Re: General Election Discussion - before and after the event

Bampots Thu 01 Jun 2017, 6:29 pm

You really should be out on the electioneering trail Wimslow. At least i would be if i felt like you.....may be the plan was always to install Theresa...a sure winner compared to Corbyn! Then she blows the election and we remain in europe by default.....no second vote required. It certainly looks that way sometimes??

Heisenburg Thu 01 Jun 2017, 7:15 pm

I somehow think you are not too far wrong there.
Just watching Farron on the beeb with A Neil what a waste of space Farron is.

Mimi Thu 01 Jun 2017, 7:56 pm

@Winslow Boy - it would be fantastic if we detached ourselves politically from America - this does not mean we can`t still trade with them. I believe JC is wise to recognise the damage that America and NATO has caused in the world. Look what they are doing to Russia pressing right up against it`s borders?

And there is no need to exaggerate the meetings with the IRA - just like the media do. JC has repeatedly said that violence is not to be tolerated - we all know he is a peace loving man. But, as with the historians, he can see both sides of the problems in Northern Ireland and how a Catholic country was invaded by Protestants after the Reformation. He understands why the Republicans are embittered. This is much like the Israelis being dumped in Palestine, knowing they would not get on.

It is a good man that can see both sides of a disagreement. There is always a reason people get violent and it`s usually because they have been screwed - and it`s usually the USA and the UK that do the screwing.

Corbyn is a good bloke - but IMO he is too good - welcoming foreigners with open arms etc. You need to be devious and nasty to lead a country - shame, but that`s how it is these days.

**candyfloss** Thu 01 Jun 2017, 8:26 pm

Interesting - I didn't know Amber Rudd's company went bust and owed millions.. affraid

Tory Home Secretary Amber Rudd involved in string of firms that went bust and owed millions

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-home-secretary-amber-rudds-8972936

**candyfloss** Thu 01 Jun 2017, 8:27 pm

A new blog from Cristobell on the election campaign..........

Cristobell Author‏ @RosalindaHu

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NO DEAL MEANS I SCREWED UP
#BattleForNumberTen

Winslow Boy Thu 01 Jun 2017, 9:03 pm

Heisenburg wrote:
Bampots wrote:You really should be out on the electioneering trail Wimslow. At least i would be if i felt like you.....may be the plan was always to install Theresa...a sure winner compared to Corbyn! Then she blows the election and we remain in europe by default.....no second vote required. It certainly looks that way sometimes??

I somehow think you are not too far wrong there.
Just watching Farron on the beeb with A Neil what a waste of space Farron is.

I would have to agree with you Bampots. Why didn't they just make up a manifesto like Labours, she would have walked it. But I would still trust her with the financial and Brexit team over Corbyn's incompetent pie in the sky Manifesto. Labour will increase influx, get the worst deal from EU. See how they treated the chap who served his Country ( Full Version),that's what they think of OUR ARMED FORCES if he had been from a terrorist group he would have invited him to the Houses of Parliament. The newspapers and internet will be more censored than they were before.
Corbyn and Abbott celebrate most things Anti- Britain, and as expected clueless about the cost of the Manifesto.They're not bothered with the cost because it's all going to come from borrowing from the EU. Trident will go. 10,000 community policemen, child care,pensions never going to happen under labour. All the money will go to new houses, benefits to look after the massive tidal wave of immigrants.I can't believe the British public are buying this twaddle.

Winslow Boy Thu 01 Jun 2017, 9:33 pm

Mimi wrote:@Winslow Boy - it would be fantastic if we detached ourselves politically from America - this does not mean we can`t still trade with them. I believe JC is wise to recognise the damage that America and NATO has caused in the world. Look what they are doing to Russia pressing right up against it`s borders?

And there is no need to exaggerate the meetings with the IRA - just like the media do. JC has repeatedly said that violence is not to be tolerated - we all know he is a peace loving man. But, as with the historians, he can see both sides of the problems in Northern Ireland and how a Catholic country was invaded by Protestants after the Reformation. He understands why the Republicans are embittered. This is much like the Israelis being dumped in Palestine, knowing they would not get on.

