Re: Child Abuse in Football

**Freedom** Thu 01 Dec 2016, 4:31 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38172940#"

"Hundreds report football child abuse to police".

bluebell Thu 01 Dec 2016, 5:11 pm

Freedom wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38172940#"

"Hundreds report football child abuse to police".

I may be quite out of order here, but I would not be at all surprised to hear of further child abuse in sport.

There are the obvious swimming, gymnastics etc where very young children begin training early on. There have even been reports of child abusers in pre-schools Crying or Very sad

It seems unbelievable that so many youngsters suffer such abuse and don't tell anyone. What can we do.

Châtelaine Thu 01 Dec 2016, 5:38 pm

Lock them up.
There's too much of pussy-footing ...

chirpyinsect Thu 01 Dec 2016, 6:02 pm

Sadly it seems to be embedded in all areas of life nowadays from sport to childrens homes to the music and film world to schools etc.
We need to encourage people who have been subjected to such trauma to come forward. We need to educate everyone that the blame never lies with the victim. We need to discourage every instance of stigmatisation we see by supporting the recipient and never encouraging bullying behaviour. We need to toughen up on the perps and we, sadly, have to be ever vigilant for our children and grandchildren.
Gone are the days when we were afraid to be wary of those who would be in charge of our children. We no longer need to doff our caps to teachers, doctors or priests. Our children are too precious to be afraid to show our concerns.
I once took my daughter of 3 years to the doctor for some reason. He asked me to leave the room whilst he examined her. Like a fool I went but within seconds I burst back in, insisting on staying. He was furious and told me to step outside so grabbed her hand and left. I was too in awe of the doctors to report it.
I can't think of a single reason he would want me to leave the room other than unsavoury ones and I shudder to think of it now 30 years later.

Andrew Fri 02 Dec 2016, 10:44 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/12/01/athletics-dragged-sexual-abuse-scandal-amid-cover-up-claim/

Athletics has been dragged into the paedophile coach scandal amid accusations of a 10-year “cover-up” of sexual abuse by one of its leading lights.

Heisenburg Fri 02 Dec 2016, 11:16 am

What is it with this country and abuse,first lets start with Saville,Hall,Harris etc then all manner of politicians it seems now its on to sports are we really such a nation of abusers or is it world wide but unreported?

unreorganised Fri 02 Dec 2016, 11:24 am

Heisenburg wrote:What is it with this country and abuse,first lets start with Saville,Hall,Harris etc then all manner of politicians it seems now its on to sports are we really such a nation of abusers or is it world wide but unreported?

We've traditionally been a very institutionalised country and I'm sure that's a big part of it. However it doesn't just confine itself to sexual abuse, nor just to children. Doubtless millions of people suffer all sorts of indignities on an almost daily basis due to a perceived low status in society.

Andrew Fri 02 Dec 2016, 11:34 am

Heisenburg wrote:What is it with this country and abuse,first lets start with Saville,Hall,Harris etc then all manner of politicians it seems now its on to sports are we really such a nation of abusers or is it world wide but unreported?

It's absolutely shocking.

I must say I've played football most of my life since a nipper and even coached it but never have I have encountered anything like that.

I did used to go to Cubs though in a neighbouring (very affluent as well) village. Me and few friends used to get up to some mischief. Anyway we all got pulled from it by our parents. I found out about 25 years later that 'Akela' was rumoured to be a Pedophile (later rumours he got convicted but never found anything to confirm) and that's why we were taken off it.

Nothing happened to me but makes me sick that there could've been intent there.

froggy Fri 02 Dec 2016, 2:45 pm

Heisenburg wrote:What is it with this country and abuse,first lets start with Saville,Hall,Harris etc then all manner of politicians it seems now its on to sports are we really such a nation of abusers or is it world wide but unreported?

I imagine it is world wide. This country's media is obsessed with abuse, particularly child abuse and so we hear so much about it.

I'm just waiting for the cubs and scout to be exposed as a den of child abuse.

bluebell Fri 02 Dec 2016, 4:02 pm

I wouldn't say 'obsessed'. These guys from football who mentioned it were middle aged, now that gives strength and confidence to others to speak out. It must be made public as a form of preventative if nothing else.

Paedophiles will always attempt to be involved with children wherever they can. In nurseries, preschools, clubs, sport - and the church.
It is a dark secret society.

Andrew Sat 03 Dec 2016, 9:36 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3996464/We-knew-pervert-Chelsea-legend-Alan-Hudson-says-common-knowledge-young-players-abused-ex-chief-scout-Eddie-Heath-club.html

unreorganised Sat 03 Dec 2016, 10:25 am

I used to read The Independent back when it wasn't embarrassing to admit it. Around the time of some previous paedogeddon scandal I recall Howard Jacobson remarking in his column something along the lines of "It was all so much more innocent in my schooldays. We didn't have to wonder if our PE teacher might be a pervert. Of course he was a pervert - he was a PE teacher!"

