disappearance of their daughter.
The footage, obtained by The Sun newspaper, shows two trained springer spaniels searching the Praia da Luz flat and the couple's rented car - 25 days after Madeleine went missing.
The dogs picked up the "scent of a dead body", an "aroma of blood in a cupboard" and a "smell of death" on Kate's clothes.
Former PC Martin Grimes, the British dog handler who conducted the search, told Portuguese officers the hounds could pick up the scent of very old blood.
During the video he told officers: "The crime scene dog has given me a positive indication.
"That indicates to me there is some human blood there - she will detect blood that is very old and find anybody's blood."
Despite these warnings Kate and Gerry McCann were made official suspects.
Police files released last month showed that all DNA evidence against the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, proved inconclusive.
They, and Robert Murat have now had their "arguido" status removed.
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Oh Bampots you are a star. I have never liked anyone dissing the dogs in this case, they have proved to be so relevant and accurate in their findings. Cheers.
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Flattery gets you everything in my book Costello,just for you .....and CF! I have found this ,which links with the Sky story above(took me 1hr to find!!! Now don't tell me we already have it please.) pictures at site and copy of YouTube stuff. Like the bit at the end "...they are a tool to finding conclusive evidence..." They surely are!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/madeleine/1651651/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-wrongly-named-as-suspects-over-Maddie-disappearance-by-Portuguese-police-after-sniffer-dog-evidence.html
THESE were the scenes as two police sniffer dogs investigated the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann — and left her shell-shocked parents wrongly in the frame.
The hounds’ findings persuaded bungling Portuguese cops to name doctors Kate and Gerry as official suspects in the mystery.
video Maddie Cops On Wrong Scent thumbnail
Maddie Cops On Wrong Scent
Now video footage obtained by The Sun — and revealed for the first time today — lays bare the flimsy evidence used to build the case against them.
The 2½-hour film, shot on a police camcorder, chronicles the work of two specially-trained British sniffer dogs.
It details the moments when the springer spaniels apparently detected:
Barking ... the moment Maddie cops say dog made McCanns 'suspects'
Barking ... the moment Maddie cops
say dog made McCanns 'suspects'
The scent of a dead body in the McCanns’ rented Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after Maddie vanished shortly before her fourth birthday in May 2007
An aroma of blood in a bedroom cupboard in the family’s Praia da Luz holiday apartment, and
A smell of death on Kate’s clothes.
Dog handler and ex-PC Martin Grimes is seen working with the dogs, named Keela and Eddie, while Portuguese detectives look on.
He remarks on camera that Keela will detect “very old” blood. Yet local cops quickly leapt on the findings.
Shortly after the dogs were drafted in, police made Kate and Gerry, both 40, “arguidos” — official suspects.
Cleared
Although the couple, from Rothley, Leics, were eventually cleared, they went through ten months of added hell as they led the search for Maddie, who has still not been found.
Last night ex-Flying Squad commander John O’Connor said: “I find it absolutely appalling the detectives can treat the McCanns as official suspects on the back of such flimsy evidence.”
Agony ... Kate and Gerry McCann were named as official suspects over missing Maddie
Agony ... Kate and Gerry McCann were named
as official suspects over missing Maddie
The Sun’s never-before-seen footage gives the true picture of how the investigation was conducted.
It shows the dogs in the McCanns’ Algarve holiday home — apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia de Luz.
Eddie is first to be taken into the two-bed apartment and spends nearly 30 minutes sniffing around.
He barks twice — once in a bedroom and once at a spot behind a sofa underneath a living room window.
Martin says: “As soon as I came in the dog is very excited. From his body language it would appear he has picked up a scent that he recognises.
“There is enough scent there for him to give me a bark indication.”
After Eddie leaves the apartment, Martin takes in Keela. She can be seen freezing — a sign she has found something — underneath the window where Eddie had earlier barked.
Martin says on camera: “The crime scene dog has given me a positive indication. That indicates to me there is some human blood there. She will detect blood that is very old and find anybody’s blood.”
While Portuguese cops carried out DNA tests on “fluids” found in the flat, it has never been revealed if any blood was found.
Detectives also asked Martin to use his dogs on the McCanns’ hire car.
Missing ... Madeleine McCann
Missing ... Madeleine McCann
Eddie is seen barking at the driver’s door before standing still in the boot, then scrabbling in one corner.
Martin says: “We had a reaction from the dog. The scent is coming out of the sealed door.”
The dogs also sniffed items of clothing — and the film shows Eddie again picking up a scent on some of Kate’s.
The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children.