It is a good man that can see both sides of a disagreement. There is always a reason people get violent and it`s usually because they have been screwed - and it`s usually the USA and the UK that do the screwing.

Corbyn is a good bloke - but IMO he is too good - welcoming foreigners with open arms etc. You need to be devious and nasty to lead a country - shame, but that`s how it is these days.

This is much like the Israelis being dumped in Palestine, knowing they would not get on.

But he wants to bring more refugees into this Country,knowing that terrorists want to kill the infidels.Disagree with this and once again we will all be called Racists. Innocent Men,women, children being slaughtered not because of our Foreign Policies but because they follow a Religion that they believe compels them to do it.

Mimi Thu 01 Jun 2017, 10:43 pm

@ Winslow Boy - has he actually said he wants us to take more refugees ? It wouldn`t surprise me.

All very nice and kind but he`s not acknowledging there are dangerous people amongst them. Would he mind being over-run with foreigners ? I don`t think he would - he only seems to see good in everyone. He is also not acknowledging that so many towns in the UK have muslim areas only - I know it`s no big deal to have certain areas housing conclaves of one religion, but in the case of muslims they are antagonistic and don`t allow infidels in - not so with hindus, buddhists, jamaicans, africans, jews. We cannot have that.

Jeremy has not cottoned on to the fact that there is something strong in human nature that will not tolerate another culture taking over - yes, one or two is nice but not millions, especially ones with such a radically different culture to our own.

PS As you can see I am torn about who to vote for. I had considered just lending my vote to the Tories just to get us out of the EU successfully, but it makes me sick thinking I will put a cross by my local Tory`s name. I just can`t do it. Perhaps I`ll just go for UKIP.

Winslow Boy Thu 01 Jun 2017, 11:07 pm

Labour Manifesto built on what he thinks the people will vote for.
Corbyn and Abbot will not put numbers on influx, because they are going to increase it.Abbott confirms this as she has said if the economy needs to.So he wont be doing that.
Corbyn denied meeting with IRA, another lie.
Trident, says he will continue with it.there will be a review when/if he gets in. He will shut it down, leaving us with no protection if the Koreans or anybody else wants to attack.

Trident to protect our country

Winslow Boy Fri 02 Jun 2017, 9:41 am

Winslow Boy wrote:Labour Manifesto built on what he thinks the people will vote for.
Corbyn and Abbot will not put numbers on influx, because they are going to increase it.Abbott confirms this as she has said if the economy needs to.So he wont be doing that.
Corbyn denied meeting with IRA, another lie.
Trident, says he will continue with it.there will be a review when/if he gets in. He will shut it down, leaving us with no protection if the Koreans or anybody else wants to attack.

Trident to protect our country

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13935p175-general-election-thursday-8-june-2017-how-will-you-vote-poll-added#368822

Mimi Fri 02 Jun 2017, 11:24 am

@ Winslow Boy - I totally agree with his views on Trident - we must progress towards nuclear disarmament at the least.

Also why are people making a big thing of him talking or liaising with the IRA ? He wanted a peace plan didn`t he - and that`s what one does - surely that`s a good thing. Besides, he has said he abhors the atrocities committed by the IRA - a peace loving man would. And putting aside the violence of both the IRA and the Proddies/MI5/RUC., just think who was first to invade the country and cause disruption to what was a catholic country. You have to see both sides - which is what Corbyn does.

I don`t think I`ll be voting for him though - nor Theresa.

What's_up_doc? Fri 02 Jun 2017, 11:25 am

Heisenburg wrote:I somehow think you are not too far wrong there.
Just watching Farron on the beeb with A Neil what a waste of space Farron is.

General Election Discussion - before and after the event - Page 10 Th_810

Winslow Boy Fri 02 Jun 2017, 12:33 pm

Mimi wrote:@ Winslow Boy - I totally agree with his views on Trident - we must progress towards nuclear disarmament at the least.

Also why are people making a big thing of him talking or liaising with the IRA ? He wanted a peace plan didn`t he - and that`s what one does - surely that`s a good thing. Besides, he has said he abhors the atrocities committed by the IRA - a peace loving man would. And putting aside the violence of both the IRA and the Proddies/MI5/RUC., just think who was first to invade the country and cause disruption to what was a catholic country. You have to see both sides - which is what Corbyn does.