**Freedom** Sat 03 Dec 2016, 10:32 am

They were certainly sadistic creatures in my schooldays but, as far as I know, not paedos!

However, I was shocked to learn on a Facebook group for my old school, that a foreign language teacher whom I'd respected was known to be a child molester (boys not girls) and later spent time in prison for offences against pupils at another school.

I never heard a whisper about him when I was at the school; it just wasn't something that was talked about then.

Andrew Sun 04 Dec 2016, 12:17 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3998488/Football-coaches-paedophile-ring-passed-details-boys-abused-says-ex-Leeds-star-saw-youngster-raped.html

Heisenburg Sun 04 Dec 2016, 4:07 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3998690/Silenced-BBC-news-presenter-forced-air-Chelsea-security-guard-reports-historic-sexual-abuse-allegations-against-club.html

Silenced: BBC news presenter is forced off the air by a Chelsea security guard as she reports on historic sexual abuse allegations against the club

Sophie Long was filming bulletin on abuse claims outside Stamford Bridge
Guard walked on camera and said she had to leave the 'private property'
Long was reporting on club's £50,000 payout to ex-player Gary Johnson
Johnson claims he was abused by former scout Eddie Heath during 1970s

AndyB Sun 04 Dec 2016, 6:50 pm

First Z list celebrities & has-been DJs, now it's football and athletics. It's all distraction. When are we going to start on the REAL problem - MPs, civil servants, senior police & judges?

chirpyinsect Sun 04 Dec 2016, 6:59 pm

AndyB wrote:First Z list celebrities & has-been DJs, now it's football and athletics. It's all distraction. When are we going to start on the REAL problem - MPs, civil servants, senior police & judges?

Distraction....maybe but still very real to the victims. I see what you mean in that it could be seen as a smokescreen to take the heat off the establishment but the deeper you dig the murkier it gets in many areas.

AndyB Sun 04 Dec 2016, 9:26 pm

Yes. Sorry, I wasnt trying to diminish the suffering of the sports people that I absolutely believe were abused. But I do think that paedo central lies at the heart of the state not in sports grounds or scout huts (despite people undoubtedly being abused there)

unreorganised Sun 04 Dec 2016, 10:12 pm

Heisenburg wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3998690/Silenced-BBC-news-presenter-forced-air-Chelsea-security-guard-reports-historic-sexual-abuse-allegations-against-club.html

Silenced: BBC news presenter is forced off the air by a Chelsea security guard as she reports on historic sexual abuse allegations against the club

Sophie Long was filming bulletin on abuse claims outside Stamford Bridge
Guard walked on camera and said she had to leave the 'private property'
Long was reporting on club's £50,000 payout to ex-player Gary Johnson
Johnson claims he was abused by former scout Eddie Heath during 1970s

It concerns me a bit that Chelsea just paid out like that.

Andrew Mon 05 Dec 2016, 2:04 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4000076/Decorated-football-coach-linked-abuse-two-clubs-Dario-Gradi-worked-Chelsea-Crewe-pressure-explain-knew.html

Andrew Mon 05 Dec 2016, 2:09 pm

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10684323/abuse-victims-launch-trust-to-fight-for-justice

Snipped:

The trust will be supported by Prosperity Law, a Manchester-based firm that specialises in child abuse.

http://www.prosperitylaw.com/team/edward-smethurst/

Andrew Mon 05 Dec 2016, 2:20 pm

From a few days ago:

https://www.channel4.com/news/football-abuse-southampton-linked-to-scandal

Snipped:

The firm’s managing partner Edward Smethurst is the Chairman of The No Stone Left Unturned Madeleine Foundation which relates to assisting Madeleine McCann and her parents.
The firm said the Trust will be independent of the FA and PFA and the aim of the Trust is to represent the players in an independent and transparent manner.

... Transparent? Just like the dodgy McCann company.

I can't believe i'm reading this.

Andrew Mon 05 Dec 2016, 3:45 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-league-warned-clubs-coach-9396160

Andrew Tue 06 Dec 2016, 8:46 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006806/Matt-Le-Tissier-says-naked-massage-hands-Southampton-FC-alleged-abuser-Bob-Higgins.html

Andrew Wed 07 Dec 2016, 8:21 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4008404/There-t-remember-Paedophile-former-Celtic-coach-71-admits-waging-20-year-campaign-sexual-abuse-against-young-players-cleanse-soul.html

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