Martin and the spaniels are then taken round the apartment hired by the McCanns after Maddie vanished. No evidence is uncovered there.
Portuguese police used the findings as a basis for their theory that Maddie had died in the family’s apartment on the night she went missing.
The scent in the car convinced them the couple had hidden her body and later disposed of it, despite the world’s media watching their every movement.
Police files released last month showed that all DNA evidence against the McCanns had proved inconclusive.
Mr O’Connor, with more than 30 years’ police experience, last night blasted the “ridiculous” Portuguese probe.
He said: “This clearly shows they were clutching at straws. It seems to me they have used the dogs to reinforce their own prejudices.
“As far as I am concerned they suspected Kate and Gerry or their party of being involved from day one.
“They made up their mind so, when the dogs detected the scent, as far as they were concerned that was it.
“But the dogs found nothing that could be used as evidence in a court of law. They are a tool to finding conclusive evidence, nothing more.”
a.peake@the-sun.co.uk
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/madeleine/1651651/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-wrongly-named-as-suspects-over-Maddie-disappearance-by-Portuguese-police-after-sniffer-dog-evidence.html
THESE were the scenes as two police sniffer dogs investigated the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann — and left her shell-shocked parents wrongly in the frame.
The hounds’ findings persuaded bungling Portuguese cops to name doctors Kate and Gerry as official suspects in the mystery.
video Maddie Cops On Wrong Scent thumbnail
Maddie Cops On Wrong Scent
Now video footage obtained by The Sun — and revealed for the first time today — lays bare the flimsy evidence used to build the case against them.
The 2½-hour film, shot on a police camcorder, chronicles the work of two specially-trained British sniffer dogs.
It details the moments when the springer spaniels apparently detected:
Barking ... the moment Maddie cops say dog made McCanns 'suspects'
Barking ... the moment Maddie cops
say dog made McCanns 'suspects'
The scent of a dead body in the McCanns’ rented Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after Maddie vanished shortly before her fourth birthday in May 2007
An aroma of blood in a bedroom cupboard in the family’s Praia da Luz holiday apartment, and
A smell of death on Kate’s clothes.
Dog handler and ex-PC Martin Grimes is seen working with the dogs, named Keela and Eddie, while Portuguese detectives look on.
He remarks on camera that Keela will detect “very old” blood. Yet local cops quickly leapt on the findings.
Shortly after the dogs were drafted in, police made Kate and Gerry, both 40, “arguidos” — official suspects.
Cleared
Although the couple, from Rothley, Leics, were eventually cleared, they went through ten months of added hell as they led the search for Maddie, who has still not been found.
Last night ex-Flying Squad commander John O’Connor said: “I find it absolutely appalling the detectives can treat the McCanns as official suspects on the back of such flimsy evidence.”
Agony ... Kate and Gerry McCann were named as official suspects over missing Maddie
Agony ... Kate and Gerry McCann were named
as official suspects over missing Maddie
The Sun’s never-before-seen footage gives the true picture of how the investigation was conducted.
It shows the dogs in the McCanns’ Algarve holiday home — apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia de Luz.
Eddie is first to be taken into the two-bed apartment and spends nearly 30 minutes sniffing around.
He barks twice — once in a bedroom and once at a spot behind a sofa underneath a living room window.
Martin says: “As soon as I came in the dog is very excited. From his body language it would appear he has picked up a scent that he recognises.
“There is enough scent there for him to give me a bark indication.”
After Eddie leaves the apartment, Martin takes in Keela. She can be seen freezing — a sign she has found something — underneath the window where Eddie had earlier barked.
Martin says on camera: “The crime scene dog has given me a positive indication. That indicates to me there is some human blood there. She will detect blood that is very old and find anybody’s blood.”
While Portuguese cops carried out DNA tests on “fluids” found in the flat, it has never been revealed if any blood was found.
Detectives also asked Martin to use his dogs on the McCanns’ hire car.
Missing ... Madeleine McCann
Missing ... Madeleine McCann
Eddie is seen barking at the driver’s door before standing still in the boot, then scrabbling in one corner.
Martin says: “We had a reaction from the dog. The scent is coming out of the sealed door.”
The dogs also sniffed items of clothing — and the film shows Eddie again picking up a scent on some of Kate’s.
The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children.
Martin and the spaniels are then taken round the apartment hired by the McCanns after Maddie vanished. No evidence is uncovered there.
Portuguese police used the findings as a basis for their theory that Maddie had died in the family’s apartment on the night she went missing.