I don`t think I`ll be voting for him though - nor Theresa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKb9jo4QoI

Châtelaine Fri 02 Jun 2017, 12:44 pm

I had to silence the sound, as I speak German too ...
It's not the first time, this clip has been used with subtitles to underline difficulties of all kinds.
So, it's elections and Brexit now ;-)

If there's anything to really worry about, I'd say: Trump cancelling the Paris accord on climate :-(

**candyfloss** Fri 02 Jun 2017, 1:35 pm

No wonder the Tories want to scrap the serious Fraud Office.........

Tory candidate Craig Mackinlay charged over election expenses

Craig Mackinlay, Nathan Gray, and Marion Little have been charged with offences under the Representation of the People Act 1983.

https://www.channel4.com/news/tory-candidate-craig-mackinlay-charged-over-election-expenses

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Winslow Boy Fri 02 Jun 2017, 1:51 pm

Winslow Boy wrote:
Mimi wrote:@ Winslow Boy - I totally agree with his views on Trident - we must progress towards nuclear disarmament at the least.

Also why are people making a big thing of him talking or liaising with the IRA ? He wanted a peace plan didn`t he - and that`s what one does - surely that`s a good thing. Besides, he has said he abhors the atrocities committed by the IRA - a peace loving man would. And putting aside the violence of both the IRA and the Proddies/MI5/RUC., just think who was first to invade the country and cause disruption to what was a catholic country. You have to see both sides - which is what Corbyn does.

I don`t think I`ll be voting for him though - nor Theresa.

Corbyn doesn't take both sides. He always takes the terrorist side- Hamas,Sinn Fein, IRA, all friends of his. Denied meeting with the Ira and then said he was working for the peace process. Lie and lie, twisting and turning. Celebrated the IRA the people bombing Innocent Men, Women and Children. And now we have someone else bombing Innocent Men,Women and Children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lqgTa2KVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvca2SEvqo Condemns British Troops but won't condemn IRA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRmhf9Wm3wk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RClRYAS55yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGj1PheWiFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKb9jo4QoI

Mimi Fri 02 Jun 2017, 2:13 pm

Winslow Boy wrote:
Winslow Boy wrote:
Mimi wrote:@ Winslow Boy - I totally agree with his views on Trident - we must progress towards nuclear disarmament at the least.

Also why are people making a big thing of him talking or liaising with the IRA ? He wanted a peace plan didn`t he - and that`s what one does - surely that`s a good thing. Besides, he has said he abhors the atrocities committed by the IRA - a peace loving man would. And putting aside the violence of both the IRA and the Proddies/MI5/RUC., just think who was first to invade the country and cause disruption to what was a catholic country. You have to see both sides - which is what Corbyn does.

I don`t think I`ll be voting for him though - nor Theresa.

Corbyn doesn't take both sides. He always takes the terrorist side- Hamas,Sinn Fein, IRA, all friends of his. Denied meeting with the Ira and then said he was working for the peace process. Lie and lie, twisting and turning. Celebrated the IRA the people bombing Innocent Men, Women and Children. And now we have someone else bombing Innocent Men,Women and Children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lqgTa2KVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RClRYAS55yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGj1PheWiFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKb9jo4QoI

A terrorist to you can be a defender to others. Just like bad to one is good to another - it all depends on one`s perspective. I notice you didn`t include Mossad.

I didn`t say Corbyn took both sides - I said he understands both sides. Big difference.

You`re being ridiculous now - since when has it progressed to `Celebrated the IRA the people bombing innocent men, women and children` when Corbyn has denounced violence. You`re now making up stuff and should be a journalist for the Sun newspaper.

**candyfloss** Fri 02 Jun 2017, 2:14 pm

Theresa May going very easy on Donald Trump, how sweet!!

Labour and Lib Dems angry that May did not sign G7 letter

BBC News Channel

Posted at
11:19

Theresa May's decision not to join other G7 European leaders in signing a letter criticising the US withdrawal from the Paris climate deal has provoked "particular anger" from opposition parties, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.

In a phone call, Mrs May told US President Donald Trump of her "disappointment" with his decision and said the UK remained committed to the deal, according to a Downing Street statement.

But "her opponents are saying that is not good enough" and it shows "a marked reluctance to publicly cross swords with Donald Trump", Norman says.

Earlier, Lib Dem candidate and former energy and climate change secretary Sir Ed Davey said the prime minister's "voice would have been a lot stronger if it had been united with other countries".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-40120249

It also seems she still won't face Jeremy Corbyn tonight on Qustion Time although both are on the programme................

Tom Bateman
✔ ‎@tombateman

Jeremy corbyn calls for Theresa May to debate with him directly during tonight's #bbcqt #election2017

12:03 PM - 2 Jun 2017

Mimi Fri 02 Jun 2017, 2:18 pm

OMG - why does this country have to kowtow to America.

Châtelaine Fri 02 Jun 2017, 2:45 pm

Like ... don't try to escalate?

Winslow Boy Fri 02 Jun 2017, 3:41 pm

Mimi wrote: A terrorist to you can be a defender to others. Just like bad to one is good to another - it all depends on one`s perspective. I notice you didn`t include Mossad.

I didn`t say Corbyn took both sides - I said he understands both sides. Big difference.

You`re being ridiculous now - since when has it progressed to `Celebrated the IRA the people bombing innocent men, women and children` when Corbyn has denounced violence. You`re now making up stuff and should be a journalist for the Sun newspaper.

I think it is unfortunate that because I don't agree with you, you try to dismiss me by saying that I am ridiculous,make things up, and read the Sun. I respect your thoughts and do not attack you when I disagree with them, please afford me the same courtesy.

Not making anything up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbX05MJb0c His terrorist friends who kill Jews because of their religious beliefs. Doesn't denounce these sort of people asks them in for tea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72VBOYFoWzU Future Prime Minister back pedalling as he did with the IRA Friends
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The EdBaron1 week ago
Corbyn's a pacifist - unless it's terror groups fighting for 'freedom'. IRA/Hamas/Hezbollah etc. He's still the same deranged old Lefty. Anyone voting for this tool, should be either sectioned or imprisoned for endangering the country.

Mimi Fri 02 Jun 2017, 9:05 pm

@Winslow Boy - I didn`t say you read the Sun - I said you should be a Sun journalist. I wouldn`t dismiss you as a person, but I`m just disagreeing with your ideas that you can`t have tea with a member of the IRA or Hamas - why ever not? and I really cannot take seriously what you say about JC having friends that kill Jews. I`m assuming you mean he`s got Palestinian friends - well so have plenty of people - so what. I just think you are making something out of nothing.

PS - I notice that your signature says `let right be done` - can I ask whose right you mean ?

Winslow Boy Fri 02 Jun 2017, 11:34 pm

http://www.classicfilmtvcafe.com/2013/02/fabulous-films-of-1940s-blogathon-let.html

Worth watching.

**candyfloss** Sat 03 Jun 2017, 3:19 pm

Anyone see the debate last night on BBC... what did you make of it.

I thought Jeremy Corbyn did very well and had a lot of applause apart from the one blip about trident and pressing that red button. I happen to agree with him - you do not resort to it at any cost, unless every other avenue has been explored and used. The woman at the end of that piece spoke well asking why everyone was intent on killing and injuring millions of people.

Theresa May did better this time round, although she too had some awkward moments, particularly with the nurse who asked the question and the social care question.

This morning there is a poll asking about Theresa May approval rating is going down rapidly...

General election poll: Theresa May's approval ratings plummet as majority of people dissatisfied with her leadership

The findings suggest 50 per cent of people are dissatisfied with the prime minister, while only 43 per cent are satisfied

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-poll-latest-theresa-may-approval-ratings-2017-drop-majority-leadership-survey-a7769361.html

bluebell Sat 03 Jun 2017, 4:05 pm

Difficult to judge the outcome at the moment I think. General Election 2017 Latest Ipsos MORI Poll Shows Labour Narrow Conservative’s Lead To Five Points affraid

From previous polls we know they can be way out, but this is going to be a very interesting election it seems and certainly not the
overriding majority as thought when it was announced.
As I voted STAY in the referendum I am prepared for disappointment at next Thursday's results though.

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