The scent in the car convinced them the couple had hidden her body and later disposed of it, despite the world’s media watching their every movement.
Police files released last month showed that all DNA evidence against the McCanns had proved inconclusive.
Mr O’Connor, with more than 30 years’ police experience, last night blasted the “ridiculous” Portuguese probe.
He said: “This clearly shows they were clutching at straws. It seems to me they have used the dogs to reinforce their own prejudices.
“As far as I am concerned they suspected Kate and Gerry or their party of being involved from day one.
“They made up their mind so, when the dogs detected the scent, as far as they were concerned that was it.
“But the dogs found nothing that could be used as evidence in a court of law. They are a tool to finding conclusive evidence, nothing more.”
a.peake@the-sun.co.uk
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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/top-dog-team-used-to-help-gardai-sniff-out-clues-26360760.html
The dogs were brought to Waterford to help gardai with their probe into the murder of Meg Walsh (35) on October 1. The animals recently helped the FBI track down a multiple murderer in Nashville, Tennessee.
The four dogs include the spaniel, Keela, the only known animal in the world capable of detecting and following a human blood-scent.
British police inspector Mark Harrison, of the National Centre for Police Excellence (NCPE), said the hounds had been used in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells (10) and Jessica Chapman (10) in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in August 2002.
The dogs ultimately helped bring 29-year-old school caretaker Ian Huntley to justice.
"The dogs that we have here include two from South Yorkshire Police and one of those is the only one in the world trained to detect human blood," said Insp Harrison. "The other is a victim recovery dog and helps us find human remains."
"The other two dogs are specially trained to follow a specific scent, an individual scent," he added.
Mr Harrison said that the dog unit was deployed in Waterford after gardai there had asked for "special assistance" in relation to the case of Margaret Walsh.
The British dog teams were yesterday working on multiple sites around Waterford, including Ms Walsh's Ballinakill home. "These dogs assist us in what we call investigative intelligence - they help us to piece together the jigsaw of the sequence of events that may have happened in this case," said Inspector Harris.
"In addition to that they look for hard and physical evidence. By way of example, the human blood dog can detect blood that is not visible to the human eye."
Insp Harrison added that the team were pleased with their work to date in Waterford. "We have detected quite a few things of interest of intelligence and we will continue to do that," he said. "The picture at the moment is quite incomplete and we will be working with the Garda detectives in hopefully completing the sequence of events."
The skilled team have also helped deliver crucial breakthroughs in previous cases such as the horrific murder of Attracta Harron in Northern Ireland.
It is expected the British dog team will conclude their work on the Meg Walsh case today but they will be available for longer
The dogs were brought to Waterford to help gardai with their probe into the murder of Meg Walsh (35) on October 1. The animals recently helped the FBI track down a multiple murderer in Nashville, Tennessee.
The four dogs include the spaniel, Keela, the only known animal in the world capable of detecting and following a human blood-scent.
British police inspector Mark Harrison, of the National Centre for Police Excellence (NCPE), said the hounds had been used in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells (10) and Jessica Chapman (10) in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in August 2002.
The dogs ultimately helped bring 29-year-old school caretaker Ian Huntley to justice.
"The dogs that we have here include two from South Yorkshire Police and one of those is the only one in the world trained to detect human blood," said Insp Harrison. "The other is a victim recovery dog and helps us find human remains."
"The other two dogs are specially trained to follow a specific scent, an individual scent," he added.
Mr Harrison said that the dog unit was deployed in Waterford after gardai there had asked for "special assistance" in relation to the case of Margaret Walsh.
The British dog teams were yesterday working on multiple sites around Waterford, including Ms Walsh's Ballinakill home. "These dogs assist us in what we call investigative intelligence - they help us to piece together the jigsaw of the sequence of events that may have happened in this case," said Inspector Harris.
"In addition to that they look for hard and physical evidence. By way of example, the human blood dog can detect blood that is not visible to the human eye."
Insp Harrison added that the team were pleased with their work to date in Waterford. "We have detected quite a few things of interest of intelligence and we will continue to do that," he said. "The picture at the moment is quite incomplete and we will be working with the Garda detectives in hopefully completing the sequence of events."
The skilled team have also helped deliver crucial breakthroughs in previous cases such as the horrific murder of Attracta Harron in Northern Ireland.
It is expected the British dog team will conclude their work on the Meg Walsh case today but they will be available for longer
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Great find Bampots, really interesting. I didn't know this before:
'Keela- the only known animal in the world capable of detecting and following a human blood scent'.
'Keela- the only known animal in the world capable of detecting and following a human blood scent'.
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